Krisis1451 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Fantastic Gameplay, but screwed up storyline >SNIP<Please don't post spoilers, it ruins it for others. So please use a little common sense. Buddah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michlo Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Fantastic Gameplay, but screwed up storyline Did you even bother to think of others before posting a spoiler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscripted Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Fantastic Gameplay, but screwed up storyline I get this odd feeling that this topic will either be deleted or moved to the Fallout Spoilers section. So I will post this in spoiler tags for the time being. I don't understand what their entire problem is. I've been trained on the Reverse Osmosis Water Purification Unit (ROWPU), and one of the mechanisms that it includes is a radiation filter. A single ROWPU can clean hundreds of gallons of muddy, infected, oily water into crystal clear drinking water a day (12GPM from a salt water source, for example). Getting your hands on non-radiated potable drinking water shouldn't be a problem for anyone with access to the proper pre-war equipment (the BOS come to mind). More than enough drinking water for entire towns, these machines were designed for entire armies! Which is my little annoyance with that part of the story line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seviche Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I get this odd feeling that this topic will either be deleted or moved to the Fallout Spoilers section. So I will post this in spoiler tags for the time being. I don't understand what their entire problem is. I've been trained on the Reverse Osmosis Water Purification Unit (ROWPU), and one of the mechanisms that it includes is a radiation filter. A single ROWPU can clean hundreds of gallons of muddy, infected, oily water into crystal clear drinking water a day (12GPM from a salt water source, for example). Getting your hands on non-radiated potable drinking water shouldn't be a problem for anyone with access to the proper pre-war equipment (the BOS come to mind). More than enough drinking water for entire towns, these machines were designed for entire armies! Which is my little annoyance with that part of the story line.Look at it this way, the BOS is interested in High-Tech items. A simple water purifier isn't high tech enough. Then again, there's only 90 million (estimated) copies of The Big Book of Science and Dean's Electronics around, so it seems that everybody missed the boat on that one. Then again, maybe only vault dwellers are affected by the radiation. For that matter, if you can frikkin' haul multiple INTACT aircraft fuselage miles to build a town on stilts with 50' walls, I think you can use the same crane you built the town with to get the bomb out of the center of town. Just my 2 pence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikekearn Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 For that matter, if you can frikkin' haul multiple INTACT aircraft fuselage miles to build a town on stilts with 50' walls, I think you can use the same crane you built the town with to get the bomb out of the center of town. Just my 2 pence.Talk to everyone in the town. They explain how the only way they were able to make the town is with help from the Children of Atom. As those crazies worship the bomb, there is no way in hell they'd help if you were planning on removing the damn thing before you finished the city. So the town figures it's easier to just leave it there and let the Children of Atom worship it and get their help, then to get rid of it, and try to do everything on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circuitous Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I get this odd feeling that this topic will either be deleted or moved to the Fallout Spoilers section. So I will post this in spoiler tags for the time being. I don't understand what their entire problem is. I've been trained on the Reverse Osmosis Water Purification Unit (ROWPU), and one of the mechanisms that it includes is a radiation filter. A single ROWPU can clean hundreds of gallons of muddy, infected, oily water into crystal clear drinking water a day (12GPM from a salt water source, for example). Getting your hands on non-radiated potable drinking water shouldn't be a problem for anyone with access to the proper pre-war equipment (the BOS come to mind). More than enough drinking water for entire towns, these machines were designed for entire armies! Which is my little annoyance with that part of the story line.Look at it this way, the BOS is interested in High-Tech items. A simple water purifier isn't high tech enough. Then again, there's only 90 million (estimated) copies of The Big Book of Science and Dean's Electronics around, so it seems that everybody missed the boat on that one. Then again, maybe only vault dwellers are affected by the radiation. For that matter, if you can frikkin' haul multiple INTACT aircraft fuselage miles to build a town on stilts with 50' walls, I think you can use the same crane you built the town with to get the bomb out of the center of town. Just my 2 pence. A "simple" water purifier, evidently capable of sustaining an entire army, in a world where there is virtually NO clean water, is an absolutely massive technological find, and the Brotherhood would be on that the very instant they knew it existed and could find one in working condition. Just because it isn't a gun doesn't mean it isn't tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscripted Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 A "simple" water purifier, evidently capable of sustaining an entire army, in a world where there is virtually NO clean water, is an absolutely massive technological find, and the Brotherhood would be on that the very instant they knew it existed and could find one in working condition. Just because it isn't a gun doesn't mean it isn't tech. It is a "simple" water purifier that is capable of sustaining an entire army. Simple in the sense that you'd probably need to know a lot to build one, but after it's built it takes almost no skills to use. If I can run one, anyone could. I just don't see how "clean water" could possibly be the entire drive for the plot of this game. They somehow clean all the water in Tenpenny tower, if you ever visit there. And ripping the water purifier (don't forget the water chip) from a vault would be a large, but in the end worthwhile, undertaking. Those things were designed to provide clean water for up to a thousand people or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seviche Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 A "simple" water purifier, evidently capable of sustaining an entire army, in a world where there is virtually NO clean water, is an absolutely massive technological find, and the Brotherhood would be on that the very instant they knew it existed and could find one in working condition. Just because it isn't a gun doesn't mean it isn't tech.Who said anything about tech merely being guns? Not I. The point being, the BOS might think that way, and the Outcasts might think that way. Only the Outcasts give any real definition as to what they're looking for, and it sure isn't mundane stuff like water purifiers. Mikekearne, my point is it's impossible to build a city like Megaton without cranes, and no matter how much the Children of the Atom help, you build them a separate church outside the bloody city and keep the radiation to a minimum. Tell them something like "We don't want to contaminate the purity of your relic with our city" or something to that effect. Then, get the bloody thing out of there. It's a gimmick and it makes Megaton less realistic (realistic? In a video game!???!) for me. Guess I'm silly that way. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscripted Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Mikekearne, my point is it's impossible to build a city like Megaton without cranes, and no matter how much the Children of the Atom help, you build them a separate church outside the bloody city and keep the radiation to a minimum. Tell them something like "We don't want to contaminate the purity of your relic with our city" or something to that effect. Then, get the bloody thing out of there. It's a gimmick and it makes Megaton less realistic (realistic? In a video game!???!) for me. Guess I'm silly that way. :blink: But they built it around the bomb because the crater is what initially gave them protection from the raiders and weather. They were just trying to reinforce the natural protection they already had and they needed the churches help to do it (thus they couldn't get rid of the bomb). That's the story the game gives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seviche Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 That's the story the game gives.Yep. It sure does. It also doesn't mean that they should have kept it there. Story or not, it's silly. To me. Your mileage may vary. :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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