Persistent CTD when Fighting Super Mutants

DrakoxMadshark · February 13, 2020

Hi everyone, so I've started playing Fallout 3 again, and I've gotten to a point where I'm very stable, i rarely get CTD's or crashes on Windows 10.

Anyways I'm doing a quest from a Mod that adds quests and I'm Fighting some muties, not the first time, but on this fight I'm getting a hang when exiting VATS or when firing y gun.

Anyways, here's my Load Order

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

CALIBR.esm

AWorldOfPainFO3.esm

CRAFT.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

Project Beauty.esm

FCOMaster.esm

DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

EVE.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp

RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm

CollapsedDC.esm

BetterGamePerformance.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp

Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

MetroCars.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp

Realistic Interior Lighting - OA.esp

CASM.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

Chems and Meds Re-Textures Pack.esp

RH_IronSights_RemoveReticule.esp

MCGrass.esp

MCRockTextures.esp

Flora Overhaul.esp

2Perks Per Level.esp

UPP - Experience Perks.esp

UPP - Pack 2.esp

UPP - Quest Perks.esp

FO3_WRP.esp

Dree Perks.esp

YearlingBooks.esp

Fast VATS 2.esp

Vault-Tec Experimental Dimensional Safe.esp

WWM.esp

WeaponModKits.esp

WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.esp

Fellout-pipboylight.esp

HZSmoothLight - FO3.esp

UPP - Beverage Perks.esp

PureWater-LittleRad-.esp

PureWater-NoRad-.esp

PureWater-VeryCleanLittleRad-.esp

PureWater-VeryClearNoRad-.esp

Improved Megaton Home-All Themes.esp

Realistic Interior Lighting.esp

Realistic Interior Lighting - PL.esp

Another Interior Mod.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp

Classic Fallout Weapons BETA.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp

MoreUniqueItems.esp

BlackWolf Backpack.esp

BlackWolf Backpack - Blank's Container Patch.esp

BlackWolf Backpack - Vendor Script Replenish.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp

F3ProjectRealityMkI.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp

WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp

RH_IronSights_Basic_AnchoragePlugin.esp

WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

RH_IronSights_Basic_ZetaPlugin.esp

RH_IronSights_PL_NewItems.esp

Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

Realistic Interior Lighting - BS.esp

WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

RH_IronSights_Basic_VanillaPlugin.esp

RH_IronSights_Basic_PointLookoutPlugin.esp

RH_IronSights_Basic_PittPlugin.esp

RH_IronSights_Basic_BrokenSteelPlugin.esp

RH_IronSights_Pitt_NewRifleSights.esp

CALIBRxMerchant.esp

UPP - Original Perks.esp

UPP - Pack 1.esp

WWM-EVE-patch.esp

SniperRange2.esp

Accuracy_Tweaks.esp

Combat Style Perks.esp

CollapsedDC.esp

Thanks in advance for any advice and I'm glad to provide more info as needed

M48A5 · February 13, 2020

Your load order is a mess. Yes, you used LOOT to sort it and you got the usual LOOT mess.

First you need to correct the load order and get the proper compatibility patch for FWE and MMM.

You should be using the Blackened patch with the Paradox Ignition merged Mart's Mutant Mod.

Keep in mind that compatibility patches must load after the last mod being patched.

Also, read the mod description pages for sample load orders.

DrakoxMadshark · February 13, 2020

I did download all the patched for both FWE and MMM, only the ones for EVE cause issues since it says I don't have eve.esp

HEre's what I have for FWE

Here's what happens when I enable the EVE and FWE patch

And I only do have the EVE.esm, so I disabled that one and haven't had any issues s far

Now since I'm using Mod Organizer can I use BOSS or something similar to sort the load order?

I just saw that BOSS is no longer updated or supported for FO3... so maybe I'll have to doit manually by trial and error lol

Edited February 13, 2020 by Drakox

M48A5 · February 14, 2020

For a game as old as FO3, the fact that BOSS has not been updated is not a factor in getting a working load order,

There are only a few mods that are not on the master list. .

You would be better served by using the Blackened patches and Paradox Ignition merges than using FOIP.

Also, I will only use the Fallout Mod Manager (FOMM) for FO3, so I can't answer your question about MO.

Purr4me · February 15, 2020

Hi everyone, so I've started playing Fallout 3 again, and I've gotten to a point where I'm very stable, i rarely get CTD's or crashes on Windows 10.

Anyways I'm doing a quest from a Mod that adds quests and I'm Fighting some muties, not the first time, but on this fight I'm getting a hang when exiting VATS or when firing y gun.

Anyways, here's my Load Order

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm
CALIBR.esm
AWorldOfPainFO3.esm
CRAFT.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
Project Beauty.esm
FCOMaster.esm
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
EVE.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp
RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm
CollapsedDC.esm
BetterGamePerformance.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
MetroCars.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - OA.esp
CASM.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Chems and Meds Re-Textures Pack.esp
RH_IronSights_RemoveReticule.esp
MCGrass.esp
MCRockTextures.esp
Flora Overhaul.esp
2Perks Per Level.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Quest Perks.esp
FO3_WRP.esp
Dree Perks.esp
YearlingBooks.esp
Fast VATS 2.esp
Vault-Tec Experimental Dimensional Safe.esp
WWM.esp
WeaponModKits.esp
WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.esp
Fellout-pipboylight.esp
HZSmoothLight - FO3.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
PureWater-LittleRad-.esp
PureWater-NoRad-.esp
PureWater-VeryCleanLittleRad-.esp
PureWater-VeryClearNoRad-.esp
Improved Megaton Home-All Themes.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - PL.esp
Another Interior Mod.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Classic Fallout Weapons BETA.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
MoreUniqueItems.esp
BlackWolf Backpack.esp
BlackWolf Backpack - Blank's Container Patch.esp
BlackWolf Backpack - Vendor Script Replenish.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
F3ProjectRealityMkI.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_AnchoragePlugin.esp
WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp
WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_ZetaPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_PL_NewItems.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp
WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - BS.esp
WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_VanillaPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PointLookoutPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PittPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_BrokenSteelPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Pitt_NewRifleSights.esp
CALIBRxMerchant.esp
UPP - Original Perks.esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
WWM-EVE-patch.esp
SniperRange2.esp
Accuracy_Tweaks.esp
Combat Style Perks.esp
CollapsedDC.esp
Thanks in advance for any advice and I'm glad to provide more info as needed

In My forum signature there is a link to the last reaming operational package that works for the Fomm product, it's set to download, use that instead.

It comes with the best sort order template for this game so it does not call home for updates, it installs it's own "Install Info" folder and templates you need to use.

I use Mo2 to dev versions as well. Install the program any place other than C"\Program files and folder (x86) '''say rename or edit the installer as you install the program HOT like C:\Fomm MO2 then run it once and set it up to control the game, then link it into MO2 as a new app.

Now it will sort your mods correctly base on the age age the game and mods you have.

Like this.

Purr4me · February 15, 2020

I did download all the patched for both FWE and MMM, only the ones for EVE cause issues since it says I don't have eve.esp

HEre's what I have for FWE

Here's what happens when I enable the EVE and FWE patch

And I only do have the EVE.esm, so I disabled that one and haven't had any issues s far

Now since I'm using Mod Organizer can I use BOSS or something similar to sort the load order?

I just saw that BOSS is no longer updated or supported for FO3... so maybe I'll have to doit manually by trial and error lol

https://www.fileplanet.com/archive/p-55689/Fallout-3-EVE-Energy-Visuals-Enhanced

DrakoxMadshark · February 16, 2020

Allright, I got the versionof EVE upi linked, thanks for that, and I also downloaded FOMM but when I link it and try to open it it won't open.

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NEVER MIND, I WAS BEING AN IDIOT AND I HAD FOMM ON THE SAME FOLDER AS MY MO2 MODS...

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I'm not sure If I'm doing something wrong.

I'm going to the linked apps

I add the app from the executable

Do I need to modify anything else?

After doing this it won't open

Here's a gif of me trying

Edited February 16, 2020 by Drakox

M48A5 · February 16, 2020

You are doing something wrong. From the cropped images you provided, I can't tell what you are using in the gif.

FOSE requires a manual installation, since most mod managers don't place the file correctly.

I take it you have the game installed in STEAM. This is completely unnecessary, since FO3 is not a STEAM dependent game.

FO3 should not be installed in "Program Files" since the Windows User Account Control will not allow any changes to the FO3 files.

FOMM is a mod manager and it should be used to handle your FO3 mods.

If you installed FOSE correctly, an option to launch the game through FOSE will appear in FOMM.

Did you start and run the game using the Fallout Launcher?

This will create the Fallout 3.ini files and allow you to choose your game settings.

This is a once and done operation and the game should be launched with FOSE through FOMM thereafter.

DrakoxMadshark · February 16, 2020

FOSE, and now THE GAME, works like a charm thanks to Purr4me's advice, I was being dumb and I had the FOMM files on ModOrganizers mod folder, once i took it out it worked and I was able to rearrange my Loadorder with FOMM, which now is this one

And yeah,i know FO3 shouldn't havebeen installed on programfiles, but I'm too lazy to move my steam library since it's been working, if it ain't broke...

Anyways this is my new Load Order

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm
CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
Project Beauty.esm
FCOMaster.esm
AWorldOfPainFO3.esm
EVE.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm
CollapsedDC.esm
BetterGamePerformance.esp
DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp
Fast VATS 1.esp
Fast VATS 2.esp
CASM.esp
CALIBRxMerchant.esp
WWM-EVE-patch.esp
Accuracy_Tweaks.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_VanillaPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_AnchoragePlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PittPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_BrokenSteelPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PointLookoutPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_ZetaPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Pitt_NewRifleSights.esp
RH_IronSights_RemoveReticule.esp
MCGrass.esp
MCRockTextures.esp
Flora Overhaul.esp
2Perks Per Level.esp
RH_IronSights_PL_NewItems.esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
SniperRange2.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Original Perks.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP  - Quest Perks.esp
FO3_WRP.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
PureWater-LittleRad-.esp
PureWater-NoRad-.esp
PureWater-VeryCleanLittleRad-.esp
PureWater-VeryClearNoRad-.esp
Improved Megaton Home-All Themes.esp
Dree Perks.esp
YearlingBooks.esp
Combat Style Perks.esp
CSP - Uninstall.esp
CollapsedDC.esp
Chems and Meds Re-Textures Pack.esp
BlackWolf Backpack.esp
BlackWolf Backpack - Vendor Script Replenish.esp
BlackWolf Backpack - Blank's Container Patch.esp
Classic Fallout Weapons BETA.esp
megalight.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
MoreUniqueItems.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp
WeaponModKits.esp
WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp
WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp
WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp
WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp
WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp
WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp
EVE.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
MetroCars.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.esp
Vault-Tec Experimental Dimensional Safe.esp
URWLENB-002-Interiors.esp
WWM.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Fellout-pipboylight.esp
HZSmoothLight - FO3.esp
Fellout-Anchorage.esp
Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp
Fellout-PointLookout.esp
Fellout-Zeta.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - BS.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - OA.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - PL.esp
Another Interior Mod.esp
F3ProjectRealityMkI.esp

Purr4me · February 16, 2020

Sweet.

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Persistent CTD when Fighting Super Mutants

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