theagonylord Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I have the steam version of oblivion, but when i add certain mods which change textures, meches or skeletons (adding works though) steam automaticly places them back...This is really annoying beacouse of this, i cannot use any skeleton mods or anything...Is there a way to turn this off exept for offline mode, beacouse i also use steam for other games which require online mode, and i dont want to have to reinstall all the mods each time i am going to play oblivion...a way to *disable* steam for oblivion would work i think... does anyone has an answer for this? TheAgonyLord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeTheDragon Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Steam's more than unlikely to replace any "loose" files. The game doesn't have any loose files apart from music tracks. Everything is stored inside the BSA files (Bethesda Softworks Archive, or something like that) and used from inside there directly. What could be happening is the loose files you installed won't be used by the game, as it will prefer its BSAs' contents over loose files all the time.This is a rather common issue with Steam, preventing any "replacer"-type mods from working at all. The BSA timestamps are dated far too recently, and in Oblivion file date beats everything else, even Archive Invalidation. The newest file gets used no matter what. Steam's BSAs being dated around when they last downloaded will always win over loose files dated around when the mod author released his/her work. You will need to redate the BSAs back to somewhere around 2006 (or whatever retail Oblivion was). A simple way to do so would be by using the Oblivion Mod Manager's (OBMM) Archive Invalidation Utilities and clicking "Reset BSA timestamps" once right before applying BSA Redirection for Archive Invalidation. Or do you have any signs of Steam actually "downloading" loose files which never were part of the game to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hickory Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Right click on Oblivion in your Steam games grid and select 'Properties'. Go to the 'Updates' tab and from the 'Automatic Updates' drop-down, select 'Do not automatically update this game'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theagonylord Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share Posted December 1, 2012 @hickory i already did that @drake what i mean are files i change in for example data/textures/armor/... to change the look of it... e.g. C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Oblivion\Data\Textures\armor\Elven, in there the .dds files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hickory Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 @hickory i already did that @drake what i mean are files i change in for example data/textures/armor/... to change the look of it... e.g. C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Oblivion\Data\Textures\armor\Elven, in there the .dds files That's more likely a Windows UAC issue. You have Steam, and therefore Oblivion, installed inside the Windows' protected 'Program Files' folder structure. You should move Steam outside ot Program Files. Here is a link to Moving a Steam Installation and Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theagonylord Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 @hickory i give that a try, and i let you know the result. thx for the tip =p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeTheDragon Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 That's the files I meant, technical term "loose files", as they're normally contained within the BSA files and only a mod replacing them will place them outside into the folders, loose.The original game doesn't contain those files or even the folders "meshes", "textures", etc., outside of the BSAs, and as such Steam can impossibly "revert" them. The trouble comes from making the game use the loose files over the ones inside the BSAs. For disc Oblivion to do this one only needs Archive Invalidation for textures.But with Steam Oblivion one needs Archive Invalidation for just about everything, PLUS the too-recent BSA file dates will prevent this from working until fixed as I explained. The UAC issues Hickory's aiming at come with actually "placing" the loose files into the folders. It's highly likely they will be put into some other place, a compatibility folder or what it's called, instead and not even end up inside the folders you put them into to begin with. "program files", "program files (x86)" and the likes are far too over-protected in this regard. But if the loose files indeed are inside the correct folders and still won't work, it's the issue with using loose files over BSA contents I mentioned to blame for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theagonylord Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) placing steam (and oblivion) outside program files didn't work...and yes i use Archive Invalidation (though without results)i am going to check out the reset time thingy from obmm now... i hope it works :s EDIT: the time thingy worked :) finaly the solutionthx for your help guys :) i really appreciate it Edited December 2, 2012 by theagonylord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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