How does Valerica survive without Blood?

[s2uri]

Seems like a major loop-hole to me....

 

Was it something about being in the Soul Cairn or maybe because they're lords and don't need blood or something?

Edited December 2, 2012 by s2uri

[Lachdonin]

TES vampires don't need to constantly feed in order to survive. In fact, they become stronger (though less human) the longer they go without feeding.

[k361]

I believe those who have been "blessed" directly by Molag Bal do not require blood to sustain themselves, however that is quite a misdirection,

as Serana takes your blood upon her awakeing. Wild guess Bethesda didn't bother with such details to certain extent. (Sadly).

 

Plus you are a lord as well and still that doesn't apply to you.

Edited December 2, 2012 by k361

[UrgeNexus]

As Lachdonin already said, TES Vampires don't really starve like humans do. They get thirsty, but it doesn't kill them. The longer they go without feeding the stronger they get, but they also get progressively more monstrous in appearance which makes feeding much more difficult as obviously your potential victims will either run away screaming as soon as they see you, or try to kill you on sight.

 

Conjecture incoming:

 

This next part is something I am not entirely certain is correct, so take it with a grain of salt. Vampires who go a long time without feeding go feral, the only thing driving them is thirst for blood, they basically become mindless monsters who want nothing more than to feed. That is obviously a huge motivation to keep yoursefl well fed, because while you will gain power by going without blood, you will eventually lose control completely and go berserk, something that is almost guaranteed to get you killed.

 

If someone more knowledgeable on TES vampire lore happens to read this I would actually like to know wether or not I'm correct on that last part. I could be entirely wrong about vampires going feral without blood, but it makes sense to me and I feel like it's been established, my memory is just really hazy on that.

 

I believe those who have been "blessed" directly by Molag Bal do not require blood to sustain themselves, however that is quite a misdirection,

as Serana takes your blood upon her awakeing. Wild guess Bethesda didn't bother with such details to certain extent. (Sadly).

 

Plus you are a lord as well and still that doesn't apply to you.

Wait, she does? Are you talking about when you first meet Serana in Dim Hollow? She's never taken as much as a sniff of my blood before and I've done the early aprts of Dawnguard on several characters and completed it once on the Dawnguard side.

Edited December 2, 2012 by UrgeNexus

[k361]

yes I did talk about that mechanism in the crypt..although it may seem its just a drop it had to be a bit more.

The last part is correct, regarding lesser vampires however doesn't seem to apply for daughters of coldharbour like Valerica especially

as in Soul Cairn there are no sources she could've extract blood from.

For example...Serana never bugs anyone about her thirst despite that she's with you all along...could mean that for a rare occasion she is not with

you (after you escorted her to the castle) she might feed. So she doesn't need to for the rest of the mq.

Valerica is indeed a mystery though.

[RaktoastTheSandwichTopper]

I believe those who have been "blessed" directly by Molag Bal do not require blood to sustain themselves, however that is quite a misdirection,

as Serana takes your blood upon her awakeing. Wild guess Bethesda didn't bother with such details to certain extent. (Sadly).

 

Plus you are a lord as well and still that doesn't apply to you.

Wait, she does? Are you talking about when you first meet Serana in Dim Hollow? She's never taken as much as a sniff of my blood before and I've done the early aprts of Dawnguard on several characters and completed it once on the Dawnguard side.

 

i think he is referring to when your hand is stabbed by the spike at the top of the mini column in the middle of the circle

[nakakita]

As Lachdonin already said, TES Vampires don't really starve like humans do. They get thirsty, but it doesn't kill them. The longer they go without feeding the stronger they get, but they also get progressively more monstrous in appearance which makes feeding much more difficult as obviously your potential victims will either run away screaming as soon as they see you, or try to kill you on sight.

 

Conjecture incoming:

 

This next part is something I am not entirely certain is correct, so take it with a grain of salt. Vampires who go a long time without feeding go feral, the only thing driving them is thirst for blood, they basically become mindless monsters who want nothing more than to feed. That is obviously a huge motivation to keep yourself well fed, because while you will gain power by going without blood, you will eventually lose control completely and go berserk, something that is almost guaranteed to get you killed.

 

If someone more knowledgeable on TES vampire lore happens to read this I would actually like to know whether or not I'm correct on that last part. I could be entirely wrong about vampires going feral without blood, but it makes sense to me and I feel like it's been established, my memory is just really hazy on that.

 

There was a vampire in Oblivion who refused blood and went into a coma because of it. This might have just been a plot device and nothing else, because there's another vampire who does act as you described. I'm not sure how long he was blood deprived though, and he was a much older vampire.

[k361]

keep in mind that Rona Hassildor as well as Lovidicus are cyrodiil vampires (descendants of Lamae Bal) while Serana, Valerica and Harkon are considered (especially Harkon) progenitors of nordic vampire kind (Volkihar).

Lamae did receive her "gift" in different way as Harkon and his girls :whistling:

Bal's blood might have had different effect on both, question is why Serana fell into coma while Valerica did not.

Valerica surely had to prepare herself before venturing into Soul Cairn.

Not to mention that either Serana or Valerica aren't hostile towards pc.

[nakakita]

I didn't refer to Valercia, and the poster I quoted was talking about TES vampires in general. Yes, those two are Cyrodillic vampires, but the non-pureblood vampires in Skyrim appear to be 'similar', and Harkon doesn't think much of you if you have any strain of Vampirism that isn't his. It doesn't 'count'. I also remember hearing that one type of Vampirism that was 'gifted' by Clavicus Vile, though I can't find the reference at the moment.

 

No, I don't know how Valercia manages to go without blood. But non-pureblood vampires who go for an extended period of time without blood suffer for it.

[k361]

I didn't refer to Valercia, and the poster I quoted was talking about TES vampires in general. Yes, those two are Cyrodillic vampires, but the non-pureblood vampires in Skyrim appear to be 'similar', and Harkon doesn't think much of you if you have any strain of Vampirism that isn't his. It doesn't 'count'. I also remember hearing that one type of Vampirism that was 'gifted' by Clavicus Vile, though I can't find the reference at the moment.

 

No, I don't know how Valercia manages to go without blood. But non-pureblood vampires who go for an extended period of time without blood suffer for it.

 

in fact far more daedric princes dubbed in vampirism, though so far the most common is that of Molag Bal which created Cyrodiil covens and Volkihars

which means that sure the non pure blood vampires fall into coma or turn to mindless wraiths.

As for Valerica, Im starting to think that Bethesda simply forgot about it. :thumbsup: