colourwheel Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Can You Answer My Other Question Now? Is this suppose to be a trick question? If not all I would guess, except the Desert Eagle, could be classified as "Assult Rifles" Edited December 31, 2012 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutii Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Please stop with this pointless questioning about the weapon. If you don't know enough about the weapon you should do your own research on it yourself. You earlier claimed me being ignorant to how the weapon operates yet asking me if an AR-15 is an assault rifle? the irony... By design the AR-15 is an assult rifle reguardless what the manufacturers want to label it as (they label it as a "sporting rifle" so friendly sounding) . Especially since it's operating system design is identical to the M-16 and an M-16 is an assault rifle. AR-15 can be modified to shoot automatically since all the weapon is is basiclly a M-16 without fully automatic firing switch.Thank you for answering my question! I have just a few more, please humor me. Would you be so kind as to point out to me which of these weapons are assault rifles and which are not? http://imgur.com/a/YBhJx I will attempt because I like guns :) An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle or carbine 1 and 6 aren't assualt rifles, they can't be automatic weapons. It only has one mode of fire, single shot, wheras assualt rifles have 3 (Single, Burst, Auto) 2 is an m16 assualt rifle 3 I don't know this gun, but I assume it is a carbine of some sorts, 4 I think this is the lm308mws. It's a service rifle, not an assualt rifle. 5 is an m4a1 carbine 7 clearly isn't an assualt rifle. It's a desert eagle pistol, a side arm Edited December 31, 2012 by Brutii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syco21 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Is this suppose to be a trick question? If not all except the Desert Eagle could be classified as "Assult Rifles"It is and they can't. Weapon 1 is an M14 and 3 is an upgraded M14(M14 EBR). They are battle rifles, designed for long distance engagements. Better known as sniper rifles. Both rifles have a gas operated, bolt rotating action. Not a direct impingement action, according to you, they can not be assault rifles. Weapon 2 is an M16, it is an assault rifle. Weapon 4 is an HK 416 civilian model. It is only capable of semi automatic fire. It is not an assault rifle and has the same action as weapons 1&3. Weapon 5 is a military variant of the HK 416, it is a select fire rifle capable of full auto and semi auto fire. It is an assault rifle. It has the same action as weapons 1, 3 & 4. Weapon 6 is an M1 Garand, it has the same action as weapons 1, 3, 4 & 5. It is not an assault rifle. Weapon 7 is a .50 Desert Eagle. It has the same gas operated, rotating bolt action as weapons 1, 3, 4, 5 & 6. According to your earlier comments, this would make it an assault rifle. Clearly that is impossible. My point here is that you do not fully understand all the fine minutia of how firearms operate and what precisely makes a weapon an assault rifle. But again, there is nothing to get offended about! This is perfectly understandable. I myself do not really know too much about firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) @Syco21 I was never claiming to know everything about firearms or fully understand all the fine minutia of how firearms operate. Also you have not offended me here. What I do know is some Firearms are easier to modify than others to make them fully automatic and the AR-15 is a very good example concidering its design is based off the M16 by design. Edited December 31, 2012 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syco21 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 But this is my point. Can you tell me what it takes to modify an AR-15 so that it will fire in full auto and do so reliably? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Please review the rules for debate as I really don't like to shut down debates.You can either play nice - or find a new sandbox to play in.http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/190703-rules-for-debates/Bben46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naomis8329 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm coming to this rather late and after much soul searching I think the powers that be really must take the blame for what has happened. Any gun culture has the chance to encourage this type of disaster. If something is easily available then there will be those that abuse the privilege and ruin it for those that treat guns with the respect they deserve. To be honest I have heard a number of different reasons as to how or why this happened. Why the gunman did what he did and who was to blame, the most recent over here in Blighty being he played CoD. Go figure, but if that was the reason then the next thing we know there will be gaming reforms before there are firearm reforms. Each time something like this happens, being to the East of Blighty or the West, I hope and pray it will be the last. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the case, but what we should remember is it is people that kill people and guns or knives or bombs are the instruments that are used. Surely it is a matter of education? Yes guns are available in many countries around this amazing world of ours legally and are used responsibly by many people during the course of their work and at ranges etc, these people have been trained and respect their weapons and know the damage they can do if handled wrongly. If possible maybe education should start, not just in the home, but in educational establishments also. Showing children the outcomes of a gunshot, what can happen if someone is shot, that is an amazing deterrent. Teaching children that guns used for a reason ie law enforcement, by soldiers in the enforcement of their duties etc etc, is the only reason for firing any weapon, and in extreme cases, in the protection of themselves and their families, then this will enforce the respect necessary for having these type of weapons in their homes. My family live in the USA. My parents and sisters have never had a gun in the house, have never handled one nor would they want to. My youngest sister had a close encounter with a weapon after accidently cutting up another driver when she nearly missed the exit on the highway when trying to get my father's lunch to him. The driver she cut up followed her up to the junction, pulled along side her and pointed a gun at her head whilst shouting obscenities at her. As you can imagine it freaked her out and she immediately returned home and called my father and the authorities. Of course she could do nothing other than give a description of the other driver and the make and colour of the car. She was driving my dad's red sports car at the time and he mistakenly thought it was her car, she was only 18 at the time and it freaked my parents out so badly that my dad sold the car and bought a 4x4. A sad state of affairs to be sure, but luckily my sister came out of it relatively unscathed, except for a few months of nightmares and refusing to drive anywhere without a passenger for a wee while. She's fine now and is an University lecturer (I'm so proud of her :D But back to the topic at hand, the aforementioned was used as an example of what happened after an innocent encounter. It could have turned out very differently to be sure, but luckily the gunman either thought twice about using his weapon, or it was not loaded. Either way my sister survived the encounter and I thank the Lord for that every day. Restraint, respect and education, must play a part in any gun culture. I have only ever seen weapons on the TV or at the airport. I have never heard one discharged in RL nor have I ever witnessed a "real" gunshot. I have a respect for these weapons of destruction and trust that those using them daily are trained to the highest level in using them. I also hope that what happened at Sandy Hook never happens again. We had a similar tragedy here in the UK a number of years ago and I remember it well. My thoughts, prayers and best wishes go out to the family and friends of those lost especially now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Can you tell me what it takes to modify an AR-15 so that it will fire in full auto and do so reliably? Nope not off hand but I am sure you can do the research yourself if you really want to know. You can just google websites to links to find and order the parts needed, something even a common house wife could easily do. If websites and private forums exist with detailed information on how to construct bombs to modifying gaming systems its not far fetched to find websites for modifying semi-automatic weapons. @Naomis I own a licensed gun for my protection after I was randomly encountered outside at night at a food market in the parking lot by 2 men who followed me out to an almost empty parking lot, I was almost raped but lucky for me another car drove by and seemed to scare the two men away as they ran away. Honestly I sometimes wonder why I bought my gun in the 1st place concidering I have never fired it for practical use once and hope I never have to. Just owning a gun you tend to spend more time keeping the dumb thing clean when its hidden deep in your purse than actaully going to a firing range for practice. This inccident happened a very long time ago and I have been more cautious since. Recently since I live in a much safer area now then when this incident happened I've been debating on getting rid of my gun. I have heard stories of women attacked and raped who owned guns too that ended up having them just getting them turn against them. Owning a gun I think honestly just gives me more of a psychological feeling of protection over actaully really being protected. Concidering the fact People who do not actively use guns on a regular basis tend to not be ready to use them when needed. For some reason The Sandy Hook shooting has made me recently re-think if I should keep my gun anymore or not. Edited December 31, 2012 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Ok, first and foremost, the 'assault rifle' was found in the trunk of the car. It was NOT used in the school shootings. Source. (there seems to be a lot of different stories about this though..... whom do you believe?) Second, yes, an AR-15 CAN be converted to fully auto operation, HOWEVER, you need the military style bolt carrier, and a handful of other parts, to include a machine shop.... to do so. The kits are illegal, and the bolt carrier is not available for sale to anyone that does not have a federal firearms permit. (dealers license.) Without a GREAT deal of effort, and the aid of a gunsmith, the conversion isn't going to happen. If the shooter HAD used a full-auto weapon, the death toll would have been MUCH higher. The shooter used two semi-auto pistols. In a target rich environment like a school, he wouldn't even had to AIM to hit/kill someone. (sorry to phrase it that way...... seems kinda cold, don't it?) Even with only seven round magazines (fairly standard....) he would only have to reload once to accomplish his kill count. Three minutes is plenty of time, I think he had all of ten though. (the glock holds 15 rounds in the mag. I can't find enough info on his other pistol to make the call on mag capacity.....) One of my main points here though is, ALL of the weapons he had with him were legal. For his mother...... being he was under 21? he could not legally possess a pistol, and certainly not carry one around with him. I used to routinely carry an M-16, and am intimately familiar with them..... I have owned/examined/disassembled numerous AR-15 style rifles as well. While externally similar, internally, they are rather different. (see above.) Banning assault weapons would have no effect on this type of crime. The shooter here ostensibly didn't use it. The columbine shooters had pistols, and shotguns..... no assault weapons there either.... Have a look here . A list of school shootings dating back to 1902...... Please note, that in most cases, (99%) NO assault weapons were used. And one (Dawson College shooting) it all depends on your definition of assault rifle, weapon used there used pistol ammo...... So, why all the debate about assault weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) So, why all the debate about assault weapons? Because to some people this would be the 1st step to serious and meaningful gun reform. By 1st banning assault weapons or widely implimenting restrictions can eventually lead to the banning or serious restrictions placed on weapons like the ones found/used at the sandy hook shooting and other tragic incidences. Edited December 31, 2012 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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