Freezing Due to Conflicting Mods?

[itsinthegame1]

Hey everyone,

 

I recently reinstalled skyrim and a handful of mods. Since I have started, my game has run perfectly...other than a few random freezes. Freezing/CTDs often end my play rather than my own conscious desire. This is something that I want to clear up. I am not sure if it is due to conflicting mods or not. To me it does not seem so because the freezes either happen in the open world or as I enter a new enviornment, such as opening a door to enter a house.

 

Here is some background information that might be helpful:

Running:

Windows 7

 

Skyrim 1.8 with Dawnguard DLC

 

SkyRe(Skyrim Script Extender) 1.6

 

Note: After going through my mods, I noticed some redundance between my Nexus and Steam mods. I'm guessing this could have been a source to my problem. I also noticed that some of my nexus mods are out of date. I have not updated many of them, due to laziness and the question if this is a viable concern.

 

NEXUS MODS:

 

Alternate Start -Live Another Life-

All aMidianBorn Armor Textures

Apachii Skyhair

Bandit Raids -V5-

Bank of Skyrim

Beards -High-res- Normal

Better Bows 1.41

Build Your Own Home

Calientes CBBE Female Body Mod

Calientes Vanilla Outfits for CBBE

Camping

Cloaks of Skyrim v1

Convenient Horse Herding

Convenient Horses

Deadly Dragons

Dragon Knight Armor

Fantasy Musiv Overhaul Redone (all files)

Gimli's Battleaxe -LOTR-

Greatsword Sheaths and Scabbards

Immersive Armors

Immersive Weapons

Immersive Patrols

All Skyrim HD Textures -LITE-

SkyUI

Sporty Sexy Map for CBBE Body

Static Mesh Improvement Mod

Stormcloak Explorer Armor

The Eye of the Guard

The Matherian Viking Shield Set

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch

Useable Sawmills

Viking Spawn Shields

Vilja in Skyrim

 

STEAM WORKSHOP MODS:

 

Project Legacy

Hobbit Hole

Stones of Barenziah Quest Markers

The Archers Arsenal - Special Arrows

Smeltdown -Items to Ingots-

Merceneries

Real Companions - v1.7

SkyrimLive

Bandolier - Bags and Pouches

Bandolier - Dawnguard

Camping Kit of the Northern Ranger

Mammoth Hides

Hunting in Skyrim -Hunting Guild,Quests, Better Prices, Challenges

Hunter's Tundra Camp

Harvest More Food and Ingredients

Useful Training Dummies

Duel - Combat Realism 5

Dual Wield -Parrying

Dragonbone Ebonsteel Armor

Fountain Guard Armor

Better Shrouded Armor

Fishing in Skyrim

Enhanced Distant Terrain

The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition

Better Embers

Dawngaurd Paladin Armor

Dynamic Merchants

Spend Dragon Souls for Perks

Realistic Ragdolls and Force

Falkreath Ranger

More Nordic Ulfric

Crimson Tide - 2.2

Arrows Stick

RNG (Dynamic) Guards

Real Wildlife Skyrim

Skyrim Crash Prevention

Craftable Crossbows and Bolts

Unofficial Skyrim Patch

Playable Flute, Lute, and Drum - Play and Bash

 

Whoa! That's a lot!

 

If any of you have any insight or knowledge to offer me, I would be very grateful.

 

Thank you all for your support!

[ripple]

1) Need to see a load order. Are you using BOSS to set your load order?

 

2) Using Wrye Bash to create a Bashed Patch or TES5Edit to create a merged patch? With mods that edit leveled lists (Immersive weapons, immersive armour, cloaks of skyrim, winter is coming, etc.), a merged patch is not optional.

[itsinthegame1]

I am using Boss. I can post a load order if that would be helpful.

 

I am also using Wyre Bash, but I haven't used it to merge any files, only to manage/organize them.

[ripple]

I can post a load order if that would be helpful.

 

Not only would it be helpful, it's necessary. It won't necessarily provide magical insights, but without seeing your load order, there is no way anyone can tell you if this is an issue of 'conflict' between mods.

 

And yes, you do need to create a Bashed Patch or use TES5Edit so you can merge the conflicting leveled lists from those 'add more stuff to NPC' mods you are using.

[itsinthegame1]

Okay, here is the load order:

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

ApachiiHair.Esm

JSwords.esm

Omegared99-Compilation.esm

SPIKE.esm

unofficialskyrimpatch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

LIAT - Sounds.esp

Fantasy Music Overhaul Redone.esp

arrowstick.esp

banditraids.esp

better embers.esp

dragonsoulstoperks.esp

enhanceddistantterrain.esp

fishinginskyrim.esp

Immersive Battles.esp

Immersive Brigands.esp

Immersive Dawnguard.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

Immersive Werewolves.esp

JBS_banking_redux.esp

ktxcompleteskyforge.esp

LIAT - NPCs.esp

it_campig.esp

mmmoth hide.esp

new guards.esp

real wildlife skyrim 0.1.esp

ScenicCarriages.esp

ShootingStates.esp

skyrimlive.esp

smeltdown_ingots_osr.esp

UseableSawmill.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

WetandCold.esp

battleflute.esp

Cloaks.esp

Cloaks - Player Only.esp

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

dawnguardpaladinarmor.esp

dbarmor.esp

DK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp

dragonboneebonsteel.esp

fountain guard armor maty743.esp

HBetterBows.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

isilnarisil.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

LostLongSwords.esp

Northman Armours - Credo.esp

Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp

rangerarmor.esp

skyforgedShields.esp

Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp

SpawnShield.esp

dr_bandolier.esp

dr_bandolierdg.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

Anceint Knowledge Armour.esp

buildablehouse.esp

Convenient Horse Herding.esp

hobbithouse.esp

JobsofSkyrim.esp

dynamicmerchants.esp

Headtracking.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

campinkitnorthernranger.esp

hunting in skyrim - no perks. esp

dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

RND_Dawngaurd-Patch.esp

duel - combat realism.esp

dual wield parrying_randomattacks.esp

the dance of death - dawnguard edition.esp

crimson tide - blood.esp

Beards.esp

EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp

mercenariesplus.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

Spousetocustomhome.esp

RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Purewaters.esp

barenziah questmarkers.esp

skyrim performance mod.esp

Bashed Patch. 0.esp

craftable crossbows and bolts.esp

harvest more food & ingredients.esp

dummytraining.esp

hunters tundra camp.esp

more nordic ulfic.esp

MVSSII.esp

gimliaxe.esp

realcompanions.esp

archersarsenal.esp

[korun]

Okay, here is the load order:

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

ApachiiHair.Esm

JSwords.esm

Omegared99-Compilation.esm

SPIKE.esm

unofficialskyrimpatch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

LIAT - Sounds.esp

Fantasy Music Overhaul Redone.esp

arrowstick.esp

banditraids.esp

better embers.esp

dragonsoulstoperks.esp

enhanceddistantterrain.esp

fishinginskyrim.esp

Immersive Battles.esp

Immersive Brigands.esp

Immersive Dawnguard.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

Immersive Werewolves.esp

JBS_banking_redux.esp

ktxcompleteskyforge.esp

LIAT - NPCs.esp

it_campig.esp

mmmoth hide.esp

new guards.esp

real wildlife skyrim 0.1.esp

ScenicCarriages.esp

ShootingStates.esp

skyrimlive.esp

smeltdown_ingots_osr.esp

UseableSawmill.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

WetandCold.esp

battleflute.esp

Cloaks.esp

Cloaks - Player Only.esp use just one .ESP

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

dawnguardpaladinarmor.esp

dbarmor.esp

DK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp

dragonboneebonsteel.esp

fountain guard armor maty743.esp

HBetterBows.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

isilnarisil.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

LostLongSwords.esp

Northman Armours - Credo.esp

Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp

rangerarmor.esp

skyforgedShields.esp

Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp

SpawnShield.esp

dr_bandolier.esp

dr_bandolierdg.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

Anceint Knowledge Armour.esp

buildablehouse.esp

Convenient Horse Herding.esp

hobbithouse.esp

JobsofSkyrim.esp

dynamicmerchants.esp

Headtracking.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

campinkitnorthernranger.esp

hunting in skyrim - no perks. esp

dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp--------------» you are using CBBE body, so you need a custom skeleton

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

RND_Dawngaurd-Patch.esp

duel - combat realism.esp

dual wield parrying_randomattacks.esp

the dance of death - dawnguard edition.esp

crimson tide - blood.esp

Beards.esp

EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp

mercenariesplus.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

Spousetocustomhome.esp

RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Purewaters.esp

barenziah questmarkers.esp

skyrim performance mod.esp

Bashed Patch. 0.esp

craftable crossbows and bolts.esp

harvest more food & ingredients.esp

dummytraining.esp

hunters tundra camp.esp

more nordic ulfic.esp

MVSSII.esp

gimliaxe.esp

realcompanions.esp

archersarsenal.esp

 

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[ripple]

1) Use BOSS to set your load order. If BOSS does not recognize a mod, and loads it after your Bashed Patch, that means you have to order the unrecognized esp manually (generally by checking the esp in TES5Edit to see if it's conflicting with any other mods). Do not simply let it load after the Bashed Patch.

 

2) Jaysus swords was made using TESVSnip, and requires an additional patch made by someone else to work nicely with the latest version of Skyrim. When you run BOSS, the BOSS log will tell you that, and the name of the patch you need to download.

 

3) 'Lively Inns and Taverns' is no longer supported (as stated on the mod author's page). If you are 'freezing' during cell transition, while trying to enter a tavern or inn, that''s the culprit.

[itsinthegame1]

1) Alright I'll get TES5Edit and do that.

 

2) I've installed a compatability patch for Jaysus swords, so that should no longer be a problem

 

3) I've haven't noticed freezing with inns and taverns as much, it could be any space or in the open world at random.

 

4)Thank you for all your suggestions! You've been very helpful!

[ripple]

3) I've haven't noticed freezing with inns and taverns as much, it could be any space or in the open world at random.

 

If you are getting a lot of outdoor CTD and/or freezes, then the culprits are likely the mods that add more spawn points or spawns or make changes to the worldspace (as opposed to interior cells, like LIAT). Something like 'Real Wildlife' would be a mod that does that. So you might try removing those mods if the aggravation of freezes and CTDs start to outweight the benefits of those mods.

Edited December 27, 2012 by ripple

[bben46]

Your specs don't say if your Win7 is 32 or 64 bit. Or, the total RAM, Or, the video card.

 

If you are running a sys with integrated video - the video card is built into the motherboard. (most laptops also) Usually the video 'steals' ram from the system ram. If you have a lot of ram to spare this isn't usually a problem.

 

If you have 2 G or ram, the system will take around .3 to .5G. The video will take another .5 G or more. If you started with 2G of RAM, that leaves about 1G for the game - not enough you will crash whenever there is a big demand - like going through doors, loading screens or mods that add things like spawns.

 

The specs may say 2G ram, but that assumes you have more than 2G to work with, and a separate Video card with it's own built in ram.

 

If you have 2G of ram, a decent video card that has more than .5G (512M) of ram AND 2 G of ram, that leaves 1.5G of Ram. Sufficient for most things , but still weak for a lot of mods.

 

Then, to make it even more complicated. BethSoft Gambryo engine based games (oblivion, Fallout3, Skyrim) have always had poor ram management - meaning that unused ram is not properly released all of the time causing a gradual loss of the amount of ram available to the game. This leads to a crash where the screen freezes for a second or two, then crashes to desk top.

 

Most systems can handle at least 4G of ram - that is the max for a 32 bit system. A 64bit system can usually handle much more (except for some Win7 starter systems that are very limited.)

 

That's probably more than you wanted to know about ram. :rolleyes: