vandorssen Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 I personally will not rejoice in his leaving, as I see an opportunity where things may have been different. Perhaps yet it may still be for the better. If he was unhappy here, yet still devoted time to this forum, he may be more at ease in another. I only hope that he may yet see wisdom, and with Dark One’s graces, return and be a better man for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 And lo, the patience of Darnoc may be as deep as the sea, but like the sea it has it's bottom. Therefore I am asking once again: Am I right or is Peregrine right? Was he right to give me a strike or am I right to claim not to have broken any rules? I don't want to spam, but it is annoying not to know if one has a strike or not. Or should we make an open tribunal, Peregrine as the accuser and I am as accused and defender at the same time? And with Dark0ne as judge? Would be interesting tough... But still I prefer the faster way. I hate writing this all and all over again, you know. Perhaps you are so busy with "Case Shakkara" that you can't spare any time. Well, I understand you, but I started this thread! And since this is my thread and I got a strike from Peregrine because of it, which I believe to be unjustly given (as I explained and reasoned in my two earlier posts), I ask for anybody on a higher rank than Peregrine to look into the matter and decide, if I really did break the rules and Peregrine's strike was given rightly. Thanks for your attention Darnoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Darnoc.... If you are so desperate to get an answer, talk to Dark0ne directly with PM... It's fast and safe (no risk of spaming). I'm new here and I respect the rules, you just have to watch your own back and make sure you do as the holy Admin request. Think of it this way... If you were told not to talk to people about a certain topic, and you asked the same people "why?" infront of everyone, do you think they wil take it well? As you can see, no... Freedom is not universally free, it is earned and is a priviledge. Just remember respect goes a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandorssen Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 I have to say that I do not actually see your name in the strike list. Peregrine, for better or worse, seems more severe in word than in deed. Perhaps it was more meant as a threat of a strike, although I do not seek to speak for him. I only wish to interpret (as fairly as I can) the actions taken or not taken. From an entirely objective and dispassionate point of view (as I fancy myself having), I cannot see where specifically you may have warranted a strike, either threatened or real. However, I might, if I were so inclined, interpret the rules as having been broken, if in name only, as you prefaced your post by directly referencing a post in which the forbidden topics were discussed. This could be seen as talking directly about the said unmentionables. However you did call into question the validity of long standing forum rules, which, if this were my site, I may be inclined to take as a violation of the rules simply by questioning them. Again, it is Dark One’s site. If he feels Peregrine did well by issuing a strike, for whatever reason, it is done. What I say or anyone else says is moot. From the TOS:The MORROWIND SOURCE forums are run, owned and maintained by Dark0ne. Dark0ne is the law on these forums and what he says, goes, irrespective of whether there has been a breach of ToS or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 @tyjet and vandorssen: Ah, finally someone with whom you can discuss reasonably. Well, you have a point there. But I can assure you that I don't break any rules, because when I give my word to obey the rules and I don't do it, it would be dishonorable. I wouldn't do it, only if these rules would run against any principle I have, since I deem those to be higher than any rules, because it would be even more dishonorable to not follow ones own principles. It is my philosophical oppinion that certain principles are applying to all humans and one of them is to question everything. I think it is our duty towards the public and the other humans then improvement can only happen when there is questioning. Since I didn't find any rules against doing so, I did what I thought was what I had to do (and still I think it was necessary). When someone approaches me with critisism, I am ready to listen and also to accept it, when I see that the critisism is reasonable and correct. And any other mature person would agree with me here. The reason why I critizise openly in this matter is because this matter is concerning also other persons, meaning all persons who are members of the forum. I will follow your advise and PM him. Thanks for reminding me. @tyjet only: Freedom is a basic right for every human being, it is not earned but it comes with being a human being. Freedom is needed for improvement and improvement is the goal (or should be the goal) of humanity. Darnoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Darnoc, according to Dark0ne you do not have a strike. But I advise you to ask advance permission before doing anything that could in any way be seen as defiance of moderator instructions. Maybe that was your intent, maybe it wasn't, but especially with the way you started the thread it was very questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Since the topic of this forum is titled freedom of speech, i hope this is not spaming... Freedom is NOT free. -Think of all the people that were born slaves (not just black people but other people centuries back)-America has the right to freedoms because we fought for them (remember the revolutionary war?)-In our world (Earth), everyone is NOT free!! There are still slave in the middle east! Women still don't have freedoms over there!!-If freedom was universal, why would people still be fight for them?!-As long we have someone towering over us, telling us what to do (boss, government, commercials, ect.) we will never be 100% free. We earned freedom... Not everyone has it, that makes it a priviledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 @Peregrine: Then I can assure you that I didn't intend to insult anyone or do anything in defiance of the admins. I wanted simply to add some "constructive criticism", if you can follow me. And that was the only thing it was about. As said, I only break rules when they run against my principles and since now this wasn't the case (and of course I hope it won't be the case anytime at all). @tyjet: Freedom is basic or should I say it should be basic. This is theoretically spoken, reality is different. Every person should be free without any exceptions and without earning it. We must fight for it because there are peoples destroying what should have always been the case. The principle of freedom of man always existed (at least theoretically) but this order was destroyed by power greedy humans. Remember I talked about principles applying to all humans? Freedom of every human being is one of them. Those principles are like laws of nature, they do exist forever (in theory) but mostly the case is more difficult in reality and matters are more complicated. I should explain it in more detail, but I don't have the time now, so excuse my incomplete explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 As said, I only break rules when they run against my principles. I suggest you consider that very carefully before you break any rules in protest. Whether you agree with them or not, the rules exist and are to be followed. Disagreement on principle will not make you immune to punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 I suggest you consider that very carefully before you break any rules in protest. Whether you agree with them or not, the rules exist and are to be followed. Disagreement on principle will not make you immune to punishment. I never said anything different. The consequence of breaking the rules is very clear for me. But if, and I say if, they run against my principles, I feel it to be my duty to follow my principles, not the rules. But since your rules do not conflict with my principles (at least now), you and I have nothing to fear about. Because I saw a conflict ("principle: a law has to be reasonable to be accepted" against "principle: follow the rules in order to maintain necessary order"), I asked my question about this certain rule this topic is about. And of course I am still waiting for any answer. I'll have to meditate about this problem some time and I hope to find a solution towards my conflict of principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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