The Manhatten Project

[SpeedyB64]

Ok any suggestions? maybe San Francisco. We could do Seattle (make Seattle interesting). We could do Miami, Orlando, Ottawa (I live near there), Michigan?, Detroit?, somewhere I don't F***ing know :wallbash: Anyway most cities that aren't overly used are boring.(Detroit and Michigan where just random cities they both look very boring).

 

It would be difficult to use San Francisco because It is near where Fallout 1 was and we cant use Chicago because it is where Fallout 2 was and we can't do New York because it is taken. (we still could do NY but it would have to be very good)

 

The place needs to have fairly generic buildings and needs to have some good landmarks If anybody has an idea Post it here.

[silerfire]

Fallout 2 had "New Reno," clearly modeling existing Reno, though characterizing it more like the "den of iniquity" early LV is certainly famed for. Vegas was definitely popular in the fifties (mostly frequented by men with money to burn) and one rumor even suggests the Rat Pack got their name from Lauren Bacall when she told them "after seeing her husband and his friends return from a night in Las Vegas [...] "You look like a goddamn rat pack."[citation needed] " (Fifties Rat Pack).

 

Hell, the Rat Pack visited Vegas so often, some say their ties to the mob (whether true or not) began there. They practically built the culture.

 

Granted the giant casino/resorts we see now didn't show up until the late 80's, but I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to envision an alternate skyline with decidedly more "50's" architecture and atmosphere.

 

While most of LV's architecture maintains a distinctly "60's" motif, characterized by straight lines, diagonals and asymmetrical curves, it's fairly similar to the 50's style of straight lines ending in curves. As an example, compare these two images.

 

50's

http://www.dinercity.com/ohDiner/dinerOnStClairExtM.jpg

 

60's

http://heritagerealtylv.com/images/golden_nugget1955.daytime.jpg

 

It shouldn't be too hard to maintain the wholesome appearance of the 50's architecture while characterizing it with the hard, quick-turn-of-your-luck atmosphere unique to Vegas. In fact, I think it would only add to the existing dichotomy of the Fallout universe (wholesome atmosphere, with bleak and destroyed architecture). Super :geek:

[ArrowofDesign]

Las Vegas was been mentioned by Tycho's father, who was Desert Ranger in Nevada also.

 

According to this memory, there lived a fat mobster, similar to Gizmo from Junktown. It is not certain, when Las Vegas Fat Mobster lived, because Tycho was educated by his father only and he probably didn't know his grandfather (Tycho's grandfather taught his son everything he knew).

 

This reference to Fat Freddy, the Wasteland character, doesn't contradict Fallout canon. It is possible, that Tycho's family or even all Desert Rangers had some relations with postwar Las Vegas inhabitants.

 

Las Vegas localization is beyond eastern edge of the Fallout world map (and beyond western edge of Van Buren world map, 30 miles north-west of the Hoover Dam).

 

In real world Las Vegas lies on class I railroad from southern California to Salt Lake City.

 

1930-1941: Hoover Dam and the first casinos

On July 3, 1930, President Herbert Hoover signed the appropriation bill for the Boulder Dam. Work started on the dam in 1931 and Las Vegas' population swelled from around 5,000 citizens to 25,000, with most of the newcomers looking for a job building the dam. The casinos and showgirl theaters first appeared in Las Vegas to entertain the largely male-majority dam construction workers.[3]

 

Las Vegas tried hard to put on a respectable air when the Secretary of the Interior Lyman Wilbur visited in 1929 to inspect the site. However one of his subordinates came to him with alcohol on his breath (this was during the time of Prohibition) after a visit to Block 16. It was decided that a federal-controlled town, Boulder City, would be erected for the dam workers. This still did not stop the flow of federal and dam worker money into Las Vegas and the city was recharged, literally, when the dam was completed in 1935. In 1937, Southern Nevada Power became the first utility to supply power from the dam, and Las Vegas was its first customer. After much discussion the name of the dam was changed from Boulder to Hoover Dam.

 

With gambling legalized in 1931, Las Vegas started its rise to world fame as the gambling capital of the world. Gambling (although already legal in Las Vegas) became organized and regulated. The county issued the first gambling license in 1931 to the Northern Club, and soon other casinos were licensed on Fremont Street like the Las Vegas Club and the Apache Hotel. Fremont Street developed its nickname as Glitter Gulch from all of the lights that were powered by electricity from Hoover Dam. Hoover Dam and its reservoir, Lake Mead, turned into tourist attractions on their own and the need for additional higher class hotels became clear. Fremont Street was the first paved street in Las Vegas[4] and received the city's first traffic light in 1931.

 

In 1940, U.S. Route 95 was finally extended south into Las Vegas, giving the city two major roads that provided access from the rest of the country. Also in 1940 Las Vegas's first permanent radio station, KENO, began broadcasting replacing the niche occupied earlier by transient broadcasters.

 

1941-1945: War years

On January 25, 1941 the U.S. Army moved into Las Vegas when Las Vegas Mayor, John L. Russell, signed over land to the U.S. Army Quartermaster Corps for the development of a flexible gunnery school for the United States Army Air Corps. The gunnery school would become Nellis Air Force Base. The U.S Army was not pleased with prostitution being legal in Las Vegas and in 1942 used its clout to force Las Vegas to outlaw the practice, handing Block 16, which since the inception of Las Vegas, was the equivalent of the city's red-light district, its death sentence.

 

On April 3, 1941, hotel owner Thomas Hull opened the El Rancho Vegas. It was the first resort on what would become the Las Vegas Strip. The hotel gained much of its fame from the all you can eat buffet that it offered.

 

On October 30, 1942, R. E. Griffith rebuilt on the site of a nightclub called Pair-O-Dice,[5] that first opened in 1930, and renamed it Hotel Last Frontier. A few more resorts were built on and around Fremont Street but the next hotel on the Strip publicly demonstrated the influence of organized crime on Las Vegas. Gangster Bugsy Siegel, with help from friend and fellow mob boss Meyer Lansky as well as other hoods, built The Flamingo in 1946.

 

1947-1963: Postwar boom & organized crime

The Flamingo initially lost money and Siegel died in a hail of gunfire in Beverly Hills, California. However, many people, including some involved with organized crime, saw the potential that gambling offered in Las Vegas. From 1952 to 1957, they built the Sahara, the Sands, the New Frontier, the Royal Nevada, The Showboat, The Riviera, The Fremont, Binion's Horseshoe (which was the Apache Hotel), and finally The Tropicana.

 

Some of these casinos were run by people involved with organized crime, including Meyer Lansky. However, gambling was quickly becoming a legitimate business. Even with the general knowledge that some of the owners of these casino resorts had dubious backgrounds, by 1954, over 8 million people were visiting Las Vegas yearly pumping 200 million dollars into casinos. Gambling was no longer the only attraction; the biggest stars of films and music like Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Abbott and Costello, Bing Crosby, Carol Channing, and others performed in intimate settings. After coming to see these stars, the tourists would resume gambling, and then eat at the gourmet buffets that have become a staple of the casino industry.

 

A two-year investigation by Senator Estes Kefauver and his Senate Special Committee to Investigate Crime in Interstate Commerce in 1950-51 concluded that organized crime money was incontrovertibly tied to the Las Vegas casinos. This led to a proposal by the Senate to institute federal gambling control. Only through the power and influence of Nevada's Senator Pat McCarran did the proposal die in committee.

 

1950s: Atomic testing

While the Strip was booming, the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission on January 27, 1951 detonated the first of over a hundred atmospheric explosions at the Nevada Test Site. These atmospheric tests would continue until enactment of the Partial Test Ban Treaty in 1963 when the tests moved underground. The last test explosion was in 1992. Despite the dangers and risks, greatly under-estimated at the time, of radiation exposure from the fallout, Las Vegas advertised the explosions as another tourist attraction and offered Atomic Cocktails in Sky Rooms that offered a great view of the mushroom clouds.

 

The influx of government employees for the Atomic Energy Commission and from the Mormon-controlled Bank of Las Vegas spearheaded by E. Parry Thomas during those years funded the growing boom in casinos. But Las Vegas was doing more than growing casinos. In 1948, McCarran Field was established for commercial air traffic. In 1957 The University of Las Vegas was established. In 1959 the Clark County Commission built the Las Vegas Convention Center, which would become a vital part of the area's economy. A new utility company, Southwest Gas expanded into Las Vegas in 1954.

 

Having a "wholesome" culture might make it *more* likely that Vegas would become a booming city of sin (i.e. Victorian England and the 1920's). You can count me in on whatever we're doing. As soon as we figure it out I'll set up a wiki.

[SpeedyB64]

Vegas it is then. :thumbsup: I should have researched Vegas in the 50s.

[mjjking]

plus i haaaaaatttteeee texas. . .(im from Oklahoma)^^ would love to see it destroyed.

 

 

 

Pshhhh ya damn Okie, then where would you go for tats? =p

 

Hey there. Been away for a bit. Sounds like TC was more of an "idea" guy. Hey, here's a basic idea, now someone run out and make it for me.

Anyway, settle on something, I nominate SpeedyB64 to head the project once we get settled on location and details.

 

uhhh. . .Assassin, tatoos are legal in Oklahoma now now. . . duh :whistling: :closedeyes: :thumbsup:

[ArrowofDesign]

Wiki is live (though currently very raw).

 

http://sincitydev.wikidot.com/system:join

 

If you're interested, send me a private message for the join password.

[dra6o0n]

I got an idea... take a black and white map, then dot the areas where Fallout 1-3 has occured and try to triangulate it to find it's "Bermuda"!

 

:P

[SpeedyB64]

dra6o0n very funny :rolleyes: I triangulated and that would make the place to be Wichita Kansas! I think that would be a total crap place to go.

 

ArrowofDesign Nice website! Will use! Many thanks! :thumbsup:

 

I guess the name will be Fallout: Sin City

 

I will make a new topic on the General mod talk forum for this titled Fallout: Sin City Project.

We should continue there because this is no longer just a request. So we can use the new thread for general talk with the whole community and to recruit members. We can use the new site ( http://sincitydev.wikidot.com/system:join ) to communicate with each other.

 

The new thread HERE

[linehand]

I don't get why not use New York.. That would be great.

Vegas would ok I guess, but NY would be a hundred times better.

 

Central Park, Liberty Island, Wall Street, Empire State, plus all kinds of little things like being surrounded by water and various other landscapes like the marshes and the woods.

 

Vegas is flat and surrounded by desert. If it is just that that one guy disappeared, I don't see how that should matter - NY is not his intellectual property. Just think of another cool name, like The Big Rotten Apple or Fallout NYC

[Mizoreofsnow]

You guys could always do las angeles or hollywood... I mean the main brotherhood of steel base is supposed to be in california.... if you ever listen carefully to elder lyons... Just a suggestion.