AnimeOtaku102 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Used games may be good for consumers, but they are terrible for the industry. When a game is sold used, the retailer gets all the money, the publishers and by extension the developer get's nothing. So I don't see the phasing out of used games as being a problem, I don't think the reduced price is worth shafting the developer. I'm not judging people who buy used, I understand why people would and I have bought used in the past, but I don't like doing it. I don't like the idea of it if that makes any sense. At least with Steam sales Valve doesn't walk away with all of the money, at least not as far as I know.Technically developers can't be shafted by used games sales (since they're typically paid a flat fee rather than have profit sharing contracts, on one hand they don't get to enjoy the monetary benefits of good sales, but on the other hand they're insulated from losses of bad sales), but it's true that publishers don't see a dime of second hand sales and it's understandable why they would take such initiative. I personally don't like the practice of restricting second hand sales, but my feelings are irrelevant and thus I'm not passing judgement on it; I'm just saying second hand sales used to be an advantage boxed copies had over digital copies, but that's becoming less true as time goes on. Eventually the only advantages boxed copies would have are the ability to install while offline (which I think the last Battlefield game actually didn't do? I remember complaints that the disc just installed Origin and proceeded to download the entire game) and something physical to cut into tiny pieces and send back to the publisher if it turns out to be an offensively bad game (which I've actually been tempted to do in the past with games like Lionheart and Omikron: The Nomad Soul). Fewer and fewer reasons to buy boxed copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjeet Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Which is all well and good if you know the owner or have been going to that store for years. Neither is true in my case however, the gamestores that I can get to without it being a hassle are an EB Games and a Gamestop. I don't have any relationship with either, they are places that sell games and that's it. Buying them on Steam is more convenient, it's faster, cheaper and Steam doesn't insist on selling me things I don't need because it's store policy. Steam let's me buy what I want, when I want. Add the frequent sales into the mix, which range from "A good deal" to "Ludicrously cheap" and Steam is for me personally by far the best option when it comes to buying games.Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. If you don't have to worry about who you buy it from there are far more advantages to online retailers than brick n' mortar stores. Even one of the traditional advantages of boxed copies, that being selling it back as a used copy - is slowly being chipped away with publishers like EA packaging content as DLCs (free only for new copies) and Sony patenting systems to ban used games.Used games may be good for consumers, but they are terrible for the industry. When a game is sold used, the retailer gets all the money, the publishers and by extension the developer get's nothing. So I don't see the phasing out of used games as being a problem, I don't think the reduced price is worth shafting the developer. I'm not judging people who buy used, I understand why people would and I have bought used in the past, but I don't like doing it. I don't like the idea of it if that makes any sense. At least with Steam sales Valve doesn't walk away with all of the money, at least not as far as I know. Look, I don't care what you people think but I've always lent my game discs to close friends. I can't keep a game installed indefinitely because hard drive space is always limited and there are just so many games and movies - discs are nice. My friends lend me games too, that way we can all play a few more than we can afford. All this may not be possible some years down the line but until then I can't say "f*** off cheap-skate" to the chaps who've always watched my back through all the adventures (and misadventures) of youth. I understand it is harmful for the industry but one can't be all law abiding and ethical all the time. We are gamers and fanboys - not priests! :teehee: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrgeNexus Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Used games may be good for consumers, but they are terrible for the industry. When a game is sold used, the retailer gets all the money, the publishers and by extension the developer get's nothing. So I don't see the phasing out of used games as being a problem, I don't think the reduced price is worth shafting the developer. I'm not judging people who buy used, I understand why people would and I have bought used in the past, but I don't like doing it. I don't like the idea of it if that makes any sense. At least with Steam sales Valve doesn't walk away with all of the money, at least not as far as I know.Technically developers can't be shafted by used games sales (since they're typically paid a flat fee rather than have profit sharing contracts, on one hand they don't get to enjoy the monetary benefits of good sales, but on the other hand they're insulated from losses of bad sales), but it's true that publishers don't see a dime of second hand sales and it's understandable why they would take such initiative. I personally don't like the practice of restricting second hand sales, but my feelings are irrelevant and thus I'm not passing judgement on it; I'm just saying second hand sales used to be an advantage boxed copies had over digital copies, but that's becoming less true as time goes on. Eventually the only advantages boxed copies would have are the ability to install while offline (which I think the last Battlefield game actually didn't do? I remember complaints that the disc just installed Origin and proceeded to download the entire game) and something physical to cut into tiny pieces and send back to the publisher if it turns out to be an offensively bad game (which I've actually been tempted to do in the past with games like Lionheart and Omikron: The Nomad Soul). Fewer and fewer reasons to buy boxed copies.It seems I was misinformed then, still, used games only benefit the retailer and the consumer. Obviously the consumer is extremely important, but if a publisher isn't making as much money as it wants to, guess who suffers? Developers. If your games aren't selling enough or if they're not deemed lucrative enough, you get shut down. My bottom line on the whole matter is this: I pay for my games because I believe in supporting the people who make them. I research games thoroughly before I buy them and very rarely do I end up with a game I hate, the few times it does happen is when I buy really cheap little games on a whim and even then it's not often. Most of the time, I buy games that I believe are well worth the 50€ price tag, often the price is lower than that for whatever reason. I do wish I could use Norwegian crowns to pay on Steam, but I can live with paying in euros. I use Steam mainly because it's convenient, fast and cheap. I don't have anything against physical copies, but for me personally the cons of physical games outweight the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FosterBear Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Wow... This discussion couldn't have gotten further from the topic. The question was regarding out of the way places and new quests discovered. I found a barrow underwater, north of Lakeview. I was swimming with a breath underwater artifact and low and behold there it was and there is a chest there. It does not lite up when you console to reveal all locations. Anyone else??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimeOtaku102 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 It seems I was misinformed then, still, used games only benefit the retailer and the consumer. Obviously the consumer is extremely important, but if a publisher isn't making as much money as it wants to, guess who suffers? Developers. If your games aren't selling enough or if they're not deemed lucrative enough, you get shut down.[...]Well, yes, there are some really minor details I'd quibble about, but that's just me being obsessive about details and I shouldn't hound you with it, since I don't disagree with your overall statement. Also, yeah, we really are drifting from the main topic. Hmm, unmarked discoveries. I remember the first one I made was that shrine to Talos with the murdered worshipers and the one dead Thalmor agent with the poor performance notice in his inventory. Poor guy wasn't hitting his quotas and got a bit desperate, it seems. Can't quite remember what the last one was, been paying too much attention to new mod content lately to note what I've been running across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjeet Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 Can anyone give me the precise location of Mammoth Fossil thingy I keep hearing about? Can't seem to find it. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus44 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Can anyone give me the precise location of Mammoth Fossil thingy I keep hearing about? Can't seem to find it. :( http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l511/ffa1mf/Skyrim/mammoth.jpg This mammoth? If 'yes', go to Saarthal, go towards the ocean a bit and then go west. Freaked me out the first time I saw it. I'd like to know the story behind the sunken ship in Lake Ilinalta. Edited January 23, 2013 by Tidus44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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