Help me figure out what's causing my ctd's.

[Dburwebby]

Ok so recently I deleted all my mods and decided I'll start downloading again just to help me organize and reduce the amount of mods I have. So I've started a new game, hell I even re-installed Skyrim just to make sure I might not run into any problems. Well turns out I have a lot of problems now. Most of these mods are texture mods I've used previously and never ran into problems. So I just re-downloaded mods that I thought were really important. So I got rid of most of the armor and weapon mods. So anyways, now most of my ctd's happen when I'm out of a city trying to explore. Either it crashes while loading, or once I fast traveled and it loaded it will crash after a few seconds. I'm run BOSS to sort the load order, uninstalled and re-installed mods in different combinations to see what's conflicting. Honestly I've spent like probably more than 3 hours each day for the past 3 days now trying to solve my problems. I hope you guys can help me narrow it down to what the problem is. Here's the load order, not sure if you guys need my mod list. I figured the load order might be more important. Some of the plugins were disabled but I enabled it all back again just for the sake of figuring out what's conflicting with what. Also my PC is able to run all these mods and have skyrim on the highest settings, so that shouldn't be a problem.

 

http://i.imgur.com/k5SwR.jpg

[Dburwebby]

I just did the whole Tes5edit thing and run boss again, and it's still crashing for me.

[bigv32]

Well, where to start lol. First off, a crash log would be a little more useful at narrowing down the issue at the current location. Now for some basic questions.

 

1. Are you crashing when you start a new game (the helgen scene) or can you make it past the first cave? Based on your description, I think you have, but a definitive yes or no is better than me guessing :).

2. When you run it, what does Boss give you on your BOSS Report?

3. Do you have/use TEXVEdit? If you have it and use it, does it give you any errors when it loads up the mod list? Note, just because it successfully loads them all, doesn't mean there are no errors. Look through the list on the right to see if says there are any errors.

4. Along the same lines as 3, do you have Wyre Bash and use it? If not, with a load order that long, you pretty much require a bashed patch (I recommend bashed patches over TESVedit merged patches right now).

5. Exactly which version of Claralux is that? If it is 2A, you should be okay there, but if it is 4A, that one has scripting problems and does cause crashes overtime. This will also show up in the log report.

6. You have Skyrim set ot ultra settings then. You should still set your shadows to high and not ultra. I have seen huge dips in performance because of the ultra settings. You won't see much of an increase in performance, but you won't see as many dips in performance.

7. Do you use the autosave feature? If so, turn it all off. Use the quick save feature and make actual save files often. Rewriting the same save file causes issues overtime and can ruin hour and hours of play.

8. VERY IMPORTANT: When you reinstalled Skyrim, do you delete the data folder after you uninstalled, or did you just leave it and let Skyrim reinstall? Sometimes things can still be left over from old mods even after they are removed that could cause issues with even a clean install.

 

The only mod I see you have that does have problems with larger load orders (that I see at this moment lol) is skytest. However, I don't see any other mods that could be causing an issue, plus you load order is not the largest I have seen with Skytest in it. I could go on and on with other possibilities, but it would be pointless without more info and a log file. If you post a log, please put it in a spoiler section so as to not take up a huge portion of the thread lol.

 

NOTE for myself later on and not relevant at this moment in time. (Check Grass mods in log file) Just a note so I remember something about this particular thread. I have seen a ton of load orders lately lol.

[Georgiegril]

It looks to me that you have a bunch of mods that BOSS doesn't recognize at the end of your list. It may help to place those with similar mods.

Also, you don't list your computer specs, but it looks to me like you have a lot of mods that spawn things...could be that you are overtaxing your memory.

 

I am assuming you read your BOSS log and fixed and warnings or error messages?

 

It could also be something you used to have, but removed incompletely. If you think of what you did just before the problem happened it may help you pinpoint the trigger.

 

EDIT: My post crossed with Bigv32's. What he says, too. :smile:

[Dburwebby]

Well, where to start lol. First off, a crash log would be a little more useful at narrowing down the issue at the current location. Now for some basic questions.

 

1. Are you crashing when you start a new game (the helgen scene) or can you make it past the first cave? Based on your description, I think you have, but a definitive yes or no is better than me guessing :).

2. When you run it, what does Boss give you on your BOSS Report?

3. Do you have/use TEXVEdit? If you have it and use it, does it give you any errors when it loads up the mod list? Note, just because it successfully loads them all, doesn't mean there are no errors. Look through the list on the right to see if says there are any errors.

4. Along the same lines as 3, do you have Wyre Bash and use it? If not, with a load order that long, you pretty much require a bashed patch (I recommend bashed patches over TESVedit merged patches right now).

5. Exactly which version of Claralux is that? If it is 2A, you should be okay there, but if it is 4A, that one has scripting problems and does cause crashes overtime. This will also show up in the log report.

6. You have Skyrim set ot ultra settings then. You should still set your shadows to high and not ultra. I have seen huge dips in performance because of the ultra settings. You won't see much of an increase in performance, but you won't see as many dips in performance.

7. Do you use the autosave feature? If so, turn it all off. Use the quick save feature and make actual save files often. Rewriting the same save file causes issues overtime and can ruin hour and hours of play.

8. VERY IMPORTANT: When you reinstalled Skyrim, do you delete the data folder after you uninstalled, or did you just leave it and let Skyrim reinstall? Sometimes things can still be left over from old mods even after they are removed that could cause issues with even a clean install.

 

The only mod I see you have that does have problems with larger load orders (that I see at this moment lol) is skytest. However, I don't see any other mods that could be causing an issue, plus you load order is not the largest I have seen with Skytest in it. I could go on and on with other possibilities, but it would be pointless without more info and a log file. If you post a log, please put it in a spoiler section so as to not take up a huge portion of the thread lol.

 

NOTE for myself later on and not relevant at this moment in time. (Check Grass mods in log file) Just a note so I remember something about this particular thread. I have seen a ton of load orders lately lol.

Didn’t know how to create a crash log but will look into how you do that after this post.

 

So I was crashing after I leave the first cave. So pretty much what happened was, I installed some mods on the 11th that made it worse, I then disabled all those mods and was still running into crashing problems. So last night I decided I’ll start a new game and a minute into it the game will crash now.

I used boss, it didn’t give me any errors besides saying that I need to use TESVEdit. Now here’s the thing, previously when I had more mods installed I got the same results, never cleaned anything with TESVEdit or use Wyre Bash. And the game ran fine and maybe rarely I would encounter a CTD but that was normal. Anyways I know each install might be different and new mod updates etc. so this time around things are different. I did use TESVEdit this time and cleaned things up, I’m not sure if I did it correctly but following some video I did and now Boss doesn’t give me any message for the mods saying to use it, so I’m assuming I did it correctly. However I am getting the “Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}” message which I used to get before as well. I installed Wyre Bash, and to be honest I can’t figure it out. I checked some thread where someone mentioned that it’s normal for it to display that message in BOSS, it has something to do with modders. I did however create the patch and enabled it but still no luck but then again it could be because I didn't do it correctly. I personally think I did, but, you never know.

I’m using the 2A version of Claralux.

My shadows are really high with the ini file edits I made, but again I didn’t have a problem before. I might try lowering them a bit.

I didn’t know about the auto save thing, will look into that as well.

And when I re-installed Skyrim I deleted everything, I even got rid of nexus mod manager stuff as well as the mods which I re-downloaded all over again just because I found that easier than to find mods I don’t need and delete that.

 

What I’m going to try doing as well is disable all mods and enabled them 1 by 1 this time on a new save and see how that goes. Again most of these mods I’m using are the same ones I’ve used before with many more mods installed at the time and I had no problem, so not sure of why it’s acting up now when I have fewer mods installed. But I’ll try some things you’ve mentioned today and see how it goes.

 

 

 

It looks to me that you have a bunch of mods that BOSS doesn't recognize at the end of your list. It may help to place those with similar mods.

Also, you don't list your computer specs, but it looks to me like you have a lot of mods that spawn things...could be that you are overtaxing your memory.

 

I am assuming you read your BOSS log and fixed and warnings or error messages?

 

It could also be something you used to have, but removed incompletely. If you think of what you did just before the problem happened it may help you pinpoint the trigger.

 

EDIT: My post crossed with Bigv32's. What he says, too. :smile:

Yeah I read my BOSS log, used TESVEdit to clean things. No errors besides that, and to be honest I didn't clean s*** before and everything worked fine when I had more mods installed. I've even checked if there might be some required mods I'm missing that I'm not running this time around but nothing I could fine. Same thing with my specs, it worked before but not now. Either way, I'm running on an i7, 12GB of RAM, GTX680, I don't know but I'd say it's decent enough since I was able to pull off more mods before with these specs. Actually I've upgraded too, before that I was running at 8GB on an ATI HD5850 with a s*** ton of mods as well, and with ini tweaks and I used to get low FPS during battles but no crashes or anything like that. So I doubt it's my specs but then again you could be right and I was just lucky before. Not sure, but either way I think I need to disable all my mods this time and just enable them one by one.

Edited January 13, 2013 by Dburwebby

[bigv32]

Don't worry about the bash tags. When you rebuild the patch, these are automatically added, so you don't need to worry about them.

 

You computer is more than capable or running Skyrim and any mod out there. The only thing I would ask is if you did the exact same ini tweaks etc as you did before? I am asking because I know that there are different tweaks that work for ATI graphics cards and others that work for Nividia cards. Doubt its your problem, but something to consider.

 

Based on your reply, I think I should have been a little more clear on my question as to where you are crashing. My bad. Based on your answer, you are crashing after you get out of the first cave at the start of the game. I should have asked how far lol. Are you crashing as soon as you leave the cave or is it a little ways down the road? Simply put, do you see the dragon fly overhead and which ever person you followed in front of you? If you do, how far can you make it into the game before a crash? Are the crashes all in the same location or is it somewhat random?

 

Like I said before, a crash log can help a lot in these cases. Go ahead and look at how to get them.

 

If you go a head and disable your mods, try this. Make the first mods you disable any mods that simply add items to the game (armor and weapon mods etc.). These rarely cause crashes, so checking them first and all at once can actually save a lot of time. Then disable any mods that affect how npcs act (follower mods etc. This does not include mods that just alter how they look). From there, next disable any mods that affects npcs at all (this include animals and any mods that alter how npcs look but not those that simply add more npcs). With the exception of Skytest, it is highly unlikely that any of these mods are causing your trouble. This is why we are doing these all at once. NOTE: Skytest can cause issues with load orders, but I don't think it is your issue here.

 

After this, remove any mods that add npcs (your immersive patrols mod is the main one that stands out but remove others that do similar things.) If you are still crashing, remove any other mods that affect npcs, animals, or any sort of "living thing" other than trees and plants. Follow this by removing mods that affect the weather and then mods that affect the terrain. At this point, you should only be left with the default Skyrim and any unofficial patches and maybe a few random mods. If you are still crashing, disable everything except vanilla Skyrim and test.

 

With only the vanilla esm's, play through till you get to Riverwood. If you don't crash then you start to reinstall mods. Only a few at a time obviously. DO NOT install any texture mods yet. You will want to see which mods are affecting just the vanilla game. Once you can play a while without crashes, then go a head and reinstall your texture packs. You could just skip straight and play the vanilla game and then reactivate the mods, but this way, you may catch the problem earlier and not have to uninstall everything. Its a personal choice though.

 

[EDIT1: when I say disable above, I actually should have said deactivate the mods so that they are completely uninstalled.]