Troubleshooting my load order; Game crashing

[schmidt00]

Hi Nexusmods.

I'm fairly new to modding my games and I've chosen Fallout 4 over Skyrim since I now have a chance to experience modding this particular game after years of getting held back by lacking the means to do so. Used to do 100+ mods on Skyrim without a problem but now I'm barely hitting 100 plugins and there has been problems that I cannot look or find.

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 DLCRobot.esm

2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm

3 3 DLCCoast.esm

4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm

5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm

6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm

7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

8 8 WorkshopFramework.esm

9 9 ArmorKeywords.esm

10 a HUDFramework.esm

11 b NAC.esm

12 c Arbitration - Resources.esm

13 d Loads.esm

14 e NewCalibers.esp

15 f SimSettlements.esm

16 10 PANPC.esm

254 FE 0 Flicker Fixer.esp

17 11 PlayerComments.esp

18 12 PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp

254 FE 1 spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp

19 13 CBBE.esp

254 FE 2 FAR.esp

20 14 VisibleWeapons.esp

21 15 Friffy_Holstered Weapons.esp

22 16 Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp

23 17 NAC-FarHarbor.esp

24 18 NAC-NukaWorld.esp

25 19 dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp

26 1a Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp

27 1b KSHairdos.esp

28 1c Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp

29 1d Lots More Facial Hair.esp

30 1e AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp

31 1f DYNAVISION.esp

32 20 The Eyes Of Beauty.esp

33 21 Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp

34 22 PA-Quick Animations.esp

35 23 PlayerComments_PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul_Patch.esp

36 24 Arbitration - Button Lowered Weapons.esp

37 25 LongRangeBulletHoles.esp

38 26 ShellRain.esp

39 27 Binoculars.esp

40 28 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp

41 29 K9TacticalHarness.esp

42 2a WastelandFashion.esp

43 2b WastelandFashionAccessories.esp

44 2c More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp

45 2d Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp

46 2e Realistic_conversations.esp

47 2f SOTS.esp

48 30 BostonFPSFixAIO.esp

49 31 3DNPC_FO4.esp

50 32 LBPAC.esp

51 33 Better Locational Damage.esp

52 34 LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp

53 35 BLD - Leveled Lists - DLC.esp

54 36 MojaveImports.esp

55 37 OutcastsAndRemnants.esp

56 38 Integration.esp

57 39 3dscopes-replacer.esp

58 3a Keep Radiants In Commonwealth.esp

59 3b PlayerComments_UFO4P_Patch.esp

60 3c Campsite.esp

61 3d Depravity.esp

62 3e Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp

63 3f America Rising - A Tale of the Enclave.esp

64 40 Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

65 41 PaladinBaileyRedRocket.esp

66 42 AA FusionCityRising.esp

67 43 W.A.T.Minutemen.esp

68 44 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

69 45 UniqueUniques.esp

70 46 PlayerComments_3DNPC_FO4_Patch.esp

71 47 3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp

72 48 NukaMarkers.esp

73 49 DOOMMerged.esp

74 4a ImprovedBoSRedux.esp

75 4b ImprovedBoSRedux-Uniforms.esp

76 4c ProjectValkyrie.esp

77 4d FO4 NPCs Travel.esp

78 4e llamaCompanionHeather.esp

79 4f AtomicRadio.esp

80 50 LBPAC AWKCR Patch.esp

81 51 CF_AtomicWarlord.esp

82 52 Immersive Fallout - Movement (DLC).esp

83 53 RAW INPUT.esp

84 54 Immersive Fallout - Real Recoil (DLC).esp

85 55 Immersive Fallout - Realistic ADS (DLC).esp

86 56 Immersive Fallout - Realistic Jumping.esp

87 57 Better Locational Damage - DLC_Automatron.esp

88 58 Better Locational Damage - DLC_Far_Harbor.esp

89 59 Better Locational Damage - DLC_Nuka_World.esp

90 5a Weapons of Fate.esp

91 5b Better Locational Damage - DLC_WWorkshop.esp

92 5c Better Perks.esp

93 5d Better VATS - 0.75.esp

94 5e NoCombatMusic.esp

95 5f Better Explosives - Grenade Frequency 30.esp

96 60 Better Explosives.esp

97 61 BE_Enhanced Grenades.esp

98 62 ImprovedBoSRedux-Vertibirds.esp

99 63 Armorsmith Extended.esp

100 64 llamaCompanionHeather-AE Patch.esp

101 65 RaiderOverhaul.esp

102 66 Synth Overhaul.esp

103 67 SuperMutantRedux.esp

104 68 SuperMutantRedux_ArmorSmithExtended.esp

105 69 Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp

106 6a StartMeUp.esp

107 6b PlayerCommentsStartMeUpPatch.esp

254 FE 3 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Keypoints:

• Reinstalled all of my mods an hour ago after cleaning select mods and making a bashed patch last night. It was crashing last night.

• Game went smooth, played around 30 mins.

• Game started crashing after getting the first Power Armor at Concord, specifically when the shootout happens and the Deathclaw emerged.

• I tried uninstalling Weapons of Fate, it worked but when entering the Museum and exiting, at the loading screen it crashed.

• I have not cleaned my mods now. Just made a bashed patch.

• There are 3 key areas where I experienced crashes: Near the Gunners bridge area while starting at some chapel through Start Me Up. This one crashed instantly for me; Concord, Minutemen museum. Deathclaw trigger crashed my game once; After removing Weapons of Fate since I saw crashing during firefights, it crashed when I finished the instance and leaving the Museum. Just now, discovered crashing on the Diamond City entrance, did not crashed on a second try but it crashed by going to some Super Mutant infested area near DC.

• Another set of reinstalling ones while following some of BiRaitBec's little mods on his modlist while removing Scrap Everything, Live Dismemberment and Extended weapon mods made the crashes faster. Especially on Sanctuary.

• Using ENBoost with 16gb RAM appropriate settings

• Using BethINI recommended tweaks on high.

Questions will be answered ASAP and with priority in ensuring I get more knowledge in optimal mod installing and fixing this problem ASAP. Thank you very much!

 

[Wererommel]

I looked at the list. Lots of potential conflicts there, but nothing jumps out at me. You do have a lot of older mods. (Realist Death Physics hails from 2016 and has 6 unresolved bug reports. Arbitration is also from 2016 and has 5.) You should be aware that the numerous updates before 2020 made many of the older mods obsolete or buggy. The number of endorsements is not a reliable guide for older mods. I would remove those that fall in this category. If that doesn't help, start looking for conflicts. The newest version of Vortex is pretty good at finding these.

Edited July 12, 2020 by Wererommel

[schmidt00]

I looked at the list. Lots of potential conflicts there, but nothing jumps out at me. You do have a lot of older mods. (Realist Death Physics hails from 2016 and has 6 unresolved bug reports. Arbitration is also from 2016 and has 5.) You should be aware that the numerous updates before 2020 made many of the older mods obsolete or buggy. The number of endorsements is not a reliable guide for older mods. I would remove those that fall in this category. If that doesn't help, start looking for conflicts. The newest version of Vortex is pretty good at finding these.

Good day sir.

 

I'm using MO2 as we speak. And in my understanding, the program holds all of my mods and not the Fallout 4 game folder itself. Is there a way to transfer mods from MO2 to this Vortex that you speak of? And yes. I will try to remove these mods as well. Though I must mention I'm using Buttoned Lowered Weapons and it needs the Arbitration ESM file.

[Wererommel]

Not 100% sure because I don't use MO, but the mods are normally stored in steamapps>common>Fallout 4>Data. You can copy them to the Desktop and install them manually from there.

 

Arbitration and Buttoned Lowered Weapons may not be the problem. There have been no bugs reported with Buttoned Lower Weapons.

[schmidt00]

Not 100% sure because I don't use MO, but the mods are normally stored in steamapps>common>Fallout 4>Data. You can copy them to the Desktop and install them manually from there.

 

Arbitration and Buttoned Lowered Weapons may not be the problem. There have been no bugs reported with Buttoned Lower Weapons.

 

I'm still troubleshooting because with every move it seems getting worse for me I think

[Wererommel]

You might want to make a back-up of your Data file before fiddling with it anymore.

[Ondrea]

I use MO2 as well. Wouldn't play without it. You've got a lot of resource intensive mods, many adding more NPCs. Since it's your first time modding FO4, I'd trim down that list at least on your first playthrough. And the settlement system in my experience has made FO4 a bit trickier to get stable than Skyrim. You've got a lot of mods I've never heard of. Check the bug forums of your various mods. You've got a large number of really big quest mods. I'd eliminate some and save them for a separate playthrough. Several gameplay overhauls. It's just a really heavy mod list. Trim down the heavy hitters and run them all through FO4Edit to check for conflicts.