Please help, I can't even play Skyrim any more because of this bug

[Deleted780509User]

I already completely turned autosave off, but I didn't know that overwriting hard saves could cause corruption. Someone else suggested that Blood On the Ice might be responsible, since the murder trigger happens usually about the 2nd time you approach the city, but it seems a little far fetched to me. And even if it was, wouldn't it be found in the papyrus log?

[ripple]

And even if it was, wouldn't it be found in the papyrus log?

 

Not necessarily. The papyrus log is not a 'crash log.'

 

I went through your BOSS log, and there are some problems:

 

1) when BOSS tells you to download TES5Edit and clean the esp it has identified as containing dirty edits, do it. Don't think about it, just download TES5Edit and follow the instructions on that page to clean those mods.

 

2) ignore not the BOSS, for the BOSS is wise. When BOSS tells you that you are using redundant esp's, for example:

 

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

Contains dirty edits: 14 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationk...uide_-_TES5Edit)

Cloaks - Player Only.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

 

...then you should follow the suggestion. It is also stated on the Cloaks of Skyrim page that you should use only one optional plugin. If you want no NPCs to spawn with cloaks, use the 'player only' option. If you want NPCs except imperial legions to spawn with cloaks, then use the 'no imperial' plugin. If you want all NPCs to have a chance of spawning with cloaks, then don't use any of the optional plugins because that is what the default plugin does. You will also need Wrye Bash to generate a Bashed Patch that will merge the leveled list edits, because....

 

3) you are using a number of 'give more stuff to NPCs' mods (CoS, Immersive Weapons, etc.). You will need Wrye Bash to generate a Bashed Patch which will merge the conflicting leveled lists edits. Again, don't think about this, just do it.

 

4) Realistic Lighting is not compatible with Climates of Tameriel. Choose one, uninstall the other.

 

5) SkyTest has been reported to be unstable with a large load order. The author even states that on the mod description page (ignore not the README's, the README's are also wise). Consider removing SkyTest to see if it stabilizes your game. In fact, you should consider trimming your load order by uninstalling mods that you can play without. Mods that add more spawns to the worldspace will make worldspace travel inherently more unstable (skytest, warzones, etc.). It's not the mod's fault, but a limitation of the game engine. This is why vanilla Skyrim suffers from a depopulation problem, because the developers know if they add more stuff, like armies of bandits instead of just 2 or 3 per wave, the game will become unstable, and they don't want players to realize how badly this engine is aging. I suggest you choose just one 'spawn-related overhaul mod' and remove the others.

 

6) If you want a stable Skyrim experience, I recommend you trim the load order (proper uninstall, not simply delete), clean the remaining mods identified by BOSS as in need of cleaning, use TES5Edit to check out the esp's not recognized by BOSS (I am betting there are a few in that load order), set their load order, Bash Patch it, and start a brand new game (so you don't have to deal with CTDs, bugs, and spammy papyrus logs resulting from crap baked into your save games by mods you no longer use), in that order.

Edited January 24, 2013 by ripple

[Deleted780509User]

I already cleaned everything a few days ago.

 

All my .esps are carefully selected and I downloaded every available compatibility patch that BOSS and I could find.

 

I never downloaded Wrye Bash because I was under the impression that it would not work properly with NMM. I'll download it, but I don't think there any compatibility issues between any of my inventory editing mods besides PHT.

 

As for CoT and RL, I didn't know that.

 

I'll uninstall SkyTest then.

 

Only one .esp, the addon .esp from SuperB ENB-RL, is not recognized in my load order. Everything else was recognized and cleaned.

Edited January 24, 2013 by Guest

[Jason2112]

Bump, I installed ATTK, it doesn't help. I still crash most of the time when fast traveling to the Windhelm area. I just did Rise in the East, now I crash whenever I try to return to Skyrim with Adelaisa. What else can I do? I cleaned all the dirty edits, I tried disabling all my high-memory using mods, I tried disabling all my .esps (that I could anyway) and that did nothing. There's nothing else I can do...

 

If ATTK didn't get you rolling right You can sure it's a mod conflict or mod order.

[Deleted780509User]

And even if it was, wouldn't it be found in the papyrus log?

 

Not necessarily. The papyrus log is not a 'crash log.'

 

I went through your BOSS log, and there are some problems:

 

1) when BOSS tells you to download TES5Edit and clean the esp it has identified as containing dirty edits, do it. Don't think about it, just download TES5Edit and follow the instructions on that page to clean those mods.

 

2) ignore not the BOSS, for the BOSS is wise. When BOSS tells you that you are using redundant esp's, for example:

 

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

Contains dirty edits: 14 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationk...uide_-_TES5Edit)

Cloaks - Player Only.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

 

...then you should follow the suggestion. It is also stated on the Cloaks of Skyrim page that you should use only one optional plugin. If you want no NPCs to spawn with cloaks, use the 'player only' option. If you want NPCs except imperial legions to spawn with cloaks, then use the 'no imperial' plugin. If you want all NPCs to have a chance of spawning with cloaks, then don't use any of the optional plugins because that is what the default plugin does. You will also need Wrye Bash to generate a Bashed Patch that will merge the leveled list edits, because....

 

3) you are using a number of 'give more stuff to NPCs' mods (CoS, Immersive Weapons, etc.). You will need Wrye Bash to generate a Bashed Patch which will merge the conflicting leveled lists edits. Again, don't think about this, just do it.

 

4) Realistic Lighting is not compatible with Climates of Tameriel. Choose one, uninstall the other.

 

5) SkyTest has been reported to be unstable with a large load order. The author even states that on the mod description page (ignore not the README's, the README's are also wise). Consider removing SkyTest to see if it stabilizes your game. In fact, you should consider trimming your load order by uninstalling mods that you can play without. Mods that add more spawns to the worldspace will make worldspace travel inherently more unstable (skytest, warzones, etc.). It's not the mod's fault, but a limitation of the game engine. This is why vanilla Skyrim suffers from a depopulation problem, because the developers know if they add more stuff, like armies of bandits instead of just 2 or 3 per wave, the game will become unstable, and they don't want players to realize how badly this engine is aging. I suggest you choose just one 'spawn-related overhaul mod' and remove the others.

 

6) If you want a stable Skyrim experience, I recommend you trim the load order (proper uninstall, not simply delete), clean the remaining mods identified by BOSS as in need of cleaning, use TES5Edit to check out the esp's not recognized by BOSS (I am betting there are a few in that load order), set their load order, Bash Patch it, and start a brand new game (so you don't have to deal with CTDs, bugs, and spammy papyrus logs resulting from crap baked into your save games by mods you no longer use), in that order.

 

 

I just did everything you said, except for trimming the load order.

 

- I removed SkyTest and Climates of Tamriel.

 

- I generated a Bashed Patch for the leveled lists, it merged a few .esps.

 

- I started a new game.

 

The crashing still happens whenever I load into Windhelm Stables on the old save(s) so I guess I will have to wait and see if a new game fixes it. If not then something is terribly wrong.

 

BOSS log:

 

 

These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

 

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

Dawnguard.esm Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

HearthFires.esm Active

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Active

SPIKE.esm Active

TravellersOfSkyrim.esm Active

WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm Active

HighResTexturePack01.esp Active

HighResTexturePack02.esp Active

KR - Whiterun gate light fix.esp Active

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active

Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp Active

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Active

Realistic Lighting.esp Active

Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp Active

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Skyrim.esp Active

Note: Use Remove Interior Fog V2 - Dawnguard.esp in addition to include Dawnguard locations.

Note: Use Remove Interior Fog V2 - Hearthfire.esp in addition to include Hearthfires locations.

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Dawnguard.esp Active

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Hearthfire.esp Active

PersonalizedMusic_v5.0.esp Active

PersonalizedMusic - NoVanillaMusic_v5.0.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp Active

Note: For 'WAF+SPO+CCO' users. No conflicts with 'Smithing Perks Overhaul' and 'Complete Crafting Overhaul'.(checked in FNVEdit)

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active

Birdsofskyrim.esp Active

Bring Out Your Dead.esp Active

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Active

hqsnow.esp Active

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-4.esp

Note: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp.

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-3.esp

Note: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp.

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-2.esp

Note: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp.

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-1.esp

Note: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp.

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - default.esp Active

Note: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp.

People Have Torches.esp Active

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active

TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp Active

Convenient Horses.esp Active

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp Active

Footprints.esp Active

WetandCold.esp Active

SkyUI.esp Active

iHUD.esp Active

Cloaks.esp Active

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

Cloaks - Player Only.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp

Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.

1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp

Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.

Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim (even with compatibility patch). To fix this use another WICCloaks esp or uninstall cloaks of skyrim.

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp Active

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-No Imp.esp

Incompatible with: 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp Active

Complete Crafting Overhaul - BS version.esp Active

Note: Will conflict with mods that modify existing recipes.

buildablehouse.esp Active

Run For Your Lives.esp Active

When Vampires Attack.esp Active

SkyrimChimneys.esp Active

SkyrimChimneysRW.esp Active

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Normal Weight).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Normal Weight).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active

FA Guard Helmet.esp Active

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active

Headtracking.esp Active

Immersive Weapons.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

moredeathreloadtime.esp

Riften Bigger Trees.esp Active

Skyrim bigger trees.esp Active

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active

dD-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp Active

torches for realistic lighting.esp Active

Unique Region Names.esp Active

Populated Cities 2.esp Active

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active

Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.

Better Vampires.esp Active

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Active

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Active

The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition.esp Active

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Active

Note: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page.

UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp Active

UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp Active

UFO - AllwaysDrawWeapons.esp Active

TravellersOfSkyrim - UFO Compatibility Patch.esp Active

My Home Is Your Home.esp Active

Spousetocustomhome.esp Active

Volrath - Enhanced Lights and Fixes - non-RCRN - Lanterns Of Skyrim.esp Active

WATER.esp Active

PlayerHomeMapMarkers.esp Active

Compatibility patch - PHT, CoS, WIC IA.esp Active

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active

 

 

 

[Deleted780509User]

And even if it was, wouldn't it be found in the papyrus log?

 

Not necessarily. The papyrus log is not a 'crash log.'

 

I went through your BOSS log, and there are some problems:

 

1) when BOSS tells you to download TES5Edit and clean the esp it has identified as containing dirty edits, do it. Don't think about it, just download TES5Edit and follow the instructions on that page to clean those mods.

 

2) ignore not the BOSS, for the BOSS is wise. When BOSS tells you that you are using redundant esp's, for example:

 

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

Contains dirty edits: 14 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationk...uide_-_TES5Edit)

Cloaks - Player Only.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

 

...then you should follow the suggestion. It is also stated on the Cloaks of Skyrim page that you should use only one optional plugin. If you want no NPCs to spawn with cloaks, use the 'player only' option. If you want NPCs except imperial legions to spawn with cloaks, then use the 'no imperial' plugin. If you want all NPCs to have a chance of spawning with cloaks, then don't use any of the optional plugins because that is what the default plugin does. You will also need Wrye Bash to generate a Bashed Patch that will merge the leveled list edits, because....

 

3) you are using a number of 'give more stuff to NPCs' mods (CoS, Immersive Weapons, etc.). You will need Wrye Bash to generate a Bashed Patch which will merge the conflicting leveled lists edits. Again, don't think about this, just do it.

 

4) Realistic Lighting is not compatible with Climates of Tameriel. Choose one, uninstall the other.

 

5) SkyTest has been reported to be unstable with a large load order. The author even states that on the mod description page (ignore not the README's, the README's are also wise). Consider removing SkyTest to see if it stabilizes your game. In fact, you should consider trimming your load order by uninstalling mods that you can play without. Mods that add more spawns to the worldspace will make worldspace travel inherently more unstable (skytest, warzones, etc.). It's not the mod's fault, but a limitation of the game engine. This is why vanilla Skyrim suffers from a depopulation problem, because the developers know if they add more stuff, like armies of bandits instead of just 2 or 3 per wave, the game will become unstable, and they don't want players to realize how badly this engine is aging. I suggest you choose just one 'spawn-related overhaul mod' and remove the others.

 

6) If you want a stable Skyrim experience, I recommend you trim the load order (proper uninstall, not simply delete), clean the remaining mods identified by BOSS as in need of cleaning, use TES5Edit to check out the esp's not recognized by BOSS (I am betting there are a few in that load order), set their load order, Bash Patch it, and start a brand new game (so you don't have to deal with CTDs, bugs, and spammy papyrus logs resulting from crap baked into your save games by mods you no longer use), in that order.

 

 

I just did everything you said, except for trimming the load order.

 

- I removed SkyTest and Climates of Tamriel.

 

- I generated a Bashed Patch for the leveled lists, it merged a few .esps.

 

- I started a new game.

 

The crashing still happens whenever I load into Windhelm Stables on the old save(s) so I guess I will have to wait and see if a new game fixes it. If not then something is terribly wrong.

 

BOSS log (note that the .esps that can only be activated one at a time are only INSTALLED, not ACTIVATED, thanks):

 

 

These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

 

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

Dawnguard.esm Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

HearthFires.esm Active

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Active

SPIKE.esm Active

TravellersOfSkyrim.esm Active

WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm Active

HighResTexturePack01.esp Active

HighResTexturePack02.esp Active

KR - Whiterun gate light fix.esp Active

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active

Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp Active

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Active

Realistic Lighting.esp Active

Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp Active

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Skyrim.esp Active

Note: Use Remove Interior Fog V2 - Dawnguard.esp in addition to include Dawnguard locations.

Note: Use Remove Interior Fog V2 - Hearthfire.esp in addition to include Hearthfires locations.

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Dawnguard.esp Active

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Hearthfire.esp Active

PersonalizedMusic_v5.0.esp Active

PersonalizedMusic - NoVanillaMusic_v5.0.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp Active

Note: For 'WAF+SPO+CCO' users. No conflicts with 'Smithing Perks Overhaul' and 'Complete Crafting Overhaul'.(checked in FNVEdit)

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active

Birdsofskyrim.esp Active

Bring Out Your Dead.esp Active

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Active

hqsnow.esp Active

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - 2x Brighter.esp Active

Note: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp.

People Have Torches.esp Active

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active

TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp Active

Convenient Horses.esp Active

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp Active

Footprints.esp Active

WetandCold.esp Active

SkyUI.esp Active

iHUD.esp Active

Cloaks.esp Active

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

Cloaks - Player Only.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp

Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.

1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp

Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.

Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim (even with compatibility patch). To fix this use another WICCloaks esp or uninstall cloaks of skyrim.

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp Active

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-No Imp.esp

Incompatible with: 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp Active

Complete Crafting Overhaul - BS version.esp Active

Note: Will conflict with mods that modify existing recipes.

buildablehouse.esp Active

Run For Your Lives.esp Active

When Vampires Attack.esp Active

SkyrimChimneys.esp Active

SkyrimChimneysRW.esp Active

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Normal Weight).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Normal Weight).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active

FA Guard Helmet.esp Active

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active

Headtracking.esp Active

Immersive Weapons.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

moredeathreloadtime.esp

Riften Bigger Trees.esp Active

Skyrim bigger trees.esp Active

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active

dD-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp Active

torches for realistic lighting.esp Active

Unique Region Names.esp Active

Populated Cities 2.esp Active

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active

Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.

Better Vampires.esp Active

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Active

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Active

The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition.esp Active

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Active

Note: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page.

UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp Active

UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp Active

UFO - AllwaysDrawWeapons.esp Active

TravellersOfSkyrim - UFO Compatibility Patch.esp Active

My Home Is Your Home.esp Active

Spousetocustomhome.esp Active

Volrath - Enhanced Lights and Fixes - non-RCRN - Lanterns Of Skyrim.esp Active

WATER.esp Active

PlayerHomeMapMarkers.esp Active

Compatibility patch - PHT, CoS, WIC IA.esp Active

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active

 

[unrecognized]

 

Superb ENB-RL Lighting Addon.esp Active

You Are Dead.esp Active

 

Edited January 24, 2013 by Guest

[Deleted780509User]

New game, just out of Helgen keep, visited Windhelm (went inside), fast traveled to Helgen, waited 8 days for good measure, then fast traveled to Windhelm Stables.

 

Guess what?

 

Crash.

 

Lot of good all that did huh?

Edited January 24, 2013 by Guest

[Deleted780509User]

The thing I don't understand is, if it's a mod causing this, why is it letting my fast travel there early on in my game, but after some time passes away from there it causes me to crash when I load the area? I don't think a texture or model mod would do that. In fact I don't know what kind of mod would cause that, besides maybe Warzones.

 

And, considering I appear to be the only person that I've been able to find with a problem as unique as this, I don't know how I'm supposed to find what's responsible since every mod I download has no reports of any situation like the one I'm having. I tried this on vanilla and it didn't happen, it's not a performance problem, and from what I can tell, papyrus isn't reporting anything unusual... why couldn't Bethesda just give us a crash log option? I'm not cycling through 100+ mods to look for an individual culprit, and then trying combinations to see if that causes it. It would take forever. So I need someone to actually help me here.

Edited January 24, 2013 by Guest

[Deleted780509User]

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