Stability issues in Skyrim

[ripple]

No problem.

[AndrealphusVIII]

There hasn't been released a new version of Optimizer Texture ( http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/12801 ) for a while.

 

I'm still using the latest version (pre-Dragonborn 0.8.3). I was wondering: Is it safe to use on the DB BSA-file already?

[ripple]

Shouldn't be an issue, since it just compresses textures, but you shouldn't need to compress the default game textures. If you need the performance boosts, it's better to play with lower texture game settings.

[AndrealphusVIII]

I started a new game with this load order:

 

 

 

• 00 Skyrim.esm

• 01 Update.esm

• 02 Dawnguard.esm

• 03 HearthFires.esm

• 04 Dragonborn.esm

• 05 SPIKE.esm

• 06 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 1.3.0]

• 07 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 1.2.0]

• 08 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]

• 09 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

• 0A Chesko_Frostfall.esp

• 0B Convenient Horses.esp

• 0C Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp

• 0D SkyUI.esp

• 0E Cloaks.esp

• 0F 1nivWICCloaks.esp [Version 2.2]

• 10 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp [Version 2.2]

• 11 DragonbornArmorFix.esp

• 12 hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

• 13 LPotD Armor.esp

• 14 ERSO 03 - Nightmare Mighty Dragons.esp (inactive)

• 14 ERSO 03 - Super Mighty Dragons.esp (inactive)

• 14 ERSO 03 - Mighty Dragons.esp

• 15 ERSO 04 - Mighty Odahviing.esp

• 16 ERSO 04.2 - Mighty Durnehviir.esp

• 17 ERSO 05 - Dovah Holy Book.esp

• 18 ERSO 07 - Super Mighty Dragon Priests.esp (inactive)

• 18 ERSO 07 - Mighty Dragon Priests.esp

• 19 ERSO 08.1 - ERSO SUPER MIRAAK.esp (inactive)

• 19 ERSO 08.1 - ERSO MIRAAK.esp

• 1A ERSO 08.2 - ERSO HARKON.esp

• 1B ERSO 09 - Vendor Trainer Quest-giver protected.esp

• 1C ERSO 21.01 PM Dungeons.esp

• 1D ERSO 21.02 PM Blackreach.esp

• 1E ERSO 21.03 PM Dwemer.esp

• 1F Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp

• 20 AchieveThat.esp

• 21 Immersive Weapons.esp

• 22 Unique Region Names.esp

• 23 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

• 24 RND_USKP-Patch.esp

• 25 RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

• 26 RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

• 27 RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

• 28 SkyRe_Main.esp

• 29 SkyRe_Combat.esp

• 2A SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp

• 2B SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

• 2C SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp

• 2D SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp

• 2E SkyRe_StandingStones.esp

• 2F SkyRe_Survivalism.esp

• 30 EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp

• 31 UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

• 32 UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp

• 33 UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp

• 34 Follower Trap Safety.esp

• ++ moveitLWT.esp

• 35 SkyRe_Races.esp

• 36 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

• 37 ReProccer.esp

• 38 ReProccerNONPLAYERfix.esp

• 39 ReProccerDragonborn.esp

 

 

 

Problems/Questions I came across:

 

1. Most bandits don't seem to have any weapons. So they're running around unarmed. I think this is because of SkyRe/ReProccer, but I'm not sure.

 

2. Is it just me or has the difficulty of SkyRe been greatly decreased? I remember the bandit camps being super hard to clear in my previous saves. Now I can just run in and kill them at my first try without much effort. (It could be because I'm no longer using ASIS)

 

3. I'm thinking of using ASIS again. Which mods (of my load order) should be put in Mod Exclusions,... ?

 

4. Any other advice to make combat more challenging/immersive?

 

On a side note: I'm probably upgrading my PC soon. I'm going to upgrade my GPU to a Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 GHz Edition (2 GB). So I might be able to use more mods. Fingers crossed though.

 

Thanks in advance

Andre

[ripple]

NPCs with missing gears is typically a leveled lists problem. You started the new game *after* you rebuilt the Bashed Patch, right (if you didn't, then you have to wait for a cell reset for the NPCs to respawn with the correctly assigned gears)? Unfortunately, I don't use SkyRe, so I couldn't really tell you if the ReProccer is causing this, or what would be considered normal SkyRe behaviour.

 

I don't recommend ASIS for this set up. Keep in mind what I mentioned before about mods that add more spawns and spawn points to the worldspace. The Skyrim engine is aging poorly, at some point you'll hit the limit of the engine's capacity, no matter how powerful your (new) rig may be. A new GPU will allow you to use more hi-res texture packs, but won't solve the CPU stress from having to render too many AI's or running scripts. Of course, you can play around to see how far you can push it, best done by slowly and gradually adding mods and keeping save games that you can 'go back to' in case a mod turns out to cause issues.

Edited February 28, 2013 by ripple

[AndrealphusVIII]

Thanks for your quick reply again. :)

 

 

NPCs with missing gears is typically a leveled lists problem. You started the new game *after* you rebuilt the Bashed Patch, right (if you didn't, then you have to wait for a cell reset for the NPCs to respawn with the correctly assigned gears)? Unfortunately, I don't use SkyRe, so I couldn't really tell you if the ReProccer is causing this, or what would be considered normal SkyRe behaviour.

 

1. Well, before I started I created a new Bashed Patch. But when I began smithing in Riverwood, I noticed (in the smithing window at the forge) that I had the option to smith "Iron Tanto" and "Iron Sabre" (and some others as well) twice.

So, then I deleted both my Bashed Patch and the ReProccer Patch in the "overwrite" option in MO, and rebuilt them afterwards. Could that have been the reason?

 

To fix this, I just have to wait 31 days indoors to make the cells reset, right?

 

 

I don't recommend ASIS for this set up. Keep in mind what I mentioned before about mods that add more spawns and spawn points to the worldspace. The Skyrim engine is aging poorly, at some point you'll hit the limit of the engine's capacity, no matter how powerful your (new) rig may be.

 

2. Okay, I'll try and avoid using ASIS then. I noticed though that the difficulty setting of SkyRe has been decreased. But I still like SkyRe for the new perks and spells it provides, plus the fact that it uses perks for Frostfall and the upcoming Last Seed mod.

 

3. I tried some of the ERSO mods. I really like the ones who boost the dragons (Mighty Dragons, dragon priests and DLC bosses (Miraak and Harkon). There are some ERSO mods that modify NPCs as well, but they only seem to work with Vanilla perks. And since I use the perks from SkyRe, it's pretty hard to make them work 100% correct with each other. Plus some of ERSO NPC mods also increase spawns which may cause the same issues as ASIS? (correct me if i'm wrong though)

 

I'm just looking for some mods that make combat more challenging. But the standard perks are - in my opinion - a little unbalanced. (eg: around 500 armor rating (roughly 80% less dmg) is the cap, which you can reach at later levels by just wearing Improved Light Armor or even Steel Armor, which is - in my opinion - a little overpowered) That's why I like the SkyRe perks more. Although they're not 100% balanced, they offer me something more challenging.

 

Maybe it's time for me to try an alternative for SkyRe? But still make the game harder and the perks more interesting.

 

Thanks in advance

[fiewiel]

There is the console command resetinterior for resetting cells http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Console

Never used it personally so no clue if its safe.

If its all about combat this might be helpful http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1446576-combat-mods-your-opinion/

[korun]

 

b) Strange behaviour:

When I load a save file In which:

-I'm mounted on my horse: My horse moves randomly, flying in the air, etc

For this i can insure you, nothing related with Viljia or CH, it's a bug engine, i use CH for long now, horses are flying sometimes with or without the mod, you just have to hit "E" then the horse stop there. i've had this bug too when running CH, even after un- installed it properly (stopquestCH etc..) i was still flying in the same area near Windhelm and i've fly again without the mod in Hjaarlmarch on other playthrougt

 

then ERSO is one of the best set of mods around, because, they are not using script at all, except for 2 modules which are made by other modders than Erkeil, i'm using Super Mighty dragon/priest etc.. + Duel + Skyrim unleashed which are great!

it's totaly script free, and you have the same result as Sky REdone, i recommend all of them to everyone who want's a high-adept game :wink:

on one of my current game profile, my char is lvl 16 with a time played where usualy i'm 35/40 already

 

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Edited March 1, 2013 by korun

[ripple]

1) ERSO's NPC plugin enhances NPCs by assigning them perks and adjusting their levels. It doesn't increase the number of respawning MOBs, so it won't tax your game stability like ASIS increased spawn.

 

2) Rebuilding the Bashed Patch should be fine, given that you started a new game with a newly rebuilt Bashed Patch that (I assume) merged conflicting leveled lists edits. So it's weird that you have NPCs without weapons. Duplicate crafting recipes is also not a good sign and should definitely not be happening. It could be ReProccer causing this but since I don't use it, I just can't say for certain.

 

3) I don't have too many suggestions for making combat more difficult. You can try atlernatives like ACE (which I believe is script free). In my own setup, I edited the game setting to reduce 'fArmorScalingFactor' (from 12 to 8 ) and increase 'fMaxArmorRating' (from 80 to 95), which means a higher cap for AR but more difficult to achieve it. Enhanced stats dragons from Deadly Dragons hurt me so bad :(

Edited March 1, 2013 by ripple

[korun]

@Ripple sorry if i jump on "your" post frequently, i just want to say try or check Duel, it's a really good improvement of all the npc AI, you can't run anymore in battle with it and if you add SUnleashed which is developped for, in purpose, you'll need a follower or go in the woods killing deers to grow up a bit ;)

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