New Power armour wip

[Tagaziel]

Ok so if the idea of "Power Armour from other countries" is out of the question, what about customized models by individuals like models made by ex-enclave/BoS engineers, a third tech heavy group (situated somewhere else in the US), or unique armours that have come about because the owner didn't have the proper replacement parts (for example helmet 2 looks like someone had to replace the top part of it with a combat helmet or German WWII souvenir helmet...).

 

I mean there are plenty of ways to explain why certain armours look unique compared to the more standardised types we see in the games.

 

I never said anything that customized models are bad, on the contrary they'd be awesome!

 

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images//d/de/Tribal_PA_helmet.jpg

 

The original concept for the Fallout 2 cover. Customized tribal Power Armour helmet?

 

A-WE-SO-ME. Same for makeshift repairs or even welding on standard helmets to patch damage. What I have an issue with are foreign powered armour projects, which did not exist.

 

I'd like to see foreign power armor.

In the case of the European Commonwealth breaking up into nation states...it doesn't mean that the individual states can't come up w/ something on their own (especially the Germans, if you're going for that stereotyped source of 'high tech stuff from europe'. though I can't see why the Belgians, the French, the Swiss, etc. can't come up w/ something, too).

 

If anything (heh...requesting the same stuff again), I want Jin-roh-esque/Protect Gear-esque armor and power armor. Fluff explanation? History somewhat repeating itself: from nation states, small empires (France, Holy Roman Empire, etc.). Can't see why one can't have a resurgent HRE built from the scraps of whatever was left after the bombs fell (a similar idea is presented by another group, the Valhalla Project, I think...tho' I don't think they'll be doing power armor).

 

Heck, if anyone can model the stuff, I can provide 2D art for concept purposes...

 

But small nation states would be unable to even start a powered armour project, simply because of lack of resources in Europe, civil unrest and war and WILL. Why invest resources into something that doesn't have to yield any results if you can pool them into maintaining already available equipment and grabbing whatever resources you can lay your hands on?

 

"The idea of power armour from other countries" is not out of the question.

As was mentioned before, there are no known facts about the European "history" between 2060 and 2277.

The only fact is, basically: "Some time after the war ended, as the Middle Eastern oil fields went dry in 2060 and European Commonwealth dissolved into quarreling nation states fighting for the remaining resources. " Source: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/European_Commonwealth

Well... Quarreling and fighting? That doesn't have to mean, that there were "hot" conflicts. "Fights" can also be verbal, as we all surely know. It would make no sense for the EC, strategically and economically to split up entirely, especially if the EC-internal nations had a consolidated budget, and research programmes.

 

The European Commonwealth dissolved. Broke apart. Fragmented. Stopped existing.

 

You are applying our modern way of thinking, in a world in a state of relative peace and prosperity. The Commonwealth in the latter half of the 21st century was more akin to Europe in the 1930s rather than 1990s, and the dissolution of the EC is quite like the League of Nations fiasco.

 

Also, pray tell, why would the countries scream at each other if it was far more effective to simply pool resources and invade? It's a far more likely scenario in a desperate, resource-starved Europe.

 

If there was a splitup, it's highly likely that it wasn't a permanent one.

But even if there was a war between the European nations...

No resources anymore, but they were able to fight eachother? As we can see, in our world, and in the Fallout world, war "drives" technological progress.

 

IF THEY HAVE RESOURCES.

 

That's the entire point of the dissolution of the Commonwealth - the countries grew desperate and in panic started fighting each other for control over the last of the resources. There was no technological progress, just desperation.

 

So, either they developed new, alternative resources and energy-sources in unity as the EC, or as "quarreling nation states", or not at all. For all we know - anything IS possible.

Another point is, since the EC was "down" after the Resource Wars... It wouldn't have posed such a great threat to the Chinese, and surely wouldn't have been such a great target for their nuclear bombs and missiles, therefore - easier to rebuild society and economy.

 

For all we know, Europe could've been an irradiated hellhole by 2077, due to limited nuclear exhcange between the countries (and nuclear weapons they had, as in 2054 limited nuclear exchange happened in the Middle East). It's also unlikely that Europe would not be hit by nuclear weapons, as in the two brief hours on the 23rd October 2077, pretty much everyone was launching birds.

 

In Fallout 1 & 2 (which I did not play, I have to admit), the best weapons like the Gauss Rifle and Pistol were European made. So they certainly had the technological expertise.

 

I always assumed they were weapons designed by Germany for use in the Resource Wars.

 

One other thing, no idea how much of a fact this is: In Fallout 3 was something like this mentioned (i think), "...when Colin Moriarty came to this country...". He has an irish accent, so it's quite possible, that he's originally from Europe, thus, he was somehow able to cross the Atlantic Ocean.

 

We've been discussing it to death on NMA, and it's simply not fitting. Besides, Bethesda's knowledge of Fallout isn't exactly spotless.

 

Much can happen within 217 years. And if Europe didn't get as badly hit as the US, it's highly probable that they were able to "maintain civilisation", or rebuild it easier. Much could have happened in Europe in those 217 years, childish pre-Great War-quarrels aside.

 

Not that much, as Europe would be lacking resources.

 

And even if they didn't have any known power armour at the time of the Resource Wars or the Great War, there's no reason why they shouldn't have it somewhen between 2077 and 2277.

 

How. How would they develop it on a continent devoid of resources and wrought by unrest and wars? Where would they get fusion power plants small enough to power those systems? Let me remind you that the first fusion cell was unveiled six years after the Commonwealth's dissolution.

[Legeadus]

Since you were so busy quoting, you seem to have missed the content of one of my sentences:

 

"So, either they developed new, alternative resources and energy-sources in unity as the EC, or as "quarreling nation states", or not at all. For all we know - anything IS possible."

 

Research for alternative resources would also only further diplomatic relations within a possibly broken EC.

As I said, for all we know, anything could be possible. There are no facts against it, and you certainly delivered none.

 

"There was no technological progress, just desperation. "

Thats a bold claim, not a fact.

 

That being said, it's fitting to repeat myself...

 

"Much can happen within 217 years. And if Europe didn't get as badly hit as the US, it's highly probable that they were able to "maintain civilisation", or rebuild it easier. Much could have happened in Europe in those 217 years, childish pre-Great War-quarrels aside."

[Tagaziel]

Since you were so busy quoting, you seem to have missed the content of one of my sentences:

 

"So, either they developed new, alternative resources and energy-sources in unity as the EC, or as "quarreling nation states", or not at all. For all we know - anything IS possible."

 

Research for alternative resources would also only further diplomatic relations within a possibly broken EC.

 

It wasn't *broken*. It wasn't *at all*. Ceased to exist. Kicked the bucket. Pushed the daisies.

 

In 2060, much like the United Nations eight years before, the European Commonwealth simply disappeared from the political map. That's the dictionary definition of dissolve.

 

All that remained was a bunch of quarreling nation states in no condition to research anything high tech, thanks to the Resource Wars.

 

As I said, for all we know, anything could be possible. There are no facts against it, and you certainly delivered none.

 

Timeline and the intro state that Europe was crippled.

 

"There was no technological progress, just desperation. "

Thats a bold claim, not a fact.

 

Quarreling and bickering, that's not what confident, healthy countries do.

 

That being said, it's fitting to repeat myself...

 

"Much can happen within 217 years. And if Europe didn't get as badly hit as the US, it's highly probable that they were able to "maintain civilisation", or rebuild it easier. Much could have happened in Europe in those 217 years, childish pre-Great War-quarrels aside."

 

You fail to take into account the state in which Europe was in 2077. Which was hardly good, considering their lack of resources and constant infighting after 2060.

[Skree000]

perhaps a debate on the history of fallout is not suited for this guys thread about his custom power armor 8-)

[UlrikS]

Snip

When we're first into the Europe discussion:

 

A lot of things can happen in 200 years. 200 years ago we didn't even have electricity.

 

Considering that not every country in Europe would be worth wasting nukes on, since most of the European contries only had conflicts with each other, and only a few of the European countries actually have a nuclear program, I think at least the smallest and unimportant countries survived pretty well, exept for the lack of resources. And after they saw what happened in the Great War, they made peace with each other and started rebuilding themselves. Probaby the same thing with Australia and a few other countries in other continents. In some places the radiation only came in weak from long distances, and disappeared only in a few years.

Since there are no information about Europe, Africa, South America and Australia after the nukes fell, that is the most logical solution.

 

And i agree with Skree000; this discussion doesn't fit on this thread.

[PrometheusTS]

The thread i becoming interesting and full of ideas , anyway , since now I have moved from my main home to the holiday home here I have just a laptop aand not my main models I was working on so for fun I tought to make other two type variations based on 50's stle and theme , f someone will be enough kind to post me the three main helmet models in 3ds and obj format or even max format it would be greatly appreciated so I could play here modeling some new ones using the vanilla as references....

 

about the discussion ....

 

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Don't forget that inthe 50s US was developing his space programs and nuclear weapons basing on European scientists for the most Italian and Germans , the first for the nuclear fission the second for the Missile science , so a lot of technology would come from the Europe , plu in fallout 3 I have met ascientist claimingsomething about an android technology etc he sounded German , at least in the translation doubling and was from Commonwealth so I guess they developed android technology in plus over the Us tech...

 

Quoting yself anyone can help with the models?

[veliv]

Seems to be a touchy subject.

[Skree000]

Yeah, dont listen to what people say if you want to make something fun, go with it!

 

Heck, i dont think Spartan's Mjolnir battle armor from Halo is legit in Fallout universe, but thats what im doing lol

http://thenexusforums.com/index.php?showtopic=90588

 

I think your helmet models looks cool and thats all that matters to me!

 

 

You can always just say the helmet was originally a leftover from WW2 and was converted into something modern when modified with gas mask parts... i mean, jeez lol people get all worked up hehe.

[NukAddict]

Cool, looks a little like a Zaku.

[PrometheusTS]

anyone has those three files?