The American Assault Rifle (R91) vs. The Chinses Assault Rifle (Type 9

[Predator4170]

This thread is about your choice and opinion of the two automatic assault rifles in the game of the Fallout 3, but you can addonwhat weapon mods if you want on what is you favorite assault rifles. Edited February 4, 2013 by Predator4170

[charwo]

Not sure how it got this way, but with FWE at a base, I get so much more VATS action out of the R91, like multiple reloads it's awesome. More dakka, then MOAR DAKKA!

 

Otherwise, I like the STG-44 assault rifle mod cause well, it's German engineering, and its the first production assault rifle, and it looks like the refined city cousin of the bumpkin AK-47 (even if internals are the same)

 

But you know what I REALLY want in that assault rifle range? An M1 Gerand with the standard Beretta AR70/90 variant changes: In game terms, burst fire .308 in a 20 round clip. Then up the ante with WMX mods like in New Vegas with detachable at will silencer and scope, using the menu options used upon equipping sniper rifles in MERC 2. Small guns, assault rifle role and TONS of dead Deathclaws and Swampfolk. BRING THE PAIN!!!

[Talwyn224]

I voted for the Chinese type 93 as it appears to be a variant of the best gun ever built, the AK-47.

 

From wikipedia -

 

 

The original AK-47 was one of the first true "assault rifles" to be manufactured, after the original Sturmgewehr 44.[8][9] Even after six decades the model and its variants remain the most widely used and popular assault rifles in the world because of their durability, low production cost, and ease of use. It has been manufactured in many countries and has seen service with armed forces as well as irregular forces worldwide. The AK-47 was the basis for developing many other types of individual and crew-served firearms. More AK-type rifles have been produced than all other assault rifles combined.[2]

 

 

It's robustness, its simple design and above all, its reliability make it arguably the assault rifle that would have survived 200+ years after WWIII. Also the fact that there are millions of the weapons around so there are no shortage of spare parts.

Edited February 6, 2013 by Talwyn224

[charwo]

This is true Talwynn,. but there are significant problems with the AK design. It's horribly inaccurate, very heavy and generally a pain in the ass. The problem with an AK in Fallout is logistics. The AK is not professional's gun, it is a conscript gun. It assumes no need for riflemanship of any kind, a low or no trained operator and a vast logistic system to keep the bullets flying.

 

In a Fallout like world, there are several issues: medium range accuracy is mediocre at best, penetration is so so because it uses an intermediate cartridge. And that's no small factor where a lot of foes are either armored (Enclave, radscorps) or berserkers that will not double over in pain, just fall dead (Deathclaws, bears, supermutants). What you want is a common caliber full rifle cartridge that is accurate to long ranges and can be uses in sharpshooting but is capable of high rates of fire in close quarters. As well as being durable and easily maintained.

 

That's why an M1 Gernad with conversions would be so useful: the M1 can and is designed to be able to be field stripped in a minute flat with nothing but bare hands, it's extremely easy to clean and reliable almost to AK standards, but it's a rifle, and it's accurate to a thousand yards. And it uses a powerful 30-06 round and can be easily moded to take .308/7.62 NATO rounds, which are also common game rounds. But generally in a civilization collapse, no logistics environment, what you want is what the US military refers to as a battle rifle (FNFAL, M-14), not an intermediate round assault rifle.

 

In the same way with pistols, you NEED a manstopper cartridge. even a .357 is too light in close quarters. You need a .45 or a controllable .44. Or better yet an AA-12 bullpup variant with slugs as the ultimate generalist weapon system. Not to mention common ammunition.

[Talwyn224]

The AK is not professional's gun, it is a conscript gun. It assumes no need for riflemanship of any kind, a low or no trained operator and a vast logistic system to keep the bullets flying.

 

Isn't that though exactly what you'd need in a post war world, perhaps even far into the future like FO3 is? You want a weapon that is easy to use, fairly reliable and not hard to operate.

 

Now as to its accuracy, having never fired one I can't give an opinion however I have read accounts that in single shot mode, it is reasonably accurate out to about 200 meters in the hands of a reasonable marksman. In fully automatic mode, yes it's a spray and pray weapon but putting a lot of lead into the air means you still have a reasonable chance of hitting your target.

 

I agree with your point regarding battle rifles like the FNFAL & M-14 but these are not as common as the AK and its variants. You make an excellent point regarding the M1 Garand and I would add in the M1 Carbine to that mix as well. It is a little underpowered but it's a very accurate weapon and has an excellent rate of fire plus can have a magazine capacity of 30 rounds.

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/M1_Carbine_Mk_I_-_USA_-_Arm%C3%A9museum.jpg/800px-M1_Carbine_Mk_I_-_USA_-_Arm%C3%A9museum.jpg

Edited February 7, 2013 by Talwyn224

[panzersharkcat]

FN FAL, though I also use the M1 Garand early on in PMO.

[charwo]

Honest quest Tawlyn, how common is the AK family in the US? Certainly an AK can be bought for 50 bucks in Africa, but I'm not sure the same is true of say Virginia. Then there's other factor: ammo is neither going to be cheap, nor plentiful out in the boonies. Now this isn't a problem the way I roleplay because my mods include a pack brahim, a motorcycle, RL-3 as a logistics robot, and working truck. Now that I ran through Project Genesis, I have a green US Army Vertibird sitting in an almost inaccessible military base in in the Blue Mountains.

 

Logistics are not an issue even in roleplay. For my Lone Wanderer. If you want to do Book of Eli/Road Warrior things, the availability of ammo is quite low. If the M1 can be made to use .308, and is easy to maintain like the M1 (I don't know: the Carbine only shares the buttplace in common or so I've read) it should be all gravy.

 

I'm thinking that in a post-governmental society, with no steady imports of ammo available, the market for automatic fire weapons would go down rapidly. In the kind of world Fallout has, green world or not, you'd see the kind of sharpshooting and sniper like hunting that you see in poor rural areas like the Appalachians, and was once common across the West. And the .308 is probably the ideal cartridge for that world: It's low muzzle velocity and large mass create a lot of penetration, and if they are routinely used to hunt bear these days, they can be used to hunt Yao Guis in the post apocalypse.