Switch Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Well I'm British and personally I just think he should be locked up until the end of his days (let's face it, he doesn't have that many left, so we wouldn't have to wait long :P). Mainly because I don't believe in this whole barbaric death penalty thing. And yes, I'm pretty damn sure actual burning is illegal, even in America. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Switch is right. Burning would be classified as "cruel and unusual punishment"... not saying he doesn't deserve it for what he did to the citizens of Iraq... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorTheBlack Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 I just think he should be locked up until the end of his daysFirst of all I think that would be an un-wise decision.If he is alive then there is a "leader" for the Iraq millitants to follow. But that leads to a Catch 22 as if they do kill him he will be martered. Burning would be classified as "cruel and unusual punishment"As for tyjet3's comments about burning, I beleive that some areas of the US still use the electric chair as a form of exocution, which burns the inside. A difference but not much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 @IgorTheBlackBelieve me, it takes a lot longer to burn someone to death then it does to electricute (sp?) someone. Longer death= more pain= more cruel. Have you ever been slightly electricuted? It doesn't hurt anywhere near as much as your flesh melting off of your bones from flames... (sorry to get graphic) Anyway, I wouldn't want to risk Saddam being put in jail. He still has people that support him. They will try to get him out. And if he is executed,But that leads to a Catch 22 as if they do kill him he will be martered. He will be a martyr for what?! martyr 1.One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles. 2.One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause, or principle. 3a.One who endures great suffering. 3b.One who makes a great show of suffering in order to arouse sympathy. He doesn't line up with any of these definitions.-He wouldn't be dying for his religion.-He isn't expanding on a belief, cause, or principle.-He probably won't endure great suffering because he will be dead very quick if they choose to execute.-And I don't know ANYONE who has sympathy for Saddam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surian Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 He still has a group of people loyal to him. Also, not to change the direction of the topic but electrocution and governement sanctioned executions are an abomination. They serve absolutely no purpose and in many cases actually increase the ammount of violent crimes commited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 @surian: Are you telling me that killing a mass murder cuases more people to become mass murders? That makes no sense. If anything it should make more people not want to be murders because then they would realize they are thowing away their lives. And if they don't care about their own lives, that has nothing to do with different person's execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surian Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 No, what I'm saying is that Capital punishment is a flawed notion. If you want me to I'd be happy to find you dozens of articles and research to back up the idea that the execution of another human being, expecially when it is sanctioned by the government is not only barbaric, but can actually INCREASE violent crimes. It's called the brutalization effect and it is well documented. If you look at the statistical numbers of violent crimes commited in any area during the time leading up to an execution they will be fairly flat. However, almost EVERY time that an execution takes place the numbers of murders and violent crimes sky-rocket. That is what I meant by increasing violent crimes. If anything it should make more people not want to be murders because then they would realize they are thowing away their livesUnfortunately that doesn't happen. Think about the motivation of a murderer for a moment. They are either so enraged that they arn't thinking straight and murder someone, or they have planned the murder out for such a long time that they don't feel they will actually GET caught and therfor the consequences don't matter to either of these people. Also, for those people who murder someone for another reason I would pose this question: Why then, if capital punishment is supposed to deter future murders, do murders still occur in places where capital punishment is allowed? Now, the situation is a little different in Saddam's case because this isn't happening in America. However, there are other issues at play here as well as just the brutalization effect (I just wanted to clarify my statment to you). Namely, executing people is a terrible thing to do. No matter what their crime there is never an excuse to execute a person. I personally believe that the Iraqis are more than likely to execute their former dictator, but that does not mean that it is right. Again, this is a strange situation because it is not happenig in America, in the USA I can make many arguments about what SHOULD be done instead of capital punishment but I won't do that for Iraq becasue they must make their own choices. If you want to talk about capital punishment in America with me I'd be happy to do so in another thread ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valdir Posted July 3, 2004 Share Posted July 3, 2004 I say instead of "locking him up until the end of his days" we create a council to decide what to do, and while they decide put him in "safe keeping". When he is locked away, the council pretends to remain "undecisive" for about 40 years.... :innocent: I strongly dislike the man for what he did to fellow humans, and I hope that we take precautions to make sure he never has the chance to do so again. As for meddeling in the affairs of other nations... Isn't that one of the reasons so many people hate the US in the first place? Christ, as an American I feel like a member of the Scooby Doo gang with Saddam as the man in the zombie costume. -val Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surian Posted July 3, 2004 Share Posted July 3, 2004 Fred: Well gang, let's see who Saddam really is!*unmasks saddam* Whole Gang: Osama Bin Laden!? Osama: Yes, and I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that meddling Bush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icefiddell Posted July 3, 2004 Share Posted July 3, 2004 lol well theres the one they gotta get next. I wonder what cave he's in now, to be honest i think he's on the moon, but thats just me :D But seriously i think they have no choice but to put Saddam to death, as people have said earlier he still has loyal followers. And Saddam is their leader their figure head but if he is gone then they are leader-less. If he is locked up for years then these people still have something to fight for. True if they execute him there may be a higher rate of attacks for a while but with time they'll fade and Saddam will be forgotten. But if he lives they will not stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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