The Europe discussion (and the rest of the world)

[UlrikS]

There are little or no information in the Fallout lore about Europe and the rest of the world after the nukes fell, so much are left for our imagination.

 

There are noe reason that USA and China should nuke Europe, since most of the European contries only had conflicts with each other. And since only a few of the European countries actually have a nuclear program, I most countries survived the Great War pretty well, exept for the lack of resources. When they saw what happened in the Great War, they made peace with each other and reformed the Commonwealth, and started rebuliding themselves and the community. Probaby the same thing with Australia and most other countries who weren't involved in the great war, and didn't have a nuclear program. In some places the radiation only came in weak from far away, and disappeared only in a few years.

 

A lot of things can happen in 200 years, so i think that's the most logical.

[furtim]

Well, according to Fallout canon as pieced together from various places, Europe invaded the Middle East some time prior to the Great War. The story goes, fossil fuels ran out, and only the US had developed functional fusion power. (This is also why China invaded the US, to seize the fusion technology, as well as some of the last remaining oil reserves in Alaska and off the California coast where the Enclave originally took refuge.)

 

So, due to their war with the Middle East, it's possible that a small-scale nuclear exchange occurred in Europe as well. There's also, as far as I know, nothing in the canon about the Soviet Union, so it could be that Russia invaded Western Europe and kicked off a large-scale nuclear war there.

 

Either way, Europe would be suffering pretty badly from all the other stuff that plagued America, especially radioactive fallout (and presumably mutated creatures and ghouls as well, unless you buy the "FEV did everything" excuse for the existence of those). They also completely lack any kind of energy source, due to fossil fuel supplies being exhausted and never having developed fusion power, so we can take that to mean that European society would be just as primitive as the American wastelands. The bombs might not have killed so many people, but radiation, plague, and simple famine would have.

 

One possibility is that Europe has fractured up even further and regressed to a Medieval-type society. Modern technology would still exist, but only the very richest could use any of it. Or, they may have used their last reserves of fossil fuels to scour the ruins of America for fusion technology and have rebuilt themselves (owing to the lack of nuclear devastation) fairly quickly, albeit with a great loss of life to radiation in the meantime. So, you could be looking at a Europe poised to start a second Renaissance. Or a scattered series of feudalistic warlords that make the Raiders look tame and egalitarian by comparison. Or possibly even both, with different regions suffering more or less and having recovered to differing degrees.

[UlrikS]

Europe would still have access to nuclear power, water power (by building embankments in large rivers etc., and force the water through huge pipes with turbines. it's he most common power source where i live. Don't know the english name for it) and wind power. So power wouldn't be a problem.

 

Also, most of the countries probably wouldn't have been nuked (at least not more than a few, if so) because they aren't "important" enough (small, weak military power etc.). Of course there would be radioactive fallout, but far from as strong as in USA.

[furtim]

Europe would still have access to nuclear power, water power (by building embankments in large rivers etc., and force the water through huge pipes with turbines. it's he most common power source where i live. Don't know the english name for it) and wind power. So power wouldn't be a problem.

 

As I said, I'm going off Fallout canon here. It's clearly stated in the backstory that Europe was hardest hit by fossil fuel shortages and invaded the Middle East for oil. The Fallout Wikia has an article on it.

 

The Fallout universe has diverged from us in a lot of other ways, why not that one, too?

[TheOutlander]

Europe would still have access to nuclear power, water power (by building embankments in large rivers etc., and force the water through huge pipes with turbines. it's he most common power source where i live. Don't know the english name for it) and wind power. So power wouldn't be a problem.

 

Also, most of the countries probably wouldn't have been nuked (at least not more than a few, if so) because they aren't "important" enough (small, weak military power etc.). Of course there would be radioactive fallout, but far from as strong as in USA.

Nuclear Power requires fuel too, and the resource wars weren't just about fossil fuels but things like Uranium (which powers Nuclear power stations) too.

[UlrikS]

They would at least have water turbine power (as i said, the most common source of electricity power where i live), and wind-generated (windmill) power.

[evilbeefjerky]

It's implied there was still a NATO, which means several European countries would be U.S. allies.

If there was a breakdown of the European Commonwealth leading to wars, that just means there'll be potential Chinese allies too. Which means they're all potential targets.

The Soviet Union was also most probably an ally of the U.S., those are several key targets for China right there, and in the end Europe is as boned as the rest of the world.

[grumbler]

If the Euros want some satisfaction (which is the only reason I can see for the topic to be of interest) assume some sort of Enclave-like survivals around the sources of energy, and nuclear-winter-survivors elsewhere.

 

Read Pohl Anderson's "Marius" for more details.

[Jen89]

I imagine an epic scale nuclear war, where the radioactive fallout also damaged Europe. Take cities like New Reno and The Pitt: They were not directly hit by a nuclear blast, but when the surrounding world broke down, anarcy and radiation caused the cities to be ruled by Warlords and gangs, while some of the population mutated and the city decayed.

 

Most likely, Europe is wartorn just like America, with green surroundings and abandonned cities more like Chernobyl instead of barren dersert like America.

[RazorChain]

Given that Europe is allied with the U.S if NATO was still was in place during 2077 then the chinese most likely nuked Europe as well