Skyrim Riften + Whiterun CTD

[gwentheotaku]

Hi! Sorry if I leave out any important information, I don't know a lot about modding. Basically, I've just recently changed a lot of things in my load order, and I started a new playthrough with it. I played with through for a little while and got to Riften, but as soon as I tried to enter the worldspace, I crashed to desktop. I checked, and this wasn't a one-off thing, everytime that I try to enter the worldspace, I CTD. I even tried just typing "coc RiftenOrigin" into the command console, but it still CTD. This sort of thing happened twice before with a save file, once in Whiterun (every time that I looked at the front of whiterun from inside the city, or tried to enter through the gate, I CTD), and another time in Riften again (I had just started the Theives Guild Questline and was exiting the Ratway. When I walked up the stairs from the Ratway and turned to look towards the marketplace, I CTD). Sorry if this is confusing, I just have no idea what to do.

 

Load Order:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
6 6 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
7 7 MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
8 8 JerralMountainsCitadel.esm
9 9 JerallMountainsCitadelPart1.esm
10 a JerallMountainsCitadelPart2.esm
254 FE 0 MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
254 FE 1 RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
11 b arnima.esm
12 c EFFCore.esm
254 FE 2 AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl
13 d FISS.esp
14 e Campfire.esm
15 f Vigilant.esm
254 FE 3 Expressive Facegen Morphs.esl
16 10 SkyUI_SE.esp
17 11 FloraRespawnFix.esp
254 FE 4 Hearthfires Houses Building Fix.esp
18 12 Obsidian Weathers.esp
19 13 Laundry.esp
20 14 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
254 FE 5 ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp
21 15 Gildergreen Regrown.esp
22 16 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
23 17 Frostbite.esp
24 18 FNIS.esp
25 19 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
26 1a Celtic_Music_In_Skyrim_SE.esp
254 FE 6 Obsidian Weathers for Vigilant.esp
27 1b KS Hairdo's.esp
28 1c DepthsOfSkyrim.esp
29 1d Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
30 1e Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
254 FE 7 Qw_WACCF_arnima Patch.esp
31 1f Cutting Room Floor.esp
32 20 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
33 21 FlowerFields.esp
254 FE 8 Qw_ISC_CRF Patch.esp
34 22 ProudspiremanorTNFBP.esp
35 23 ImprovedRoads.esp
36 24 HjerimTNF BP.esp
37 25 Immersive Jewelry.esp
38 26 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
254 FE 9 CWIEnLFXSEPatch.esp
39 27 ELFX - NoPlayerHomes.esp
40 28 BlackthornManor.esp
41 29 HoneysideTNF BP.esp
42 2a Helgen Reborn.esp
43 2b BHTNFBP.esp
44 2c goodbrother.esp
45 2d HearthfireMultiKid.esp
46 2e LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp
254 FE a Vigilant Voiced.esp
47 2f Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp
48 30 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
49 31 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
50 32 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
51 33 Point The Way.esp
52 34 Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
53 35 WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp
54 36 Holidays.esp
254 FE b JK's Dragonsreach.esp
55 37 TKAA.esp
56 38 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
57 39 cliffs.esp
254 FE c Qw_ACE_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE d Qw_ACE_SkyrimImmersiveCreatures Patch.esp
254 FE e CWICRFSEPatch.esp
58 3a DBM_RelicNotifications.esp
59 3b AK- Namira for Good Guys.esp
60 3c PAN_NPCs_DG.esp
61 3d PAN_NPCs_DB.esp
62 3e AHZmoreHUD.esp
63 3f ELFX Fake Light Remover.esp
64 40 Brows.esp
254 FE f SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp
254 FE 10 Obsidian Weathers MCM.esp
65 41 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
66 42 EBT - IC PATCH.esp
EBT - skyBirds Patch.esp
67 43 DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
254 FE 11 Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_ISC Patch.esp
68 44 DustEffectsSSE.esp
69 45 NorthernGrass.esp
70 46 TheScarlett.esp
254 FE 12 AncientLand2.esp
71 47 RaceMenu.esp
72 48 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
254 FE 13 ObsidianWaterFix.esp
254 FE 14 Supreme and Volumetric Fog for Obsidian Weathers and Seasons.esp
73 49 WetandCold.esp
74 4a Wet&Cold - WaterFix - Addon.esp
75 4b WondersofWeather.esp
76 4c DX Druid Armor.esp
77 4d 0Kaidan.esp
78 4e CFTO.esp
79 4f Morning Fogs SSE.esp
80 50 LKVM Cellar and Exterior.esp
81 51 fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
82 52 Dwarfsphere.esp
254 FE 15 DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
83 53 Inigo.esp
84 54 Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp
85 55 PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
DBM_SolitudeExpansion_Patch.esp
254 FE 16 JK's Sleeping Giant Inn.esp
86 56 Clockwork.esp
87 57 LKVM Main House.esp
88 58 LKVM_LT02.esp
254 FE 17 JK's The Bannered Mare.esp
89 59 Hermit Mountain Cottage.esp
90 5a LeanWolfs Aemers Refuge SE.esp
254 FE 18 JK's Arcadia's Cauldron.esp
254 FE 19 DBM_AHO_Patch.esp
254 FE 1a DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
254 FE 1b LOTD_TCC_Vigilant.esp
254 FE 1c DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
254 FE 1d LOTD_TCC_Royal.esp
91 5b Immersive Weapons.esp
92 5c PAN_NPCs.esp
254 FE 1e Qw_PANNPCs_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE 1f Qw_PANNPCs_ICoWinterhold Patch.esp
93 5d SofiaFollower.esp
254 FE 20 DBM_IW_Patch.esp
254 FE 21 LOTD_TCC_ImmWeap.esp
94 5e JK's Riverfall Cottage.esp
DBM_JKSkyrim_Patch.esp
95 5f Windhelm Lighthouse.esp
254 FE 22 DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
96 60 Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells.esp
97 61 notice board.esp
98 62 Northern Marsh Bridges SE.esp
99 63 blackreachrailroadnew.esp
254 FE 23 DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp
254 FE 24 LOTD_TCC_Wintersun.esp
254 FE 25 DBM_MAS_Patch.esp
100 64 Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp
101 65 LKVMII_LT01.esp
254 FE 26 ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp
102 66 Missives.esp
254 FE 27 Qw_SofiaFollower_USSEP Patch.esp
103 67 BeyondSkyrimMerchant.esp
254 FE 28 DBM_ImmersiveCollegeofWinterhold_Patch.esp
254 FE 29 DBM_NoticeBoard_Patch.esp
104 68 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
105 69 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
254 FE 2a MajesticMountains.esp
254 FE 2b JKs The Drunken Huntsman.esp
106 6a Lucien.esp
254 FE 2c DBM_Clockwork_Patch.esp
254 FE 2d LOTD_TCC_Clockwork.esp
254 FE 2e LOTD_TCC_Helgen.esp
254 FE 2f LOTD_TCC_ICOW.esp
254 FE 30 LOTD_TCC_MAS.esp
254 FE 31 LOTD_TCC_ProjectAHO.esp
107 6b Haem Projects Goblands.esp
108 6c CFTO-Lanterns.esp
254 FE 32 Wintersun - SIC Patch.esp
254 FE 33 DBM_DepthsofSkyrim_Patch.esp
109 6d AK- Boethiah Alternate.esp
110 6e My Home Is Your Home.esp
111 6f Alternate Start LAL TKAA Patch.esp
112 70 AMatterOfTime.esp
113 71 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
114 72 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
115 73 Ashlander Apparel.esp
116 74 AutoHideAmmo.esp
117 75 Better Harvesting.esp
118 76 Bijin AIO.esp
119 77 TheDBInitiates.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
120 78 BlendedRoads.esp
BooksOfSkyrim TKAA Patch.esp
121 79 CBBE.esp
254 FE 34 DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 35 Qw_WACCF_ISC Patch.esp
254 FE 36 DBM_ImmersiveJewelry_Patch.esp
122 7a chocoyum.esp
123 7b Cutting Room Floor TKAA Patch.esp
254 FE 37 DBM_BeyondReach_Patch.esp
254 FE 38 Qw_BeyondReach_USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE 39 DBM_DBGG_Patch.esp
254 FE 3a DBM_ELFX_Patch.esp
254 FE 3b DBM_IA_Patch.esp
254 FE 3c LOTD_TCC_ImmArm.esp
254 FE 3d DBM_ISC_Patch.esp
254 FE 3e DBM_JKArcadia_Patch.esp
254 FE 3f DBM_JKBannered_Patch.esp
254 FE 40 JK's Belethor's General Goods.esp
254 FE 41 DBM_JKBelethor_Patch.esp
254 FE 42 DBM_JKDragonsreach_Patch.esp
254 FE 43 DBM_JKDrunken_Patch.esp
254 FE 44 JK's Warmaiden's.esp
254 FE 45 DBM_JKWarmaidens_Patch.esp
254 FE 46 DBM_Namira_Patch.esp
DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp
254 FE 47 DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp
124 7c UnreadBooksGlow.esp
254 FE 48 DBM_UnreadBooksGlow_Patch.esp
125 7d HearthfireMultiKid TKAA Patch.esp
126 7e dcm.esp
127 7f Differently Ebony.esp
128 80 DX Witcher Armor.esp
129 81 DX Witcher Swords.esp
130 82 FNISspells.esp
131 83 Footprints.esp
132 84 Forge Water Fix - CRF Patch.esp
133 85 HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
134 86 Helgen Reborn TKAA Patch.esp
135 87 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
136 88 iHUD.esp
137 89 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp
138 8a Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
139 8b LazyHeels.esp
254 FE 49 OBS_TidyUp.esp
140 8c RaceMenuHH.esp
141 8d RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
142 8e TakeNotes.esp
143 8f Whiterun Tower - Mesh Fix.esp
144 90 XPMSE.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
145 91 PAN_BlackBriar.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
254 FE 4a Qw_BijinAIO_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE 4b Qw_BijinAIO_ICoWinterhold Patch.esp
146 92 Serana.esp
147 93 Valerica.esp
148 94 PAN_LethalLadies.esp
149 95 Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp
150 96 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
151 97 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
254 FE 4c CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
152 98 Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
153 99 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
154 9a Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
254 FE 4d Qw_SofiaFollower_RDO Patch.esp
254 FE 4e Qw_BeyondReach_RDO Patch.esp
155 9b EFFDialogue.esp
254 FE 4f ELFX Fixes.esp
156 9c RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp
157 9d Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
158 9e RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
159 9f ELFXEnhancer.esp
160 a0 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
161 a1 WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
254 FE 50 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
162 a2 Atlas Map Markers.esp
163 a3 The Great City of Winterhold.esp
164 a4 The Great City of Dawnstar.esp
165 a5 The Great City of Morthal.esp
166 a6 The Great City of Falkreath.esp
167 a7 The Great City of Solitude.esp
168 a8 USSEP - The Great City of Solitude Patch.esp
169 a9 The Great Town of Karthwasten.esp
170 aa The Great Village of Old Hroldan.esp
171 ab The Great Town of Ivarstead.esp
172 ac The Great Town of Shor's Stone.esp
173 ad The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp
174 ae The Great Village of Mixwater Mill.esp
175 af The Great City of Morthal - CFTO Patch.esp
176 b0 The Great City of Falkreath - CFTO Patch.esp

 

[Deleted10401735User]

Hi there, when these types of errors happen , in my experience, its usually a bad/overwritten mesh or facegen many cases an npc. These types of errors are a pain to fix because you 1st need to figure out which mods are causing the issue and then find a fix which can be time consuming. Good thing is that if u find the culprit and fix it u wont need to start a new game, amusing that this is the issue.

 

You can first try to disable all mods that make changes to NPCs and start a new game to see if it crashes

If it doesn't then try to enable 1 mod at a time until u can find the culprit, then you will need to decide which mod you want to use, in many cases u can use both but 1 has to win in load order which also means the resources of the mod needs to win.

If it doesn't crash, then you will need to do the same process but with a wider range of mods, so I would start a new game with only essential mods then tun the game, add a small amount of mods and repeat until you crash again.

 

Tools like xEdit can help you in this process, also to make your game more stable, but it requires a learning curve which means more time, but it is recommended, the more stable you can get your game the less headaches and more satisfying experience you will have. Hope this can help,

 

Cheers!

[jorgenk1974]

In your load order I can't see directly what causes the CTD, have you tried to go to any of the other cities? (One should always check this in a multiple cities CTD)

Like the one said above, you have to disable all your mods and enable them accordingly to its kind, so first all body/clothing files --->test--> general gameplay one by one, or some multiple at a time, if you are cerain it wont causes trouble. ---> test---> then you can add one by one the mods that alter cities or worldspaces, suggest first the cities.. and once you know it is good, you can test the skyrim world spaces.. then eventually you will find the cullprit

 

edit: I see one possible porblem.. I have heard that the "legacy of the dragonborn" is not very compatible with some mods that alter cities.. I suggest you try to disable it first.. and then test your game...

Edited September 15, 2020 by jorgenk1974

[anjenthedog]

Are you using LAL by any chance?

[gwentheotaku]

Are you using LAL by any chance?

if you mean Alternate Start: Live Another Life, then yeah

[Deleted10401735User]

Update. This might help you. After I finish an issue I had with a neck seam, I started working on a CDT issue in Whiterun, after testing and troubleshooting I found the culprit and also remembered your modlist and I think this might also be your issue. Im using JK Whiterun, I noticed your using JK Skyrim which is related, and were both also using Royal Armory (PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp) that's the culprit on my load order might be yours too.

 

I checked the forums for a solution or a mention but found nothing. Checked on xEdit to see if I could fix it but didnt find anything obvious (I'm not pro in xEdit); so I decided to remove it, I rather have a stable game. Hope this helps u out.

 

Cheers!