kvnchrist Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siu6JYqOZ0g&feature=player_embedded#! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Unfortunately it doesn't work if your answer happens to be "have meaningless consentual sex with as many young and attractive women as I can before my heart or other organs rupture". Attractive people usually have plenty of choice on that end, and man-whoring doesn't really give you the option to pick your clients. World domination... Also quite hard to really get to work in your favor. Incidentially, the practice of doing something you dislike most of the time so that you are able to do something you do like is arguably the core component of self moderation so that we aren't wholely consumed in the act of seeking out pleasurable acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihoe Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Unfortunately it doesn't work if your answer happens to be "have meaningless consentual sex with as many young and attractive women as I can before my heart or other organs rupture". Attractive people usually have plenty of choice on that end, and man-whoring doesn't really give you the option to pick your clients. World domination... Also quite hard to really get to work in your favor. Incidentially, the practice of doing something you dislike most of the time so that you are able to do something you do like is arguably the core component of self moderation so that we aren't wholely consumed in the act of seeking out pleasurable acts.LOLWise words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The other counter-point is the fact that the world would literally collapse overnight if people only did what they enjoyed doing. There simply would not be enough people around to do all the crappy thankless jobs that have to be done just so that the sewers don't back-up and flood our streets with filth. At some point, it's not about work one would enjoy, but rather what jobs have a reasonable high demand, and are available within your range of skill-sets. The advice given is really only there for those people who already came from a well-off background, and who have the luxary of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvnchrist Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 This is all about seeking employment in a position that you would enjoy even if you weren't getting paid for it. That doesn't mean that everyone would suddenly opt for all the glamourous jobs and abandon the less graceful jobs. There are people in every walk of life that are truely comfortable in jobs that would turn most peoples stomachs. There are those that actively seek to disgust others, thinking it humorous that others can't take what they can. Not everybody thinks of cleanliness and order, when they think of the ultimate position. We can see that by the exploits of the sadly deceased Steve Irwin, The Crocodile hunter. How many hear would think grabbing a poisonous snake in your bare hands fun. The crocodile hunter did. When I was in Job Corps, we visited a sewage plant and was given a tour be a person who was proud of what he did, because of the impact he had on the city he worked for. Enjoying your job doesn't mean sacrificing anything. It means orientating yourself to where you are most comfortable. You might never get the job you want, but the closer to that job, you do get the happier you'll be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 This is all about seeking employment in a position that you would enjoy even if you weren't getting paid for it. That doesn't mean that everyone would suddenly opt for all the glamourous jobs and abandon the less graceful jobs. There are people in every walk of life that are truely comfortable in jobs that would turn most peoples stomachs. There are those that actively seek to disgust others, thinking it humorous that others can't take what they can. Not everybody thinks of cleanliness and order, when they think of the ultimate position. We can see that by the exploits of the sadly deceased Steve Irwin, The Crocodile hunter. How many hear would think grabbing a poisonous snake in your bare hands fun. The crocodile hunter did. When I was in Job Corps, we visited a sewage plant and was given a tour be a person who was proud of what he did, because of the impact he had on the city he worked for. Enjoying your job doesn't mean sacrificing anything. It means orientating yourself to where you are most comfortable. You might never get the job you want, but the closer to that job, you do get the happier you'll be.Except it's not about the one-off cases of people who actually like those tough jobs and start out actively seeking placement in those professions. It's about the fact that most of those jobs, even those that end up being fairly rewarding, usually don't have as much immediate appeal as even wanting to be a shop owner. This leads to a real logistics problem because there are usually limitations on meaningful supply of persons in a given field before you have either too much competition, or enhaust all available positions. For example, becoming an engineer when dozens of major firms have just mass-fired most of their engineers because of downsizing. Even if money isn't important, the meaningful part of being an engineer is related to the work being done. Even though you could technically do engineering work for your own projects, relatively few people have the manufacturing ability, budget, or means to implement those projects on their own. An engineer needs a plan, a teacher needs a class, a doctor needs a patient, a lawyer needs a client. Without that demand, much of the fulfilment of that job tents to vanish. The other end of things isn't too great either, even if there are a handful of people who aspire to become janitors, the number of persons is usually much less than the number needed to maintain buildings and services. More to the point, when dealing with the bottom rung level jobs (the ones that society kinda needs to keep running), you need people who will take any kind of work they can get, and who might be tempted to work harder in something they don't like (which still has to be done) if it means that they might move onto something they dislike less... Or just making them deal with it because that is all they're going to get with their level of skill, language comprehension, gender, or what some piece of paper says. It doesn't make it right, or fair, but it is how the world is, and someone eventually has to do it. Then there are all those other things, like prostitution, theivery, drug dealing, daytime television, that generally people only do for the sake of the money and some relative demand of those activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvnchrist Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 I understand this, but my take of the video was that when a person is looking to a field to enter into; That person being young and unsure of what he should get into, they should look to what stimulates them over and above the promise of a well paying job. What was so promising when a person enters college 3-5 years ago, may not be feasible upon graduation. We can look at the myriads of college educated people today, who are graduating to a bleak future in the professions that were so recently thriving. There is no guarantees that what was sought will be found and reality has a way of shifting individuals into the jobs that are out there. They may not care for what they end up doing but as the song goes. "My life has killed the dream I dreamed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 We can look at the myriads of college educated people today, who are graduating to a bleak future in the professions that were so recently thriving. The same problem exists on the other end, people who set out for their dreams, but who cannot find a lick of work in that field. The bleak future kinda exists all around, regardless if it was genuine interest or pursuit of money, if there isn't enough work, you'll still end up doing something you dislike for less than you wanted because it's the only way you can keep from ending up homeless and at a real dead end. Trying to sell people on the dreams of being a starving artist is great and all, but doesn't change the fact that the artist is still starving. The answer lies more in trying to build a student as a whole person, instead of feeding them all these hopes and dreams and waving some sort of perspective "job" in front of their nose once they trudge through 4-5 years of coursework, only to pull back the curtain and reveal how it really is. If a student has a good foundation, they don't need someone to tell them what to do with their life, nor do they need much pushing to get through it all. Most at that point become self-sufficient learners who try to actively further their own knowledge and understanding of related topics, and as a result become more diversified so as to apply to more positions, or having more understanding of the field and apply that understanding to be more specialized to fit within those positions that require that specialization. But, unfortunately, that method doesn't do well to make college recruitment requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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