LE Lore-Friendly Valkyrie race/items and NPCs?

[Danman804]

 

 

 

 

 

Your general tone that tries to say either feminine-or-thor-and-gruff is, once again (tired of repeating things you are incapable of understanding) VERY shallow way of viewing what is feminine or not. Go read some of the excerpts from original norse poems.

Again you seem to be misreading catastrophically...

 

Neither me, Strokend or hotemochick have ever said that it either have to be feminine OR gruff. We are all saying it needs to be something in between.

I don't think you even know what you are talking about at this point. You just ran against your own words when you said "If you wanted to describe the image to an audience who would never see it, but give them the sense of her being a warrior, you'd have to exclude the part of her being beautiful." that by all accounts is at least implying and showing incompatibility between your idea of beauty and power.

Wrong guy, I'm the one who used the audience line, not Zaldiir.

 

>Danman804, on 27 Feb 2013 - 11:20, said:

Calling something a Hyperbole and trying to say that somehow excludes it from core meaning of a mythology is like saying you need to exclude 'hyperbole' of a person's presence and perception they exude in favor of viewing them in a 2 dimensional way. It seems you seriously misunderstand what does and doesn't matter, and also what not to call superficially capable of being disregarded vs. what cannot be. You don't take out meat from a meat-only sandwich and still call it a meat sandwich.

Taking the meat out of a meat sandwich? Really? What does beauty have to do with a soldier? How is it the war aspect of him? It's more like the Lettuce on a burger. A person may always make a burger with that lettuce, but suddenly making it without doesn't make it less of a buger. It still has the buns and the patty.

Danman804, on 27 Feb 2013 - 11:20, said:

Once again, what's not feminine about Imperials? They have their own brand of such presence, and you so casually disregard them as if your own views automatically exclude their character from everyone else's.

I was working by your definition here. You argued that beauty meant femininity meant weak and fragile.

 

At this point, I don't really have the patience to read through the rest of it, so I'll just say this: It's your mod request, not mine. When you supported the second image I used to pull more information out of you, I assumed you wanted that form of beauty. I even further guessed it would take position somewhere between the Imperials and Nords. However, if that is not what you want, I'm presently at a loss for what you do want, and any modders may be as well.

 

Good luck in this, I do look forward to seeing it being made, but at present I intend to become just a watcher here. At the very least, I'll give myself a chance to look through things more carefully before I post again.

 

 

Let me clarify once again. The beauty I speak of is not solely about 'modern' sense of beauty. That is what I would reject, but let us compare the 1st and 2nd image, and try to understand what I am trying to say about what to reject and what we should aspire to.

 

1st image is what I would call wall-flower-like feel of Valkyie. Ethereal, fragile, dolled-up version that is more fitting for a barbie doll instead of real and original portrayal of Valkyries.

 

2nd image gives off much more vibrant, powerful, and imperious feel that much better fits the idea of Valkyrie.

 

As a modder, if you feel that 2nd image is what you can realistically go after as a starting point, I would appreciate your efforts. What I am attempting to convey here is that we must avoid at all costs such attempts at making these valkyries look at some kind of anime-whack off material, wall-flower cr@p they call valkyrie to begin with.

 

Maybe from that point on we can look even deeper into how to bring the image much closer to its original image. Your idea for 2nd image has merit - I hope we can see something out of that. Try to pursue more power-inducing feel rather than overtly emphasizing modern sense of feminity at the expense of presence of power like the first one (it really does, no matter how much anyone would like to believe otherwise - perception needs to influence both the wielder and the viewer for it to really matter).

 

The idea is really ambitious, so we can take one step at a time.

[Hotemochick1992]

Dan your best bet at this point would be to draw up a sketch and do a concept art piece. Very detailed and so on so the you get the desired affect. If someone doesn't pick it up, you can learn how to make it so that it is perfect to your liking. Enough said.

 

With how hostile you attack others ideas you have really turned me off to helping you with this. good luck though.

[Danman804]

Dan your best bet at this point would be to draw up a sketch and do a concept art piece. Very detailed and so on so the you get the desired affect. If someone doesn't pick it up, you can learn how to make it so that it is perfect to your liking. Enough said.

 

With how hostile you attack others ideas you have really turned me off to helping you with this. good luck though.

I don't think you understand how your careless expression of limited opinions, as well as insulting attempts at trying to justify such shallow sentiments, led you to be treated that way because you were called out on your carelessness.

 

You really need to watch what you say before really in all honesty, childishly making such weak comments trying to defend your careless comments. I cannot be responsible for how you present your petulant attitude towards other's comments when you can't handle what it is saying because of what it's saying, not because it was directly against you specifically. You got pricked because of your own lack of understanding, not because someone was directly going after you. The way you reacted really sounded like a weak knee-jerk reaction, and is dripping petulance with every other reply you make.

 

 

 

I am sure some of the modders had similar ideas, but I think what we got so far is good enough for a starting point.

[Deleted1308005User]

Dan your best bet at this point would be to draw up a sketch and do a concept art piece. Very detailed and so on so the you get the desired affect. If someone doesn't pick it up, you can learn how to make it so that it is perfect to your liking. Enough said.

 

With how hostile you attack others ideas you have really turned me off to helping you with this. good luck though.

 

I wanted to stay away from this thread, the amount of "Troll-magnetism" is just too high.

 

But I want to say that this guy (or girl?) Is on right track.

 

First post lacked any sort of pictures, it was all about what it should not be, and it was written in hate, inducing rage in reader and making people confused.

When I tried to search google with "Valkyrie", I only ended up seeing tons of anime pictures.

 

Soo.. It's not easy finding the "Right" thing you want, as you only said what you don't want. :biggrin:

[Danman804]

 

 

Dan your best bet at this point would be to draw up a sketch and do a concept art piece. Very detailed and so on so the you get the desired affect. If someone doesn't pick it up, you can learn how to make it so that it is perfect to your liking. Enough said.

 

With how hostile you attack others ideas you have really turned me off to helping you with this. good luck though.

I wanted to stay away from this thread, the amount of "Troll-magnetism" is just too high.

 

But I want to say that this guy (or girl?) Is on right track.

 

First post lacked any sort of pictures, it was all about what it should not be, and it was written in hate, inducing rage in reader and making people confused.

When I tried to search google with "Valkyrie", I only ended up seeing tons of anime pictures.

 

Soo.. It's not easy finding the "Right" thing you want, as you only said what you don't want. :biggrin:

Not really, just the fact that there is time and place for everything.

 

We do need to know what to avoid to get an idea of what should be, and no matter what someone would like to think, those google anime pictures are really just giving off heavily adolescent fantasy material feel for any one serious about portrayal of mythology to take seriously.

 

Like I said, the contrast between 1st image and 2nd is a good starting point. What can we do from there on?

Edited February 27, 2013 by Danman804

[Deleted1308005User]

 

 

 

Dan your best bet at this point would be to draw up a sketch and do a concept art piece. Very detailed and so on so the you get the desired affect. If someone doesn't pick it up, you can learn how to make it so that it is perfect to your liking. Enough said.

 

With how hostile you attack others ideas you have really turned me off to helping you with this. good luck though.

I wanted to stay away from this thread, the amount of "Troll-magnetism" is just too high.

 

But I want to say that this guy (or girl?) Is on right track.

 

First post lacked any sort of pictures, it was all about what it should not be, and it was written in hate, inducing rage in reader and making people confused.

When I tried to search google with "Valkyrie", I only ended up seeing tons of anime pictures.

 

Soo.. It's not easy finding the "Right" thing you want, as you only said what you don't want. :biggrin:

Not really, just the fact that there is time and place for everything.

 

We do need to know what to avoid to get an idea of what should be, and no matter what someone would like to think, those google anime pictures are really just giving off heavily adolescent fantasy material feel for any one serious about portrayal of mythology to take seriously.

 

Like I said, the contrast between 1st image and 2nd is a good starting point. What can we do from there on?

 

What pictures? OP has no pictures.

[nightinglae850]

Wouldn't Nord women be considered to be like Valkyries?

 

Since they are based on that culture

[Danman804]

 

 

 

 

Dan your best bet at this point would be to draw up a sketch and do a concept art piece. Very detailed and so on so the you get the desired affect. If someone doesn't pick it up, you can learn how to make it so that it is perfect to your liking. Enough said.

 

With how hostile you attack others ideas you have really turned me off to helping you with this. good luck though.

I wanted to stay away from this thread, the amount of "Troll-magnetism" is just too high.

 

But I want to say that this guy (or girl?) Is on right track.

 

First post lacked any sort of pictures, it was all about what it should not be, and it was written in hate, inducing rage in reader and making people confused.

When I tried to search google with "Valkyrie", I only ended up seeing tons of anime pictures.

 

Soo.. It's not easy finding the "Right" thing you want, as you only said what you don't want. :biggrin:

Not really, just the fact that there is time and place for everything.

 

We do need to know what to avoid to get an idea of what should be, and no matter what someone would like to think, those google anime pictures are really just giving off heavily adolescent fantasy material feel for any one serious about portrayal of mythology to take seriously.

 

Like I said, the contrast between 1st image and 2nd is a good starting point. What can we do from there on?

 

What pictures? OP has no pictures.

2nd post after mine.

[Deleted3608344User]

So what you want is a decent, but not too pretty, looking woman, war-like, and not at all monstrous. Doesn't sound hard. What sort of specs are we looking at here, Wings?(But may be too close to the modern view.) I personally think that wings are a good idea, because other wise all you'll get is a nord with more power, but the choice is ultimately yours. Edited February 27, 2013 by Guest

[Strokend]

So what you want is a decent, but not too pretty, looking woman, war-like, and not at all monstrous. Doesn't sound hard. What sort of specs are we looking at here, Wings?(But may be too close to the modern view.) I personally think that wings are a good idea, because other wise all you'll get is a nord with more power, but the choice is ultimately yours.

Hm. Speaking personally, while I like the idea of giving people wings, I don't like the idea over overly large wings. A size between Elbow-span and Arm-span for the wingspan sounds good to me.

 

What's your opinion, Dan?