massive stutter - no obvious cause.

[Elizinator]

first thing i have to say is that all the other threads about this are a bunch of guesses, and amount to "your computer sucks". well mine does not. but right now, oblivion runs like s***. in fact, i get almost twice as much fps with skyrim as with oblivion, and we all know that game doesnt run as well as it should, given x computer power.

 

this present problem is a very recent one. i mean, days old. and it is very very particular. the cause in some way or another is light. firelight, more specifically, but almost all light sources do it. in fact, even if they arent visible, say for example on the other side of a wall, my fps still plummets. the worst culprit so far has been Silverlight armour, which brought me down to 5 fps. in cities it can also get pretty bad at night, but its fine during the day when no guards use torches. outside is also fairly good, except when guards ride by, or near occupied forts. one way or another, firelight is demolishing my fps.

 

now here is what i have done about it so far:

 

followed multiple tweak guides. no effect.

changed the light flicker settings in the .ini. no effect.

installed fps optimizers like streamline. worked well, EXCEPT when there is torchlight. then, no effect.

changed core affinity for oblivion. no effect.

reduced in-game shadow settings as far down as they go. no effect.

enabled 4gb memory for Oblivion.exe. no effect.

forced AA with catalyst. turned it up, turned it down, turned it off both there and in-game. no effect.

disabled script-intensive mods. no effect. i would have disabled lighting mods, but i dont have any.

in desperation, changed every setting i can conceive of in catalyst. no effect.

run the game in windowed mode, in fullscreen mode, at different resolutions. no effect.

installed FXAA-type injector. no effect. disabling it doesnt help either.

fiddled with Oblivion stutter remover .ini. general improvement, but no effect to this particular problem.

EDIT: oblivion.exe 4bg patch. no effect.

EDIT: set core affinity to only 2 cores. not only doesnt have any effect, but the act of changing core affinity INSTANTLY resets.

 

simply put, the instant a torch is on-screen, whether it is really shining on anything or not, whether shadows or light stutter are enabled, i cap out at 10-15 fps. does anyone have any specific knowledge about what this is? and what is causing it?

Edited March 12, 2013 by Elizinator

[Elizinator]

additional actions taken:

 

re-installing msi afterburner. no effect.

disabling overclock in catalyst. no effect. re-enabling it was similarly useless.

changing core and mem clock values with afterburner - and this is REALLY surprising - no effect!

 

however, i did notice something interesting. with the afterburner resource monitor still open, i saw my GPU load. it never went above 40% while the torches were nearby. only when i was way did it shoot up to 70%. let me say that again, because it is weird as hell: when i was nearby a lightsource in oblivion, my fps dropped because my GPU load almost halved. wtf.

 

EDIT: research has disclosed an interesting thing. apparently, i was stupid to even attempt to run Oblivion on a 64b Win7 system. for some reason, that appears to usually critically affect the performance of the game. and im not re-installing windows . . .

Edited March 12, 2013 by Elizinator

[Elizinator]

please, anyone. this NPC lag has no apparently solution to me, and it has made my game largely unplayable.

[Dreamsxord]

additional actions taken:

 

re-installing msi afterburner. no effect.

disabling overclock in catalyst. no effect. re-enabling it was similarly useless.

changing core and mem clock values with afterburner - and this is REALLY surprising - no effect!

 

however, i did notice something interesting. with the afterburner resource monitor still open, i saw my GPU load. it never went above 40% while the torches were nearby. only when i was way did it shoot up to 70%. let me say that again, because it is weird as hell: when i was nearby a lightsource in oblivion, my fps dropped because my GPU load almost halved. wtf.

 

EDIT: research has disclosed an interesting thing. apparently, i was stupid to even attempt to run Oblivion on a 64b Win7 system. for some reason, that appears to usually critically affect the performance of the game. and im not re-installing windows . . .

 

 

additional actions taken:

 

re-installing msi afterburner. no effect.

disabling overclock in catalyst. no effect. re-enabling it was similarly useless.

changing core and mem clock values with afterburner - and this is REALLY surprising - no effect!

 

however, i did notice something interesting. with the afterburner resource monitor still open, i saw my GPU load. it never went above 40% while the torches were nearby. only when i was way did it shoot up to 70%. let me say that again, because it is weird as hell: when i was nearby a lightsource in oblivion, my fps dropped because my GPU load almost halved. wtf.

 

EDIT: research has disclosed an interesting thing. apparently, i was stupid to even attempt to run Oblivion on a 64b Win7 system. for some reason, that appears to usually critically affect the performance of the game. and im not re-installing windows . . .

Show your mod list? You running BOSS to optimize your load order?

[Elizinator]

how do i put my modlist in a spoiler so as not to have a wall of text? and yes, using BOSS, rebuilding patch, all of that.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Elizinator

[bben46]

Have you tried the stuck animation fix yet? There is a stand alone version. http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/5127.

 

Also, try capping the FPS to see if that has any affect - for experimental purposes try capping at around 30fps. If that works, move the cap up until the problem starts then back off a bit for playing.

 

For spoiler code, click on the green square in the top row (BB code), select spoiler from the drop down list. :thumbsup:

 

Example

hidden spoiler - or long mod list.

 

[Elizinator]

yes, i have tried the Wrye Bash repairs, and it detects 0% bloat and like 15% a-bomb

 

my mod list is . . . big. but here it is.

 

 

Active Mod Files:

 

00 Oblivion.esm
01 CCC.esm
02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
07 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
08 RealisticLeveling.esm
09 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.3]
0A UOPS Additional Changes.esp
0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.2]
++ USIPS Additional Changes.esp
0D Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
0E Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
0F Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
10 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
11 Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
12 Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
13 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
14 Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
15 personality_idles4.esp
16 StandingJOJO.esp
17 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42]
18 Streamline 2.1.esp
19 STHotkeys.esp
** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
1A ExnemEyeCandy.esp
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
1B AAbuiesdaqun.esp
1C Alir'sArmor.esp
1D Andragorn_Weapons_Armors.esp
1E Ageha Tortured Soul HGEC.esp
1F BaronArmor.esp
20 Colourwheels Sexy Holy Knight Armor.esp
21 Dynasty Armor A- and B-Cup.esp
22 EY_AoD.esp
23 FEZA Vesta Set.esp
24 homura outfit HGEC.esp
25 Nature's_bounty.esp
26 Noble Plate Armory.esp
27 Queensarmory.esp
28 Shdw_weapon pack01.esp
29 SwordDancer.esp
2A BleachOverhaul.esp
2B 0FDemonSet.esp
2C AT2 01-Shiki Armor Set.esp
2D AT2 02-Shiki Armor Set.esp
2E ExnemWarriorBikini.esp
2F Nauplius Armors.esp
30 R18PN - Ayumi Set.esp
31 R18PN - Bs Bondage.esp
32 R18PN - FuruFuru Armor.esp
33 R18PN - Leere Armor.esp
34 R18PN - Mizugi set.esp
35 TrawlolsCorinthianGladiator.esp
36 Argent Iron Armor.esp
37 ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]
38 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
39 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
3A Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3B Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3C FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3D Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.08a]
3E FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3F Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
40 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
41 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
42 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
43 FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
44 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
45 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
46 Plate Armor Plus - OOO_FCOM_version.esp
47 DarkLight Mithril Armor.esp
48 mystery of mausoleum.esp
49 mythsandlegends.esp
4A Romuska Fantasy Store.esp
4B Knights.esp
4C Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.3]
** EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
4D Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
4E EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
4F XXXXX_XXXXX.esp
50 XXXXX.esp
51 BasicInstinct.esp
52 Mighty Magick - Core.esp [Version 1.2]
++ Mighty Magick - Skills.esp [Version 1.2]
53 Mighty Magick - Magicka Pool Progression.esp [Version 1.2]
54 Mighty Magick - Side Effects.esp [Version 1.2]
++ Mighty Magick - Sigil Stones.esp [Version 1.2]
++ Mighty Magick - Restore Magicka Potions [Vanilla].esp [Version 1.2]
55 Mighty Magick - Restore Magicka Potions [OOO].esp [Version 1.2]
56 MidasSpells.esp
++ MidasSpells - MMR Patch.esp
57 Enchantment Enhanced.esp
58 BAKCreatureDamageControl.esp
59 kuerteeAttributeAndSkillBasedDamageModifiers.esp
5A Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp
5B CTAddPose_v_1.esp
5C CTAddPose_ bondage_sex.esp
5D actors_in_charge.esp
5E 77_Umpa_Animation.esp
5F EFGAddPose.esp
60 shinyEmotions.esp
61 Stylish Jump.esp
62 Slof's Sexy Anims.esp
63 XXXXX.esp
** Woman's Move - Running Animation Replacer.esp
64 CCC.esp
++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]
++ Cobl Balanced Races - MMR Patch.esp
65 KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
66 Syc_SDES_AllEnhancements.esp
67 CL-Excalibur.esp
68 TrawlolsCorinthianPitFighter.esp
69 HGEC AA,B,D-Cup Guard Armor None replacer.esp
6A HGEC AA,B,D-Cup Chainmail None replacer.esp
6B JUSTICE HGEC Steelarmor None Replacer.esp
6C Dalls_Jyggylag.esp
6D HepsCloth04-BlackKitty.esp
6E Navel Piercings TAIL.esp
6F AoD_ACup.esp
70 Ashkandi.esp
71 Wrathful Gladiators Greatsword.esp
72 HanasakuTouken.esp
73 MenaceoutfitHgec.esp
74 Armory of MoM2.esp
75 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
76 77_Umpa_Sexy_walk.esp
77 Synx.esp
78 Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp

 

which comes out to 120 mods.

 

however, as i have said, im doubting that it is a graphics issue, because reducing settings has no effect, and a heavily modded skyrim runs better than oblivion in most places.

[Elizinator]

i also got tes4edit, and am going to start backup up .esps so i can clean some and see if that helps. ive also altered some settings in WB, especially as it pertains to lighting and such. hopefully this gets me more performance.

 

one other reason why i dont think its totally a mod issue: my game is VERY stable. i can play all day with only 1 or 2 crashes. for 120 mods, thats pretty good xD

once i kill the npcs that im fighting, the framerate instantly shoots up. its either the light falling on them while theyre alive, or just them being alive. and no changes to any light function makes a damn vit of difference. i mean that: not a single fps improvement from any of the changes i have made.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Elizinator

[Dreamsxord]

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Edited March 13, 2013 by Dreamsxord

[Dreamsxord]

Mine is actually getting to be pretty bad.. I lag in or out of combat, get a stutter when it switches to a new mp3, and even when I am not near a city.

 

Anyone notice any mods here that stand out as lag bombs?

 

I just recently added low poly grass. I tried removing open cities and I was weirdly still able to enter a city without load screens?

 

I kept trying to get OMG working but it prevented game start every time. Midas is hanging out but I can't use any of his technologies :/

 

 

Oblivion.esm
Zedar.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
CM Partners.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
USIPS Additional Changes.esp
Better Cities .esp
Darker N8.esp
Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael_RD.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Symphony of Violence.esp
PCSoundBrekke.esp
Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp
MagesGuildPortalTowerV1.2.esp
Zedar.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Living Economy.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
Crowded Cities 15.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
Armor of Heaven's Fury-Gold-Heavy.esp
Armor of Heaven's Fury-Gold-Light.esp
CapesandCloaks.esp
Mage Leather Armor.esp
PTArtifacts.esp
Mage Equipment.esp
DarkRoseSet.esp
IndigoArmor.esp
Mount Interaction.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Cobl Tweaks.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Reduced.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mage Equipment - OOO.esp
Battle4Morrowind.esp
Council of Mages Reconvened.esp
CRTRenewed.esp
Mages Guild Quests.esp
ME_MERCENARIES.esp
ScarletMonastery.esp
Toc Toc - The Raven.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp
ElsweyrAnequina.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
PersuasionOverhaul.esp
Borderless Cyrodiil-3578.esp
MidasSpells.esp
NE_Realistic_Blocking.esp
MagesGuildSkillRewards.esp
CM Partners.esp
CM Partners NPC.esp
Cobl Races.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicItemSigil.esp
bgMagicEVStartspells.esp
bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp
bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp
bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp
Drafty Cave.esp
Tharanthiel_Deer_Mount.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities - COBL.esp
Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp