Always crashing unless I toggle Landscape LOD off.

[BFG99]

I finally replaced my 12-year-old laptop and am trying to get Oblivion installed on the new one. Made it through the tutorial dungeon just fine, but I am getting crashes 100% of the time during the load prior to sewer exit...UNLESS I first toggle off LOD using the TLL console command. Then the outside loads fine. It then crashes again, once I'm outside, if I use TLL to turn it back on, after the trees have loaded but before the land does.

 

I am an expert at modding (having built several of my own); I am familiar with and use BOSS, TES4Edit, Wrye Bash, TES4LodGen, TES4LL, LandMagic, PyFFI, Ordenador, and BSAOpt. My copy of Oblivion also has the 4GB patch. Unfortunately, I've tried both the generated LOD (LandMagic + TES4LodGen + TES4LL, in that order), and the vanilla LOD (post-PyFFI and Ordenador), and neither work. I've also tried shutting off every mod and resetting to the default config file...that also didn't work. And I've checked to see if there are any LOD file conflicts in my other BSAs...nothing. So I'm stumped.

 

Is it possible that I damaged the vanilla LOD files with PyFFI or Ordenador or something? I don't understand why both the vanilla and heavily modded loads are crashing. Help is appreciated...

 

Active Mod Files:

00 Oblivion.esm

01 Harvest[Containers].esm

02 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm

03 BathingMod_Base.esm

04 Knights - Revelation.esm

05 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.5.6b]

++ Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

06 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

07 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.9a]

08 Idle Dialogue.esp [Version 1.3]

09 Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1]

0A AliveWaters.esp

0B AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

0C AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp

0D DialogTweaks.esp [Version 1.2.1]

0E See You Sleep DLL.esp

0F Reznod_Mannequin.esp

10 Water Nymphs.esp

11 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.3]

12 Travelers of Cyrodiil.esp

13 Populated Prisons.esp [Version 1.2]

14 kuerteeCleanUp.esp

15 kuerteeSittableRocks.esp

16 Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp

17 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9.3]

18 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.9.3]

19 DLCHorseArmor.esp

1A DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

1B DLCOrrery.esp

1C DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]

1D DLCVileLair.esp

1E DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.11]

1F See You Sleep DLL - DLCVileLair.esp

20 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

21 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]

22 Sounds of Cyrodiil - Mehrune's Razor Add-On.esp [Version 1.0]

23 DLCSpellTomes.esp

++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

24 RTFemaleReplacerV12.esp

25 kuerteeHorseCommands.esp

26 Slof's Horses Base.esp

++ DLCHorseArmor_SlofBase.esp [Version 1.3]

27 DLCThievesDen.esp

28 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.15]

29 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.14]

2A Sounds of Cyrodiil - Thieves' Den Add-On.esp [Version 1.0]

2B Harvest[Containers].esp

2C CurseOfHircine.esp

2D CoH 1st Person Anims.esp

2E CurseOfHircine - Symphony of Night.esp

2F Creature Diversity.esp

30 kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp

31 Smarter Bandits.esp

32 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp

33 Trade and Commerce.esp

34 Trade and Commerce Update.esp [Version 1.03]

35 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp [Version 3.0RC3]

36 RoadLights.esp

37 Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp [Version 3.1]

38 Arena Capacity Crowds-5845.esp

39 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

3A DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.12]

3B DLCFrostcrag.esp

3C DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.10]

3D BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp [Version 1.0.3]

3E Knights.esp

3F Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.8]

40 DLCMergedBooks.esp

41 Knights - Revelation.esp

42 SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp [Version 1.30]

43 RTT.esp

++ RTT-horse-patch.esp

++ Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp

44 ReclaimSancreTor.esp [Version 1.0.5]

45 NakedNord.esp

46 PitcherPlantHarvestable.esp

47 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]

48 Better Dungeons.esp

49 BFG's Open All the Gates.esp

++ ExpandedGreetings.esp [Version 1.1]

4A Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

4B Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.32 DT.esp

4C KT_KhajEyeToggleNoEff.esp

4D P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]

++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp

++ Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 5.4.3]

4E Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]

++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp [Version 2.1.0]

++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0]

++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0]

4F BathingMod_Soap.esp

50 BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp

51 BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp

52 BathingMod_InnsHaveTubs.esp

53 RealisticFatigue.esp

54 RealisticHealth.esp

55 Basic Primary Needs.esp [Version 6.3]

56 EnchantmentRestore.esp

++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp

57 kuerteeClothingMatters.esp

58 DenockArrowToo.esp

59 kuerteeNPCsYield.esp

5A Phitt's Phighting Phixes.esp

5B BFG's Enhanced Armory.esp

++ DremoraFemales.esp

5C 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04]

++ Vsleepinjail.esp

++ 1em_Vilja_Bruse_as_Slofs_horse_by_Xtudo.esp

5D Female Xivilai.esp

5E Female Ogres LL.esp

++ LandMagicPatch.esp

5F UOPversionVoicesForFemaleDremora.esp

60 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[BFG99]

I suspect there must be something wrong with one of the meshes in the Oblivion - Meshes BSA. Perfhaps I damaged a NIF file when I ran everything through PyFFI. I can think of no other reason why turning on LOD would always lead to a crash, even when I only load the vanilla mods with the default configuration settings and no generated LOD or other loose files.

 

Would anyone be willing to send a copy of the vanilla (unaltered) Landscape and Trees folders (and anything else that might be relevant) from this BSA? I'd prefer to avoid having to completely reinstall just to source a handful of files. It took me days to get everything set up. But, I know asking for this is dicey, so if I have to reinstall, so be it.

 

I'm also open to suggestions on anything else it might be. I tried Conscribe, Crash Logger and Message Logger (all OBSE plugins), as well as the Windows Event Viewer...none of them gave any relevant info.

Edited December 20, 2020 by BFG99

[Pellape]

You can always generate new LOD files and the best tool for it that I found might be Landscape LOD generator tes4ll-v5 and you can decide what quality you want the LOD should have as well. I do like performance so I used medium. Just doubleclick one of the provided bat files and it looks true your modlist and install complete LODs. Even if you did not had any LOD problems, you would like that anyway.

 

You can also do it from CS if you want...

 

Alsop some mods do not like each others and I have had some crashes and disasters outside the sewers myself until I found a nice working combo of mods for sure. Oblivion is very sensible so be very careful what you install as no other TES game is as unstable as this one for sure but it is a fun game, no doubt, in between all the crashes. :wink:

Edited December 20, 2020 by Pellape

[BFG99]

Thanks for your reply. TES4LL is one of the tools I used to generate new LOD files, so that was not the issue. I have confirmed it does appear to be due to a critical file damaged in Oblivion - Meshes. I managed to reextract the file from my DVD, plug it in, and voila...no more crashes. So I'll need to rebuild that file from vanilla, SI, the DLCs, and the unofficial patches. Still better than reinstalling from scratch though!

[Pellape]

You know your Oblivion for sure and I agree as it sure takes some time to do it as I did a lot when I restarted Oblivion again. :D

 

Crashblivion... ;)