Nudity?

[Skotte]

Ah ok, I'll try again later then

[Circuitous]

i do play (the game) It just kind of irked me abit when I'd be taking the gear from a dead raider & suddenly they have on more clothes than before I touched the body.

 

It's a corpse, what does it matter what it's wearing?

 

Eh, nevermind, I don't care. It just seems silly.

[Pyro Paul]

Now I don't knock anyone who wants these mods or makes these mods. But I could see a better use of time. It's like what Jerry Seinfeld said... we have scientists working on seedless watermelons when we have things like cancer.

 

 

It is our time, and we can spend it doing what ever we want to do.

And if it is what we want to do, then there is no better use for it.

it is what makes us human.

 

of course then again,

why do you develope relationships with other individuals? i could see a better use of time than socializing.

why do you eat meals which are prepared from scratch? i could see a better use of time.

why fall in love and have children? i could see a more effecent and better use of your time.

 

 

 

I particularly hate that Seinfeld statement... to say that those scientists working on seedless watermelons are just wasting their time and could be doing something 'better' is just a stupid statement, considering that such research could prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by geneticly inhereted deiseases... but who cares about that... Cancer! woo. Lets all do what YOU Want to do Jerry...

[sumoftwosins]

so several people agree that when clothing is removed from an NPC, they should be naked for the aspect of realism... but it should only occur in the instance of women?

 

 

I apologize if I offended anyone. I am simply remarking upon the above paradox of reality.

[enkephalin07]

so several people agree that when clothing is removed from an NPC, they should be naked for the aspect of realism... but it should only occur in the instance of women?

QFT. I think it's just a matter of time before Oblivion's better bodies artists turn their attention toward both sexes. And it shouldn't be a difficult port from Oblivion.

 

IMO, the handling of sexuality on FO3 has been extremely prudish compared to previous titles. The earlier games weren't explicit, but sexuality was often casually placed, and while not always humorous, always kept a comfortable sense of fun. This FO seems to hold sexual activity in an awkward light, and any reference is tinged with manipulation, violence, crime, or an out and out revulsion not characteristic of a population living in such harsh survival conditions.

 

Sure, they're liberal with the gory splatters and vulgar speech, but sex appears to be too naughty for the writers to look at frankly. (I got news for them; sex is only naughty when done right, and judging from their squeamish examination of it, I highly doubt any of them are capable of doing it right.)

 

And then there's the mod that's turning the game into some kind of hentai dating sim, which seems pretty unnecessary. If anything, why not a companion system with a broader scope of character interaction, and allow potential for intimacy to be a sideshow novelty rather than the main event?

[sumoftwosins]

And then there's the mod that's turning the game into some kind of hentai dating sim, which seems pretty unnecessary. If anything, why not a companion system with a broader scope of character interaction, and allow potential for intimacy to be a sideshow novelty rather than the main event?

 

I can agree with that. As in Big Town, there was that girl.... who had a dialog option about being single or something of the sorts. I definitely feel there should have been some more character bonding.

[jansonmercenary]

I've noticed that some of the highest downloaded mods in the file section are nudity related. I might just be different and hell it might just be my age. I do recall when I was like 15 having a mod for Doom that had the walls re textured with pictures of tits... and sure I thought it was cool. So what is the big deal and the need for naked people in games? They do have software specifically for that. Hell I've seen some requests for real sex and things like. I can understand the game needing to close to real and everyone should get laid, but I don't want to play a game that is too real. What I mean by that is I don't see the "thrill" in watching my character take a crap or anything else for that matter.

 

Now I don't knock anyone who wants these mods or makes these mods. But I could see a better use of time. It's like what Jerry Seinfeld said... we have scientists working on seedless watermelons when we have things like cancer.

 

 

Sorry, just needed to take a break from my mod and rant a bit.

 

Now first off, I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm going to generalize, so as not to pick on you squarely.

 

So... Are people still this uptight about nudity and sex? Punching people's heads off and gunning down an entire town before nuking it to rubble is okay, so long as we don't have to see breasts?

 

You see, sex is as natural and crucial to life as any other aspect. Without it, humanity dies off. And it's a shame that people are taught to shun and hide something so pervasive in the survival of our species.

 

Sex in the US is a curious taboo. Publicly, sex appeal is seen as a marketing tool, saturating television and print media in order to sell products. But as soon as a nipple is revealed [see Janet Jackson] -- *gasp* -- controversy... It's a hypocrisy. And you know what? We need to get over it, because it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

While games aren't meant to be 100% realistic, there are certain expectations that need to be met in order for the developers to reel their players in their world. Fallout is a world wrought with strife, poverty, and evil. It's a breeding ground for despicable acts in order for one to survive. And the most basic form this is easily sex. A woman's most abundant service would undoubtedly be Nova's profession. So in a game that's so one-sided towards insane amounts of death and violence, where's all the sex?

 

I'll tell you what, yes, I did download one of the many nude female mods, and the "speedo" mod for males. I remember raiding the Raider bazaar at Evergreen Mills. And I unknowingly gunned my way into a developer-made brothel, in which the naked clientele tried to kill me. And really, seeing that made a much bigger impact of where I was than if they were merely wearing pristine underwear.

 

So ultimately, I guess what I'm saying is that I'm a big boy, and I'm not nearly as naive as society wants me to be. I play games to get away from the humdrum of work; not to escape from the "undesirable awkwardness" of sex. Far from it. If I pick up a mature-rated game -- a game designed for adults -- why would I only expect foul language and violence? In a game where sex is expected to be rampant, there's actually a feeling of sterilization of its blatant absence. I hope in the next five-to-ten years, more developers will start growing a pair, and begin to straddle the lines of what they can get away with to make their mature games . . . well, mature. I know, I know... Sex != mature. But it doesn't equal mindless reading material, either. No, not every mature game needs sex. It doesn't work for all concepts. I'm not asking for masturbatory material. here. I'm asking that my intelligence and taste in subject matter not be insulted because of some laden fear of stupid soccer moms pounding down their doors complaining about a game their kids have no business playing.

[enkephalin07]

As in Big Town, there was that girl.... who had a dialog option about being single or something of the sorts. I definitely feel there should have been some more character bonding.

Agreed, but the character developed in her added a baggage of abberance to any possible sexual interaction that supports what I said above about the designers making sexual situations almost purposely distasteful. The situation with Grady was similar, and I think this is really telling of the designers' sex lives that in his case, he was repressed by his own ham-handedness and poor personal skills.

 

Sex in the US is a curious taboo. Publicly, sex appeal is seen as a marketing tool, saturating television and print media in order to sell products. But as soon as a nipple is revealed [see Janet Jackson] -- *gasp* -- controversy... It's a hypocrisy. And you know what? We need to get over it, because it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Agreed, there's that element of manipulation that slithers through the mature themes in this game. Whereas in previous Fallouts sexual situations were an unencumbered and brief bit of fun before carrying on with the story, here it's displayed as a bit of a tease on that unsubtly hints to the player that it only leads to dissatisfaction.

[sumoftwosins]

You see, sex is as natural and crucial to life as any other aspect. Without it, humanity dies off. And it's a shame that people are taught to shun and hide something so pervasive in the survival of our species.

Do you have daughters?

 

There was a time when you did hide things, not just sexual tastes or other vices... but personal information in almost any regard. It was a time when people were more reserved rather than refined.

 

I can agree, that under the nature of this game with slavery and what not... that there would be an expectation of adult content, but I've never had a problem with game developers leaving an area open to imagination. Unfortunately developers are sometime limited in time and I'd prefer to spend my $50 towards a company that focused the time on technology, plot, and playability rather animating a sex scene or other elements that you can easily know what is taking place and move on.

 

 

And with the naked bodies again after you take their clothes... are you wanting to steal their armor or their underwear?

[Rekicker]

*snip*

And with the naked bodies again after you take their clothes... are you wanting to steal their armor or their underwear?

 

Take everything except what the wild dogs will eat. In the post-apocolyptic future, I should be able to sell raider undies for a decent profit, right?

 

/whisper I'm just trying to swing this thread back around to where it started: a light-hearted, jesting observation.