YouDoNotKnowMyName Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Good evening everybody! Well, I just got a notification on my PC that Adobe Flash Player wil automaticallyl be disabled because it is no longer supported from the december 31 on. Does this have any effect on FO4? Because FO4 uses flash stuff for the UI, right? And does that mean that nobody will be able to create custom UI stuff for FO4 any more?Since Flash won't be supported, that sureley means that the tools needed to do stuff with it will no longer be available .... I am really scared by all of this ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted77601483User Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I doubt it has any effects on the game since they're stopping support for the Flash Player (allows flash programs in your browser) and not any flash authoring software (adobe animate etc.) that you use to make the UI stuff. Fo4 also uses scaleform for running the UI which I don't think is dependent on the flash player. And since 76 uses scaleform too in almost the same exact way as fo4, Bethesda would have probably updated the UI system of 76 a long time ago already, which I don't think they have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouDoNotKnowMyName Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 I doubt it has any effects on the game since they're stopping support for the Flash Player (allows flash programs in your browser) and not any flash authoring software (adobe animate etc.) that you use to make the UI stuff. Fo4 also uses scaleform for running the UI which I don't think is dependent on the flash player. And since 76 uses scaleform too in almost the same exact way as fo4, Bethesda would have probably updated the UI system of 76 a long time ago already, which I don't think they have done.Oh ...So it's just all the flash stuff inside the browsers and for websites that will be gone ...Good! But I think it won't take long until all the other flash stuff will be "disabled" too ...(Maybe a few years?)They probably have some code in there that can disable it if they like ...Or they will implement something like this with a "forced update" (they will probably claim it is "just for security reasons"). And then all the "old" stuff won'r work anymore and everybody that still want to play or mod the "old games" (Skyrim or FO4 will be very old in a decade or something) is screwed!And I don't want the ability to play / mod old games to be taken away from me! Well, I am making a backup copy of everything right now, just in case ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted77601483User Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Flash itself could be described as more of a "standard" than anything concrete. It's basically instructions on how the swf file format should work. Programs use these standards to make it possible to develop the swf in one place and execute it in another. Then there is different types of authoring software (flash builder and animate for example) that are used to make the swf files. Then there's different types of software used to execute those files (flash player and scaleform for example). Scaleform is used in Fallout 4 and 76 to run the swf-based interfaces. The only way for flash to completely die would be if there are no software to make flash programs and there would be no software to execute them. There hasn't been a single piece of evidence to point to a scenario like that. And since flash as a standard is available for everyone, adobe can't just disable the entirety of flash. You could even probably make your own software to create and execute swf files. Flash is still used to make stuff for other things and adobe is still selling their animate software to create flash files. So I wouldn't worry about the flash player end of life affecting anything related to games running flash interfaces. The flash player and scaleform are so far from each other (and even owned by different companies) so I wouldn't expect anything to happen ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouDoNotKnowMyName Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Flash itself could be described as more of a "standard" than anything concrete. It's basically instructions on how the swf file format should work. Programs use these standards to make it possible to develop the swf in one place and execute it in another. Then there is different types of authoring software (flash builder and animate for example) that are used to make the swf files. Then there's different types of software used to execute those files (flash player and scaleform for example). Scaleform is used in Fallout 4 and 76 to run the swf-based interfaces. The only way for flash to completely die would be if there are no software to make flash programs and there would be no software to execute them. There hasn't been a single piece of evidence to point to a scenario like that. And since flash as a standard is available for everyone, adobe can't just disable the entirety of flash. You could even probably make your own software to create and execute swf files. Flash is still used to make stuff for other things and adobe is still selling their animate software to create flash files. So I wouldn't worry about the flash player end of life affecting anything related to games running flash interfaces. The flash player and scaleform are so far from each other (and even owned by different companies) so I wouldn't expect anything to happen ever.Oh, ok, that makes sense! Sorry, I guess I just got "triggered" by the possibility of "somebody trying to take FO4 away from me". Thanks for the explaination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted77601483User Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 No problem, feel free to ask if something wasn't clear enough in my explanation :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouDoNotKnowMyName Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 No, I think I got it! Flash = the technology for displaying interctive stuff (UI in games, browser stuff, ...)Flash player = the thing in the web browser that can display that flash stuffScaleform (or whatever it is called) = the thing that is used to display flash stuff for games and things like that (Oversimplified, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted77601483User Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Yes, basically as you described. That would be the way I'd simplify the terms. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouDoNotKnowMyName Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 "Simplified" because the flashplayer / the scaleform stuff doesn't just "display" things, it also takes mouse and keyboard input and "feeds" it to the actionscript programming inside the "flash file". Or something like that ... Basically like the "interface" between the screen / mouse / keyboard and the sctual flash file / actionscript. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted77601483User Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Yes, scaleform basically takes keyboard and mouse inputs from the user and feeds them as events to the actionscript in the swf file. It takes actions from the user and gives the visual user interface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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