Gun control and violence

[ImmortalSnafu]

Guns make killing much easier. If you have a knife from the kitchen...you'll have stab someone dozens of times to kill them on the spot. You'd almost have to be insane to do that. A gun just takes a click of a trigger to kill a person instantly.

[UberBender]

Not really "just a click of the trigger."

 

1. You need to go buy all the stuff. (gun, ammo, etc.)

 

2. Know how to use it. (training, safety classes, etc.)

 

3. Plan to use it. (people don't usually commit "random" crimes)

 

4. Use it. (load it, rooster it, aim, turn off the safety, squeeze the trigger)'

 

And that $5000 dollars a bullet thing is from a Chris Rock skit.

[ImmortalSnafu]

If you have a loaded gun, all you need is to flip the safety and pull the trigger to kill someone. All those steps you outlined would probably only be followed by a law-abiding gun owner.

[Zmid]

If guns are outlawed, the cost of a gun and ammunition wouls skyrocket. If someone is going to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on a gun they probably won't waste their time robbing your house or murdering you. They'd leave you alone. You'd have nothing to protect yourself against.

they should make the guns very cheap but the bullets unpayable like 5000$ per magazine :wacko:

But all that would do is mean that only the very rich could afford to have a gun and have ammo for it.

 

anyways guns arent dangerous the people who use them are dangerous

 

Yep, but dangerous people are less dangerous if they don't have a gun.

 

if trained well you can waste many people just jusing ancient weapons or stuff that u find in the kitchen

 

you should know how much damage 5 liters of bleech water would do to a small drinking supply or a simple bactreia if you do it correctly u can make antrhax in the fridge and the best part is that it is all explained in the sience books of a 16 year old so just imagine how much you can do with simple kitchen stuff

 

But this requires knowledge and/or training and/or the time to do it and/or more effort than simply 'point and pull the trigger'.

[ImmortalSnafu]

Well said White Wolf.

[Peregrine]

The lack of skill issue is a reason FOR gun ownership!

 

If people (assuming, for purposes of discussion, that criminals won't get black market guns) are forced to use melee weapons for fighting, the balance of power suddenly shifts massively in favor of the criminal. With a knife, fists, etc, strength and size are going to win the majority of the time. I, for example, would have zero chance of surviving an attack by someone with a knife, unless they want me to live. I, like many other people, simply don't have the strength to do it.

 

Now, the alternative is that people have guns for defense. Even if it's only a 50/50 chance of survival for me gun vs. gun, that's a 50% chance that I wouldn't have otherwise. With guns available, even the weakest victim can defend themselves effectively.

[ImmortalSnafu]

Realistically, that's not true. You'd have much less of a chance than 50/50 unless there were exceptional circumstances.

[Peregrine]

Or much more, depending on the situation. In a defensive position, in my own house, make that 90% in my favor. If I'm aware of their presence, they're dead. I know my house, and I'll be behind cover with my sights on the only door in.... if they want me dead, they aren't getting it. It would be the same for anyone else.

 

 

Now of course this might be different for other cases.... but let's look at getting attacked outside somewhere. To be generous, I'll even give the attacker a 75% chance of winning. But that's still suicide odds for the criminal... try to harm/rob four people and they're dead. Is it going to be worth it to try to get that wallet? Even if not a single shot is fired, the knowledge that the victims are armed and capable of fighting back with deadly force is going to cut the crime rate.

[ImmortalSnafu]

It might cut down petty crimes, but at the same time it might elevate the murder rate or gun accident rate.

[_it_]

Guns make killing much easier. If you have a knife from the kitchen...you'll have stab someone dozens of times to kill them on the spot. You'd almost have to be insane to do that. A gun just takes a click of a trigger to kill a person instantly.

a good slice in the neck will be sufficiant to kill some one

 

if you build a dunbomb you can blow up a building the size of a medium sky scraper and really it aint hard to make 1

 

just watch daily tv like discovery or pay attention in sience and see how many you can pick up on making dangerous things

 

btw guns are 4 wimps if you want a fare fight use your fists or a sword may sound corny but thats what i think

 

 

 

But most illegal guns are legal guns obtained in an illegal manner (smuggled into the country, stolen from a gunshop, sold by a gunshop but without the necessary paperwork, whatever). Stop the flow of legal guns into the country, you massively reduce the flow of illegal guns, and also make it easier for the police to crack down on the illegal guns already in the country.

 

If the source is starved, how are these criminals going to get guns?

 

get them legally buy a semi tec 9 soup it up to a full auto and u have columbine all over again

 

in america it is legal to have a full auto m4 sopmod currently used by special divisions like delta force and SEAL

 

u can buy a 12 gauge shotgun to guard your kids and wife not a full auto m4 its overkill and should be ilegal and if your using the hunt excuse if you fire a 5.65 armor pearcing round there wont be much left of your prey