Crash at Germantown Police HQ and several other locations

[sicPanicmode]

Hi,

 

as mentioned in the Title I am experiencing a lot of crashes at several locations in the wasteland.

Germantown Police HQ in particular. Everytime I try to approach Germantown Police HQ from the south the game crashes.

Some areas where this happened i could simply walk around the "Crash Area" but not here.

I am using the exact load order specified in the FWE Readme, and also have all of the necessary compatability patches installed.

 

my Load Order:

 

 

GameMode=Fallout3

 

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

CRAFT.esm

CALIBR.esm

Project Beauty.esm

HairPack.esm

20th Century Weapons.esm

EVE.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp

Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

SelfSurgeryKit.esp

BAN - Dupe This.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Larger Blood.esp

dD-Less Blood Time.esp

dD-Less Screen Blood Time.esp

20th Century ALIVE (Vendor) v2.esp

20th Century ALIVE (NPC) v2.esp

20th Century ALIVE (Raider) v2.esp

20th Century ALIVE (Talon_Regulator) v2.esp

20th Century ALIVE (Brotherhood_Outcast) v2.esp

20th Century ALIVE (Vault 101) v3.esp

20th Century ALIVE (Chinese Ghoul) v3.esp

20th Century ALIVE (SuperMutant) v3.esp

20th Century ALIVE (TEST Container).esp

BLTC.esp

BLTC Immersion Patch.esp

BLTC Hypo Fix.esp

BLTC Less Addictions.esp

BLTC No Visual Effects.esp

BLTC No Overdosing.esp

Ammo Box Respawn.esp

Enclave Ammo Box Respawn.esp

medkit and toolbox respawn.esp

2-Day-Respawn.esp

Zan_AutoPurge_SmartAgro.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp

WeaponModKits.esp

WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

EVE.esp

EVE Operation Anchorage.esp

EVE - FWE Master Release.esp

EVE - FWE Master Release (Follower Enhanced).esp

EVE Anchorage - FWE DLC Anchorage.esp

EVE - FWE with WeaponModKits.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.esp

MergedPatch.esp

 

 

As you can see I also created a Merged Patch and did the FO3MasterUpdate.

I suspect the source of the crashes to be MMM but im not quiet certain and i also would like to keep the mod running if somehow possible.

 

if anyone could help me resolve this isseu it would be really great!

 

greetings,

Panic

 

EDIT: I completely disabled MMM, yet the game still crashedat the same place it crashed before

Edited March 24, 2013 by sicPanicmode

[prensa]

sicPanicmode - Hello!

Looking at your load order & I see you have a few MMM plugins that you don't need.

You need to untick & delete all of these:

Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp

Are included in the Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp FOIP patch which you are missing.

It's meant to be used as well as the Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp that you have, not instead of. So that should leave your MMM load order thus:

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm (Fine where it is)


Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.esp

Remember to remake your Merged Patch after making the changes.

As to your crashing, if it persists, try turning off all your mods & see if you get the crashing.

If no crashing, it's definitely one of your mods.

Turn them back on one mod (or group of mods) at a time, checking in game between each to see if the problem has returned. That way you can identify the culprit.

Remember to leave your Merged Patch off during the testing as leaving it on can interfere with testing.

Hope this helps!

Prensa

[sicPanicmode]

Hello Prensa,

 

thank you for your suggestions.

I have reinstalled a few mods and deinstalled a few i did not use, and noticed as you said I forgot a few Compatability Patches.

 

my new Load order:

 

 

 

GameMode=Fallout3

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
Project Beauty.esm
HairPack.esm
20th Century Weapons.esm
EVE.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp
Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp
SelfSurgeryKit.esp
FWE weapons pack.esp
BAN - Dupe This.esp
20th Century ALIVE (Vendor) v2.esp
20th Century ALIVE (NPC) v2.esp
20th Century ALIVE (Raider) v2.esp
20th Century ALIVE (Talon_Regulator) v2.esp
20th Century ALIVE (Brotherhood_Outcast) v2.esp
20th Century ALIVE (Vault 101) v3.esp
20th Century ALIVE (Chinese Ghoul) v3.esp
20th Century ALIVE (SuperMutant) v3.esp
20th Century ALIVE (TEST Container).esp
Enclave Ammo Box Respawn.esp
Ammo Box Respawn.esp
medkit and toolbox respawn.esp
Zan_AutoPurge_SmartAgro.esp
2-Day-Respawn.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp
WeaponModKits.esp
WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp
WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp
WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp
WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp
WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp
WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp
EVE.esp
EVE Operation Anchorage.esp
EVE - FWE Master Release.esp
EVE - FWE Master Release (Follower Enhanced).esp
EVE Anchorage - FWE DLC Anchorage.esp
EVE - FWE with WeaponModKits.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + DLCs.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release + Project Beauty.esp
MergedPatch.esp

 

 

 

I tried to go near Germantown Police HQ with these mods activated, but the game crashed again.

 

So I tried disabling all mods and trying to go to the Police HQ with Vanilla, but i still got a crash with no mods active at all!

 

I have no idea what else I could try to get it work Oo

 

EDIT: I noticed I forgot to disable Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp, so I deleted that, waited 4 days to reset the cells and tried again to go to the Police HQ, now, it seems, the game crashes even more often ...

Edited March 25, 2013 by sicPanicmode

[prensa]

sicPanicmode - Hello!

 

"I noticed I forgot to disable Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp, so I deleted that"

 

Did you remember to remake your Merged Patch after removing the Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp?

 

"So I tried disabling all mods and trying to go to the Police HQ with Vanilla, but i still got a crash with no mods active at all!"

 

That would suggest there's something wrong other than your mods. Either your savegame or your Fallout set up.

 

Is it a crash to desktop you're getting or a freeze?

 

If it's a freeze & you have a multicore computer it's probably the Fallout 3 multi core bug.

Fallout 3 has trouble with multi core computers, mainly with ones that have more than two cores & use hyperthreading.

There is a fix, you need to edit your Fallout 3 .ini file.

The one you want to change is:

For XP:

My Documents\My Games\Fallout3\

For Vista & Win7:

Documents\My Games\Fallout3

The file you want will be called:

FALLOUT.ini

Open the .ini with Notepad & change this line:

bUseThreadedAI=0

to:

bUseThreadedAI=1

& insert this line under it:

iNumHWThreads=2

Save & close your ini.

 

If it's not a freeze or you don't have a multicore, try making a clean save without your mods active.

 

Switch off all mods, load up your game, go to your Megaton/Tenpenny home & wait 4 game days, save & exit the game.

 

Switch back on all your mods & reload. See if you can get to Germantown now.

 

Also, do you have any texture packs installed? They don't have .esp's or .esm's so can't be unticked & you wouldn't think of them when turning off other mods.

 

Sometimes hi res texture packs can be too much in certain areas if their concentration is high depending on your rigs capabilities.

 

If you're using a Texture pack, uninstall it & see if you can travel to that area without it.

 

If still no joy, have you made any tweaks to your .ini recently? If so, try turning the changed setting back to default & see what happens.

Hope this helps!

Prensa

[sicPanicmode]

Hello Prensa,

 

yes after disabling Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp i remade the Merged Patch.

 

What I am getting is a crash to desktop, I always get the message "Fallout3.exe has stopped working"

 

I also already added the lines you suggested to my FALLOUT.ini, as I do have a multicore processor.

 

I also do have a few Texture Packs Installed, but I would think my Rig could handle them.

 

And last but not least i also made a few more changes to the FALLOUT.ini:

 

 

 

bUseThreadedBlood=1

bUseThreadedMorpher=1

bUseThreadedTempEffects=1

bUseThreadedParticleSystem=1

bUseThreadedAI=1

bUseMultiThreadedFaceGen=1

bUseMultiThreadedTrees=1

bMultiThreadAudio=0

iNumHavokThreads=5

 

 

bBackgroundLoadLipFiles=1

bLoadBackgroundFaceGen=1

bBackgroundCellLoads=1

bLoadHelmetsInBackground=1

iBackgroundLoadLoading=1

bBackgroundPathing=1

bBackgroundNavmeshUpdate=1

bCloneModelsInBackground=1

 

uInterior Cell Buffer=16

uExterior Cell Buffer=102

 

uGridsToLoad=9

 

took it from this guide http://www.tweakguides.com/Fallout3_8.html

 

 

My Rig btw:

 

 

Radeon HD 7950 3gb vram

12GB RAM

AMD FX 8150

Windows 7 64x

 

[M48A5]

I think this is your problem: uGridsToLoad=9

I think you may have overlooked this line in the tweaks:

"There may even be more prominent stuttering as well, not to mention the possibility of visual glitches and the greater likelihood of crashes due to the extra memory usage."

If you have not made the game large address aware, it makes no difference how much ram you have installed, the game will only use 2GB. When it runs out of RAM, the game will crash.

[sicPanicmode]

Hello M48A5,

 

I am quiet certain you just solved my Problem!

I reset the uGridsToLoad to the default value of 5 and I was actually able to enter the area around Germantown Police HQ this time.

 

just to make sure I also tried loading up my savegame where I was standing inside the area where the game crashed before, then going into the FALLOUT.ini and changing the value from 5 to 7.

Then after using refini in the console the game crashed, so I think thats what was causing it.

 

I was initially modifying this value because i used the Large Address Aware Enabler for Fallut 3 and thought with 12GB Ram My Computer could handle it.

 

Thank you both very much for your help!

 

greetings,

Panic

[prensa]

sicPanicmode - Hello!

Glad you got it fixed! :)

M48A5, good catch! :)

Prensa