CTD on loading from a save

[usrnmxz]

Up until about 15-18 hours into the game everything was fairly stable, but afterwards the game started to crash when loading from a save, it wasn't often at first, but as time went on the ctds became more common, now, 25+ hours into the game, it is impossible to play.
It doesn't happen in any other way, only on loading screens, 2-10 seconds into loading.
I've noticed that it wouldn't crash the first time I load the game from a menu, but should I try loading again, just 15 seconds later, the game crashes.
My saves don't exceed the string limit.

Also, it doesn't matter what cell the game was saved in, as it seems to crash just about everywhere, my older saves work fine.

Troubleshooting I've tried so far:
-disabling mods
-cleaning my saves with SaveTool
-launching a game without skse
-removing/tweaking Skyrim, SkyrimPrefs and enb
-allocating more memory
-various "crash-bug-ctd-etc" fixes from nexus

Any help would be much appreciated.

Load order:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
5 5 Dragonborn.esm
6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
7 7 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
8 8 SkyMoMod.esm
9 9 Campfire.esm
10 a Omegared99-Compilation.esm
11 b Lootification.esm
12 c WM Flora Fixes.esp
13 d ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
14 e ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
15 f notice board.esp
16 10 Gray Fox Cowl.esm
17 11 Cutting Room Floor.esp
18 12 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
19 13 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
20 14 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
21 15 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
22 16 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
23 17 Convenient Horses.esp
24 18 Decrease Bow Damage -Basic.esp
25 19 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
26 1a EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
27 1b Unique Region Names.esp
28 1c ELFX - Exteriors.esp
29 1d overhaul.esp
30 1e SleepingDangers-SandsofTime.esp
31 1f RealisticRoomRental.esp
32 20 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
33 21 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
34 22 PIVariety.esp
35 23 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp
36 24 Purewaters.esp
37 25 WetandCold.esp
38 26 AOS.esp
39 27 Rebirth Monster.esp
40 28 ASIS Vampire Falmer Fix.esp
ASIS-Encounter Zones.esp
41 29 AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
42 2a asUI.esp
43 2b Character Creation Overhaul.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim CCO Patch.esp
44 2c Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
45 2d Animations.esp
46 2e ArrowRecoverySystemOverhaul.esp
CACO_CRF.esp
MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
47 2f CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp
DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp
48 30 SkyUI.esp
49 31 Dual Sheath Redux.esp
50 32 Extended UI.esp
51 33 FNIS.esp
52 34 FISS.esp
53 35 Footprints.esp
54 36 getSnowy.esp
55 37 Grimy Utilities Interface.esp
IceBreaker's Improved Reverb v0.025.esp
56 38 Immersive Archey.esp
iHUD.esp
57 39 3DNPC.esp
58 3a ETaC - Complete.esp
59 3b GreatWarSkyrim.esp
60 3c RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp
61 3d Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
62 3e Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
63 3f Advanced ROTE - SIC Patch.esp
64 40 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
65 41 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
66 42 Awesome Artifacts.esp
67 43 Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp
Summermyst - TrueWeapons.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
68 44 High Level Enemies.esp
Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
69 45 Here There Be Monsters.esp
70 46 Here There Be Monsters - Call of Cthulhu.esp
71 47 Mapseller Dragonborn.esp
72 48 Helgen Reborn.esp
73 49 Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
74 4a ETaC - Complete ELFX Patch.esp
Realistic Boat Bobbing.esp
75 4b SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
76 4c OBIS.esp
77 4d OBISDB.esp
78 4e Civil War Overhaul.esp
79 4f Combat Evolved.esp
80 50 Immersive Weapons.esp
81 51 RealShelter.esp
82 52 Solstheim - The Lost Levels.esp
83 53 Monster Contracts.esp
84 54 SkyMoMod Lore-Friendly Purist No Dragons.esp
85 55 Immersive Whiterun.esp
86 56 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
87 57 WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
WAF_CCF_SIC Patch.esp
88 58 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
89 59 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
90 5a Immersive Solstheim.esp
91 5b DFB - Random Encounters.esp
92 5c Waves.esp
93 5d Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
94 5e Inconsequential NPCs.esp
95 5f SMIM-Merged-All.esp
96 60 Artifacts.esp
97 61 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
98 62 PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp
99 63 Tentapalooza.esp
100 64 Unique Unique.esp
101 65 overhaulDG.esp
102 66 ArmorDisguises.esp
103 67 SkyTEST-HarderCreatures.esp
104 68 TorchesForSkyrim.esp
105 69 Long lost smelters by Hyralux.esp
106 6a RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
107 6b Bring Out Your Dead - Legendary Edition.esp
108 6c Immersive Patrols II.esp
109 6d overhaulHF.esp
110 6e Mapseller Dawnguard.esp
111 6f Frostfall.esp
ETaC - Complete Moon Patch.esp
112 70 Blacksmith Chests.esp
113 71 ETaC - Complete Helgen Reborn Patch.esp
RBB - Wyrmstooth.esp
114 72 TradeRoutes.esp
115 73 WheelsOfLull.esp
116 74 UMSOspears.esp
117 75 Shortcuts.esp
118 76 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
119 77 Mapseller.esp
120 78 alcoholiceffect.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp
121 79 FriendlyCreaturesv1.1.esp
122 7a mjhReducedGoldRewards.esp
123 7b notice board - dragonborn patch.esp
124 7c Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
125 7d ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
126 7e DisableRangedKillCams1.6.esp
127 7f Real Clouds.esp
128 80 ACE BYOG.esp
129 81 Skytest Real Wildlife Skyrim.esp
130 82 Path of Shadows.esp
131 83 Duel - Combat Realism.esp
132 84 Action Combat.esp
OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp
ISC CCF Patch.esp
ISC WAFR Patch.esp
ISC MLU Patch.esp
Awesome Artifacts - ISC Patch.esp
Awesome Artifacts - WAF_TrueLvlListsMoreSteelLessIron.esp
133 85 Faction Crossbows.esp
CACO_AOS_Patch.esp
CCO_SIC_Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-WinterEdition.esp
134 86 SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp
135 87 DeadlyDragons.esp
136 88 Mortal Enemies.esp
137 89 Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp
138 8a konahrik_accoutrements_dpe.esp
139 8b Dwemer Spectres Legendary.esp
140 8c DwemerBooks.esp
141 8d DwemerCoins.esp
142 8e dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
FloraRespawnFix.esp
143 8f FireBurns.esp
144 90 High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp
145 91 DSerHorsesRevamped.esp
146 92 ReadingTakesTime.esp
hmkLockOn.esp
147 93 LootandDegradation.esp
148 94 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
149 95 Melt_Down_Everything.esp
150 96 Merchants Reply Only With Take A Look.esp
151 97 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
152 98 MorrowindImports.esp
153 99 NPCsUseAmmoAllBows.esp
154 9a NPCWaterAIScripted.esp
No More Glowing Edges.esp
155 9b NonEssentialChildren.esp
PeacefulMudcrabs.esp
156 9c Project Ultimatum.esp
157 9d RaceMenu.esp
158 9e RaceMenuPluginRagnaroc.esp
realrainCoT.esp
Realistic Gold Weight.esp
159 9f Realistic-Voice.esp
160 a0 RealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp
161 a1 PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
162 a2 Skytest Immersive Creatures.esp
163 a3 Skytest Monster Mod.esp
164 a4 SkyTweak.esp
165 a5 SSoB.esp
166 a6 SkyrimConfigMenu.esp
summermyst-MLU patch.esp
167 a7 HitStop.esp
168 a8 TKRecoil.esp
169 a9 TakeNotes.esp
170 aa Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
171 ab TradeRoutes-ETaC-Patch.esp
Traps Make Noise.esp
172 ac TwoRings.esp
173 ad Unique Uniques.esp
UMSOsmithingPerkDescriptions.esp
174 ae WarmongerArmory_DLC.esp
175 af WarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp
176 b0 WeaponsOf3E.esp
177 b1 WeaponsOf3E - No Leveled Lists.esp
178 b2 WondersofWeather.esp
179 b3 PreventsAccidentPickUp.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
180 b4 ACE Realistic Fighting.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp
Supreme Fog - CoT.esp
AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp
181 b5 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
Unique Region Names - Dragonborn.esp
182 b6 WetandCold - Ashes.esp
Unique Region Names - Dragonborn COT Patch.esp
183 b7 Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp
184 b8 CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp
DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp
dD-DG-DB-MM-SiC EBT Patch v4.esp
ELFX - Moonpath.esp
185 b9 High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
186 ba RaceMenuPlugin.esp
187 bb TradeRoutes-HelgenReborn-Patch.esp
AOS2_DD Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
188 bc CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp
Disease Descriptions.esp
High Level Enemies - Falskaar.esp
AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp
ISCompendium AOS Patch.esp
AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
MLU - AOS2.esp
Awesome Artifacts - AOS Patch.esp
AOS2_Unique Uniques Patch.esp
ISCompendium CCO Patch.esp
ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
189 bd CACO_ETaC_Patch.esp
190 be CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreatures_Patch.esp
191 bf CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreatures+DLC2_Patch.esp
CACO_Wyrmstooth_Patch.esp
CACO_GrayCowl_Patch.esp
CACO_USLEEP_Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete Shadows Patch.esp
MLU - CCOR New Recipes.esp
192 c0 MLU - OBIS.esp
MLU - Unique Uniques.esp
consistent sensitivity.esp
193 c1 Lock Overhaul.esp
194 c2 UltimateCombat.esp
195 c3 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
196 c4 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Awesome Artifacts - Ordinator Patch.esp
197 c5 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
198 c6 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
199 c7 Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp
200 c8 CFTO.esp
201 c9 RDO - CACO Patch.esp
202 ca RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
Immersive Citizens - MTE patch.esp
203 cb MLU.esp
204 cc MLU - IA + CWO.esp
Awesome Artifacts - MLU - Unique Uniques Patch.esp
MLU - CACO-Ordinatored.esp
205 cd MLU - Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
MLU - SIC.esp
MLU - Warmonger Armory.esp
206 ce Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
207 cf Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
208 d0 ETaC - Complete AS-LAL Patch.esp
209 d1 ELFXEnhancer.esp
210 d2 Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
211 d3 Bashed Patch, 1.esp
212 d4 ASIS-Dependency.esp
213 d5 ASIS.esp
214 d6 LLI.esp
215 d7 Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

[Hannibal139]

Did it happen after the installation of new mods or deletion of some

[usrnmxz]

Did it happen after the installation of new mods or deletion of some

No, I haven't touched anything.

[Hannibal139]

 

Did it happen after the installation of new mods or deletion of some

No, I haven't touched anything.

 

You swear

[usrnmxz]

 

 

Did it happen after the installation of new mods or deletion of some

No, I haven't touched anything.

 

You swear

 

Well, I don't remember for sure, maybe I did in fact add or remove a mod or two, but those were tiny little scriptless mods, that couldn't possibly ruin my game, otherwise I wouldn't do it.

[Hannibal139]

I don't know about vortex or nexus mod manager but if u r using Mod Organiser, you can check in its Mod folder what mods you have installed on specific date by sorting the contents in that folder by Date modified or date created. Perhaps you can do same with former two mod managers as well. You just need to look in the path/folder they drop contents of mods in or similar kind of amenity must be present in their UI if u look carefully. Also, are these saves that CTD made in skyrim's locations or elsewhere? Edited January 19, 2021 by Hannibal139

[usrnmxz]

I don't know about vortex or nexus mod manager but if u r using Mod Organiser, you can check in its Mod folder what mods you have installed on specific date by sorting the contents in that folder by Date modified or date created. Perhaps you can do same with former two mod managers as well. You just need to look in the path/folder they drop contents of mods in or similar kind of amenity must be present in their UI if u look carefully. Also, are these saves that CTD made in skyrim's locations or elsewhere?

Thank you for your help, but it seems my saves are busted, I'll clean and sort my mods manually, then start anew.

[MFitz56]

 

I don't know about vortex or nexus mod manager but if u r using Mod Organiser, you can check in its Mod folder what mods you have installed on specific date by sorting the contents in that folder by Date modified or date created. Perhaps you can do same with former two mod managers as well. You just need to look in the path/folder they drop contents of mods in or similar kind of amenity must be present in their UI if u look carefully. Also, are these saves that CTD made in skyrim's locations or elsewhere?

Thank you for your help, but it seems my saves are busted, I'll clean and sort my mods manually, then start anew.

 

You might want to try this:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443

 

It will work sometimes but I agree that it sounds like you'll probably need to start over. When a save gets corrupt it tends to snowball over time (as you described). The only way to "save" such a game is to go back to an old save from before you started having that problem.

[Hannibal139]

 

 

Thank you for your help, but it seems my saves are busted, I'll clean and sort my mods manually, then start anew.

 

No problem pal. I hope you get it sorted.

 

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You might want to try this:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443

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It will work sometimes but I agree that it sounds like you'll probably need to start over. When a save gets corrupt it tends to snowball over time (as you described). The only way to "save" such a game is to go back to an old save from before you started having that problem.

 

Yeah i use it too along with this https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75795/? and many other fixes i can't recall right now. And you are right the very first way to troubleshoot a ctd is to load an old save made prior to it. I know how frustrating it can be because i have been there myself.

[Gorgopis]

Are you playing SR online at STEAM? Or do you play offline? Are you on PC?

 

 

1). If you play SR online at STEAM, your latest saves may be broken if they won't load and your SR CTD. But don't delete the saves yet. Try this. Load an earlier save that still works. As soon as you're in-game, let all sound EFX fade, then open the save-load menu, and now try to load the most recent game that wouldn't load before. Sometimes it will load, now. Play for 30 seconds, and then save again. Now, in-game, use the console to purge cell buffers (pcb). A very interesting list appears of unnecessary object and quest-references may appear. Now, after pcb-ing, move around for a few seconds and save again. This may preserve your progress.

 

2). Another technique is to remember which interior or exterior location you were in on the save that won't load. Start SR. Load any game in your save list right after you just finished Alduin's first attack at Helgen, if you have one. If you don't, load a game that still loads. Now, open the console, look up the coc codes on the UESP wiki, for the exterior/interior location where your broken save is. Type in coc with the right code and travel to that broken location, and see if the location loads. If it does, the game's cell-references are OK. Now, make a save. Now, while in that save, access the save-menu in-game and try loading the broken save. If that works, pcb, and save the game and your progress. For extra insurance, after this last step, try the player-kill console method. Once you have made a working save after pcb, go in-console, type player.kill + enter. Your character will die, the game will reload with your character alive at that same location. Now save. This save should be "clean" now, and you can progress.

 

3). If you're playing offline, as we do, you may try going online and then revalidating all of your SR files at STEAM, by following online tuts on how to do that. Once you log into STEAM, revalidate your SR files. Now see if you can load the broken save. If it still won't load, try the above steps. If the broken save now does load, play online for a minute or so and then make a save; then take STEAM offline again. This step has stabilized our saves, and we're not having crashes. We have one theory that STEAM's update-timer may corrupt or interfere with SR saves. (I.e., conspiracy-theory: STEAM needs you to revisit STEAM to see what's for sale, so, it has coding that times out your saves.)

 

4). Finally, here is a bit of extra bother that has kept our SR saves stable. We never quick-save. We never overwrite a save. Always make a new hard save every 15-20 minutes or so. When exiting the game, first exit to SR menu, then quit to desktop--not straight exit to desktop. Periodically, after exiting the game, we purge saves (and SKSE metadata) from our save folder that we don't need anymore, every three days or so, and we keep only the saves that are crucial junctions in quests, or that we want to experiment with or to replay dungeons.

 

In our opinions, crashes usually result because Skyrim adds (gathers) more and more object and quest and cell references to each game save, during a prolonged session. There's no real need, though, for each new save to keep earlier cell references from cells (in-game-locations) your characters aren't in anymore.

 

5). We also have a second theory that SKSE, as useful as it is, may corrupt saves. Formerly, we were going into our save folders after each session and deleting the SKSE saves and keeping just the ESS ones. The SKSE saves are metadata and much smaller in size, and we're guessing they were referencing unneeded cell-reference data preserved in save-bloat, linked to their correlated ESS saves. Every time you save, SKSE will write a file with this metadata, and record it with the ESS save it links to, both with the same times and dates. So, after each play-session, you can visit the save folders and see the new SKSE data added.

 

GL

Edited January 22, 2021 by Gorgopis