ZxAsriel Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 A simple request for four types of ammo that can be bought, or if you're miles away from a shop, crafted. 5.56MM Birdshot (100 rounds) ; requires 100 5.56MM rounds and 100 caps to craft. ; costs 55 caps per single round at stores - fires 24 bullets per round. 5.56MM Birdshot Wide (100 rounds) ; requires 100 5.56MM rounds, 100 caps, and 1 lead to craft. ; costs 55 caps per single round at stores - fires 24 bullets per round in a wider, less accurate arc, meant for clearing rooms. 5.56MM Birdshot Cloud Kiss Potent ; Requires 100 5.56MM rounds, 100 caps, and 1 cloud kiss (potent) to craft ; costs 125 caps per single round at stores - fires 24 bullets per round with an additional cloud kiss poison effect to each bullet. 5.56MM Birdshot Cloud Kiss Potent Wide ; requires 100 5.56MM rounds, 100 caps, 1 lead, and 1 cloud kiss (potent) to craft ; costs 125 caps per single round at stores - With a higher gun spread you can poison an large group of enemies in a hail of poisoned lead. ----------------------------notes:dead money possibly required should be added to merchants who sell ammunition and weapons via LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmongo Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 5.56mm is basically .22 cal. The do make .22 cal. shot shells. They are nicknamed "ratshot shells". CCI is one company that makes them, and this is what their advertising says: "CCI Shotshell Rimfire Ammo shoots a pattern of fine birdshot pellets for short-range pest control." The only way that you would be clearing a large group of enemies in a hail of poisoned lead would be if that enemy was a bunch of tiny radroaches. On the other hand, if you are talking about packing 24 rounds of 5.56 ammo into a single oversized shotgun shell, I wouldn't call that "birdshot". Bird shot is small round pellets designed to take out birds, compared to something like buck shot which is much larger pellets designed to take out a deer. If you shoot a deer (or a human) with bird shot, it's not going to be fatal. 5.56 rounds are significantly larger than buck shot. Since 5.56 rounds are bullet shaped, they aren't really the ideal round to shoot out of a jumbo shotgun, but in the Fallout post-apocalyptic universe I can picture someone who doesn't know a lot about guns and ammo doing something like that. If this is what you are going for, then we're also talking about a new weapon to go with this new ammo. You can't just take 24 rounds worth of powder and lead and stick them into any existing weapon. You're talking about something at least the size of a 6 bore or maybe even a 4 bore shotgun. And once you start talking about shoving 100 rounds worth of lead and powder into a single round, well, then you're up into punt gun territory. That's far too much recoil for a hand-held weapon. How exactly are you picturing this working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZxAsriel Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 5.56mm is basically .22 cal. The do make .22 cal. shot shells. They are nicknamed "ratshot shells". CCI is one company that makes them, and this is what their advertising says: "CCI Shotshell Rimfire Ammo shoots a pattern of fine birdshot pellets for short-range pest control." The only way that you would be clearing a large group of enemies in a hail of poisoned lead would be if that enemy was a bunch of tiny radroaches. On the other hand, if you are talking about packing 24 rounds of 5.56 ammo into a single oversized shotgun shell, I wouldn't call that "birdshot". Bird shot is small round pellets designed to take out birds, compared to something like buck shot which is much larger pellets designed to take out a deer. If you shoot a deer (or a human) with bird shot, it's not going to be fatal. 5.56 rounds are significantly larger than buck shot. Since 5.56 rounds are bullet shaped, they aren't really the ideal round to shoot out of a jumbo shotgun, but in the Fallout post-apocalyptic universe I can picture someone who doesn't know a lot about guns and ammo doing something like that. If this is what you are going for, then we're also talking about a new weapon to go with this new ammo. You can't just take 24 rounds worth of powder and lead and stick them into any existing weapon. You're talking about something at least the size of a 6 bore or maybe even a 4 bore shotgun. And once you start talking about shoving 100 rounds worth of lead and powder into a single round, well, then you're up into punt gun territory. That's far too much recoil for a hand-held weapon. How exactly are you picturing this working?The reloading bench can craft 100 rounds to keep in the characters inventory. If they have, for example, 1,000 5.56MM rounds and 10,000 caps, they can craft around 500 birdshot 5.56MM rounds. Birdshot IN new vegas spreads out like a shotgun blast, in fact birdshot ammunition in the game is meant to directly immitate shotgun spread for other entirely different guns, but usually modders make it a double edged sword; sure you'll hit your target, but it usually has a DT penalty. The frontier introduces a machine gun that can hold up to 90 5.56MM rounds and is fully automatic, if someone just tap-clicks, they can make this ammo REALLY last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmongo Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I still don't understand what you are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZxAsriel Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 I still don't understand what you are looking for.Screenshots: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2369518336 - normal 5MM rounds https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2369519505 - Birdshot 5mm cone https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2369519677 - shot pattern, 5mm birdshot https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2369520039 - shot cone, 3rd person, 5mm birdshot (wide) + shot pattern for wide version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmongo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Yeah, that doesn't help. I understand shot patterns and how FNV handles shot shells. You keep calling it birdshot, which in the caliber you keep mentioning is basically mouse killing rounds, completely worthless against anything larger than a cat. Your descriptions make it sound more like punt gun ammo, which can't be fired out of a normal sized weapon, but you make no mention of a new weapon. It is not at all clear what actual weapon you think would fire this new ammo. So basically none of this makes any sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZxAsriel Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) Yeah, that doesn't help. I understand shot patterns and how FNV handles shot shells. You keep calling it birdshot, which in the caliber you keep mentioning is basically mouse killing rounds, completely worthless against anything larger than a cat. Your descriptions make it sound more like punt gun ammo, which can't be fired out of a normal sized weapon, but you make no mention of a new weapon. It is not at all clear what actual weapon you think would fire this new ammo. So basically none of this makes any sense whatsoever.It has a Target DT penalty of -10.00, let me guess, that is very ineffective against armor?https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2369545264 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2369545472 Edited January 22, 2021 by ZxAsriel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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