30sec Lag Spikes | huge save file

[Soraphis]

Hi,

 

first: im sorry 4 my english, i know it could be better.

here is my problem, i hope its detailed enough and i hope someone can help me:

 

problem description

while playing Skyrim every 15-45 seconds the game freezes for ca 30 seconds. even in the inventory or settings menu. Playing 3 minutes creates an > 700mb papyrus logfile. (i already had logfiles >7 GB)

 

information

My save file is currently at >90 mb (got it down from > 120)

I play with "some" Mods ( >100)

these informations are from skyrim savegame scanner

TESV_SAVEGAME

Header length: 85

 

[Header] Version: 9

[Header] Save number: 656

[Header] Player name: Soraphis

[Header] Player level: 46

[Header] Player location: Himmelsrand

[Header] Time played: 065.51.07

[Header] Player race (Editor ID): EpicElvesRace

[Header] Unknown: 1

[Header] Unknown: 1828

[Header] Unknown: 1225

[Header] Filetime: 16:06:29 31-03-2013 GMT-1

[Header] Save screenshot width: 320

[Header] Save screenshot height: 192

 

 

Plugin info size: 3783

[Plugin] Count: 133

 

[Plugin 001] Name: Skyrim.esm

[Plugin 002] Name: Update.esm

[Plugin 003] Name: Dawnguard.esm

[Plugin 004] Name: HearthFires.esm

[Plugin 005] Name: Dragonborn.esm

[Plugin 006] Name: ApachiiHair.esm

[Plugin 007] Name: ApachiiHairFemales.esm

[Plugin 008] Name: ApachiiHairMales.esm

[Plugin 009] Name: RaceCompatibility.esm

[Plugin 010] Name: Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

[Plugin 011] Name: ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

[Plugin 012] Name: ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

[Plugin 013] Name: Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

[Plugin 014] Name: SPIKE.esm

[Plugin 015] Name: HighResTexturePack01.esp

[Plugin 016] Name: HighResTexturePack02.esp

[Plugin 017] Name: HighResTexturePack03.esp

[Plugin 018] Name: Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

[Plugin 019] Name: RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

[Plugin 020] Name: Command Dragon.esp

[Plugin 021] Name: Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

[Plugin 022] Name: Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

[Plugin 023] Name: Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

[Plugin 024] Name: NPC_Overhaul_1_1_.esp

[Plugin 025] Name: Chesko_Frostfall.esp

[Plugin 026] Name: Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

[Plugin 027] Name: SoundPropagationOverhaul.esp

[Plugin 028] Name: SkyrimURWL.esp

[Plugin 029] Name: SFD_NumericQuality.esp

[Plugin 030] Name: StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

[Plugin 031] Name: Armored Skeleton.esp

[Plugin 032] Name: DungeonQuestAwareness.esp

[Plugin 033] Name: Item Sorting by Saige.esp

[Plugin 034] Name: Item Sorting DG by Saige.esp

[Plugin 035] Name: Item Sorting DB by Saige.esp

[Plugin 036] Name: Item Sorting HF by Saige.esp

[Plugin 037] Name: Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Default.esp

[Plugin 038] Name: Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp

[Plugin 039] Name: RealShelter.esp

[Plugin 040] Name: Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

[Plugin 041] Name: YngolBarrowButtonFix.esp

[Plugin 042] Name: DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

[Plugin 043] Name: RaceMenu.esp

[Plugin 044] Name: RaceMenuPlugin.esp

[Plugin 045] Name: SkyRealism - Simple Save System - 2 min.esp

[Plugin 046] Name: SkyUI.esp

[Plugin 047] Name: towPov.esp

[Plugin 048] Name: SKSE Hotkeys.esp

[Plugin 049] Name: 1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp

[Plugin 050] Name: DragonbornArmorFix.esp

[Plugin 051] Name: hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

[Plugin 052] Name: True Bound Armors.esp

[Plugin 053] Name: TBBOAv2.esp

[Plugin 054] Name: Lock Overhaul.esp

[Plugin 055] Name: ERSO 03 - Mighty Dragons Unleveled.esp

[Plugin 056] Name: ERSO 03.2 patch - DeadlyD DDiversified Dawnguard Unleveled.esp

[Plugin 057] Name: ERSO 04 - Mighty Odahviing.esp

[Plugin 058] Name: ERSO 05 - Dovah Holy Book.esp

[Plugin 059] Name: ERSO 06 - Wait More Time Dragon Encounter x2.5.esp

[Plugin 060] Name: ERSO 07 - Mighty Dragon Priests.esp

[Plugin 061] Name: MIDFollowMeCloser.esp

[Plugin 062] Name: SkyRe_Main.esp

[Plugin 063] Name: SkyRe_Combat.esp

[Plugin 064] Name: SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp

[Plugin 065] Name: SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

[Plugin 066] Name: SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp

[Plugin 067] Name: SkyRe_StandingStones.esp

[Plugin 068] Name: SkyRe_Survivalism.esp

[Plugin 069] Name: Run For Your Lives.esp

[Plugin 070] Name: When Vampires Attack.esp

[Plugin 071] Name: towBlockSteal.esp

[Plugin 072] Name: AchieveThat.esp

[Plugin 073] Name: BetterQuestObjectives.esp

[Plugin 074] Name: Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

[Plugin 075] Name: MD - Protected NPCs.esp

[Plugin 076] Name: Mercy.esp

[Plugin 077] Name: SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp

[Plugin 078] Name: dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

[Plugin 079] Name: dD-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

[Plugin 080] Name: Soul Gems Differ - NS - E.esp

[Plugin 081] Name: UnreadBooksGlow.esp

[Plugin 082] Name: wizDynamicThings.esp

[Plugin 083] Name: ETaC - Darkwater.esp

[Plugin 084] Name: ETaC - Dragon Bridge.esp

[Plugin 085] Name: ETaC - Ivarstead.esp

[Plugin 086] Name: ETaC - Riverwood.esp

[Plugin 087] Name: ETaC - Rorikstead.esp

[Plugin 088] Name: ETaC - Morthal.esp

[Plugin 089] Name: EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

[Plugin 090] Name: RLO - Dungeons for ELnFX.esp

[Plugin 091] Name: RLO - Illuminated Spells for ELnFX.esp

[Plugin 092] Name: RLO - Major City Interiors for ELnFX.esp

[Plugin 093] Name: RLO - Minor Cities & Town Interiors for ELnFX.esp

[Plugin 094] Name: Realistic Lighting.esp

[Plugin 095] Name: Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp

[Plugin 096] Name: Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Illuminated Spells.esp

[Plugin 097] Name: Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp

[Plugin 098] Name: Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp

[Plugin 099] Name: Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

[Plugin 100] Name: Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp

[Plugin 101] Name: Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp

[Plugin 102] Name: Realistic Lighting Overhaul - 3.5 Weathers.esp

[Plugin 103] Name: Realistic Lighting Overhaul - 3.5 Dawnguard Weathers.esp

[Plugin 104] Name: ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

[Plugin 105] Name: ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp

[Plugin 106] Name: ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

[Plugin 107] Name: dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

[Plugin 108] Name: SkyRealism - Portable Crafting Kits.esp

[Plugin 109] Name: BoundArrows.esp

[Plugin 110] Name: ToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp

[Plugin 111] Name: Predator Vision.esp

[Plugin 112] Name: NiruinsBusinessPlan.esp

[Plugin 113] Name: Extended eye colours.esp

[Plugin 114] Name: EpicElves by zzjay.esp

[Plugin 115] Name: Presets 2-3.esp

[Plugin 116] Name: CerwidenCompanion.esp

[Plugin 117] Name: AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

[Plugin 118] Name: SkyRe_Races.esp

[Plugin 119] Name: Purewaters.esp

[Plugin 120] Name: PurewatersDG.esp

[Plugin 121] Name: PurewatersDB.esp

[Plugin 122] Name: SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp

[Plugin 123] Name: ReProccer.esp

[Plugin 124] Name: ReProccerDragonborn.esp

[Plugin 125] Name: Grass_On_Steroids_SFO.esp

[Plugin 126] Name: DragonFastTravelRedone.esp

[Plugin 127] Name: Glorious Terrain.esp

[Plugin 128] Name: SeverinManorMod.esp

[Plugin 129] Name: DwemerCoins.esp

[Plugin 130] Name: posesivecorpses.esp

[Plugin 131] Name: Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 3.esp

[Plugin 132] Name: warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp

[Plugin 133] Name: Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp

 

 

File Size: 97mb

Papyrus Section: 91,22 mb

Form Id Size: 2,91 mb

 

Last Papyrus Log:

 

many lines look like this

 

[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.ApplySettings() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 1176
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnConfigInit() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 159
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigBase.OnGameReload() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 109
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnGameReload() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 164
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnInit() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 80
[03/31/2013 - 03:55:21PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp166"
stack:
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.ApplySettings() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 1176
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnConfigInit() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 159
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigBase.OnGameReload() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 109
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnGameReload() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 164
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnInit() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 80
[03/31/2013 - 03:55:21PM] error: Static function GetINIFloat not found on object utility. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.ApplySettings() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 1177
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnConfigInit() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 159
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigBase.OnGameReload() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 109
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnGameReload() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 164
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnInit() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 80
[03/31/2013 - 03:55:21PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp166"
stack:
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.ApplySettings() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 1177
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnConfigInit() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 159
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigBase.OnGameReload() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 109
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnGameReload() - "SKI_ConfigMenu.psc" Line 164
	[sKI_ConfigMenuInstance (2D000820)].SKI_ConfigMenu.OnInit() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 80
[03/31/2013 - 03:55:21PM] error: Static function GetINIFloat not found on object utility. Aborting call and returning None
stack: 

 

and like this

 

[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] Dumping stack 4092400:
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Frame count: 0 (Page count: 0)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	State: Waiting on other stack for call (Freeze state: Freezing)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Type: Normal
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Return register: None
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Has stack callback: No
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Stack trace:
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 		[None].TrapHitBase.OnUpdate() - (requested call)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] Dumping stack 3962080:
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Frame count: 0 (Page count: 0)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	State: Waiting on other stack for call (Freeze state: Freezing)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Type: Normal
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Return register: None
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Has stack callback: No
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Stack trace:
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 		[None].huntersvisionscript.OnUpdate() - (requested call)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] Dumping stack 4092403:
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Frame count: 0 (Page count: 0)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	State: Waiting on other stack for call (Freeze state: Freezing)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Type: Normal
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Return register: None
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Has stack callback: No
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Stack trace:
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 		[None].fxDustDropRandomSCRIPT.OnUpdate() - (requested call)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] Dumping stack 4092405:
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Frame count: 0 (Page count: 0)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	State: Waiting on other stack for call (Freeze state: Freezing)
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Type: Normal
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Return register: None
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Has stack callback: No
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 	Stack trace:
[03/31/2013 - 04:01:04PM] 		[None].huntersvisionscript.OnUpdate() - (requested call) 

 

 

 

what i've already done

i used google.

read a lot in other threads, but found no (for me working) solution.

I tested with an new character: all is fine, no lags.

deactivated most mods with scripts: lags are still there.

deinstalled most mods with scripts, especially the mods with "huntervisionscript": lags are still there

deactivated all mods: lags are still there.

sleeping for 2 months, saving, cleaning save with Save Cleaner: no change, lags are still there

Created a new Character, then loaded the old one: no change, lags are still there.

renamed the data/scripts folder to data/scripts_bak: its just lagging (a bit ~2sec) if i want to do something with a script (open the menu (SkyUI))

but the most scipt-mods are not working so, this is no real solution

MISC

is there a way to get rid of these lags? i rly dont want to create a new character and i want to keep (at least most of) these mods.

i could think about: creating a new character, set his stats/perks/quests/items via console to the old values, but i think it would take >1h to do so.

 

Soraphis

Edited March 31, 2013 by Soraphis

[Valkyrie]

Ok heres how I fixed the same problem.

 

Went home and took everything that I REALLY needed to keep and brought it to vanilla house and left it there.

Sold or used everything else,

Deleted house mod.

Made a clean save. (the kind with a # next to it). Not a quick or auto save.

Download and use this: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/31724 Follow the directions to the letter and make backups of your saves b4! Make sure it says finished or done in the console b4 ya close it. Sometimes it takes a while.

 

Heres a video that might help:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vi6lBUIN1ec

 

 

There is also a script cleaner on the Nexus but Ive never tried it. Let me know how ya make out!

 

[Valkyrie]

You might want to also check out this thread about limiting fps with MSI Afterburner. It really helped me.

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/955666-skyrim-low-fps-on-my-msi-ge60-0nd/

[Jaradin]

90Mbs? Geez, my game started stuttering and crashing when my save bloated to 50! Hopefully Valkyrie's advice works out for you, because my only advice would be to load a long-past previous save and start fresh, or to start a whole new save, because one of your mods (or several) definitely bloated it past normal parameters.

[Soraphis]

THX for your replies!

Ok heres how I fixed the same problem.

Went home and took everything that I REALLY needed to keep and brought it to vanilla house and left it there.
Sold or used everything else,
Deleted house mod.
Made a clean save. (the kind with a # next to it). Not a quick or auto save.
Download and use this: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/31724 Follow the directions to the letter and make backups of your saves b4! Make sure it says finished or done in the console b4 ya close it. Sometimes it takes a while.

Heres a video that might help:

*snip*


There is also a script cleaner on the Nexus but Ive never tried it. Let me know how ya make out!

hm ... i will try it, but it will take a while, because i spend more time frozen then playable.

i've used skyrim save cleaner twice (with the instructions at the mod-page)

You might want to also check out this thread about limiting fps with MSI Afterburner. It really helped me.
http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/955666-skyrim-low-fps-on-my-msi-ge60-0nd/

fps limiter !? its not that my hardware cant handle it, because with a new character all works fine ... but i'll try.

90Mbs? Geez, my game started stuttering and crashing when my save bloated to 50! Hopefully Valkyrie's advice works out for you, because my only advice would be to load a long-past previous save and start fresh, or to start a whole new save, because one of your mods (or several) definitely bloated it past normal parameters.

it started at 80 but not that bad ... after a while installing 2 mods with some scripts it was rly worse, than i tried with deactivating some mods and the file size went up to 120mb oO


i go sleeping now, will try it next day Edited March 31, 2013 by Soraphis

[steve40]

A) it looks like you haven't got the SKSE or MCE scripts installed correctly.

B) you are getting stack smashing

 

If you have changed the following Papyrus settings in your Skyrim.ini file to values much larger than default it will cause major trouble:

iMaxMemoryPageSize=512
iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=76800

 

Eg. I've seen users set one or both of these settings to their max value (2147483647), which is just outlandish.

Unfortunately, setting these back to default values will usually not fix a savegame that is already broken, because the stack buffer has run out of memory which means that data has been lost. You may have to start a new game.

[Soraphis]

A) it looks like you haven't got the SKSE or MCE scripts installed correctly.

B) you are getting stack smashing

 

If you have changed the following Papyrus settings in your Skyrim.ini file to values much larger than default it will cause major trouble:

iMaxMemoryPageSize=512

iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=76800

 

Eg. I've seen users set one or both of these settings to their max value (2147483647), which is just outlandish.

Unfortunately, setting these back to default values will usually not fix a savegame that is already broken, because the stack buffer has run out of memory which means that data has been lost. You may have to start a new game.

 

A) i've read all installation instructions before installing, and i used NMM over 90% of my mods have been installed before creating my character.

the rest ist just updating these mods, adding some graphical changes or utilities

 

B) possible ... but i dont think its my fault

I've never touched iMaxMemoryPageSize and iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes

 

my skyrim.ini hasn't changed since starting this character, and the papyrus section looks like:

 

 

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1

 

 

 

 

---

 

• MSI Afterburner

  didnt helped : /

• take everything to a vanilla house
  • went to my solstheim house to take all things i "need"
  • solstheim has reseted itself, maybe caused by previous save cleaner actions, so all my things are away : /
  • canceld at this point
• thinking about creating a new character
  • is there an easy and fast way to export all current quests states? (excluding random quests)

    because i rly don't want to do everything again : /

• trying to deactivate all mods
  • game crash on load, i think its because of perks from Skyrim Redone, using a non-vanilla class, ...
• Is there a way to prevent the save-files from growing in file-size? (while using this amount of mods)

 

Thanks for your help, but i think my character is lost : (

[Valkyrie]

Found this about your transferring question:

 

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/888936-transferring-quest-stages-between-saves/

[steve40]

I repeat, you do not have the SKSE scripts installed correctly:

[03/31/2013 - 03:55:21PM] error: Static function GetINIFloat not found on object utility. Aborting call and returning None

The game cannot find the "GetINIFloat" function, which is part of the UTILITY script installed by SKSE. The vanilla script does not have this function. Therefore the SKSE scripts are not installed in your game.

That is why you game isn't working, and starting a new character will not fix the problem.

Reinstall SKSE and make sure that you also copy over the scripts folder, not just the SKSE executable file. I recommend that you do this manually rather than using NMM. The scripts folder must go inside your data folder and merge with the existing scripts folder, overwriting any existing scripts.

Edited April 4, 2013 by steve40

[gameLvr85]

I had this issue multiple times, cuz i have 200+ mods installed.... what i did is start waiting for 30 day in safe location, at players home which has not been modded..(for me its breeze home in whiterun). waiting of every 30 in games days reduce 6-8mb from my save file. What u should do, download the mod called "no more boring sleep menu" or something like that. Go to breeze home or any other un-modded players home, press T and drag the slider all the way to the right open console and type 'tfc' without commas, close the console and prees 'E' on keyboard or click yes, it'll take about 50 seconds to pass 30 in game days. when its done type 'tfc' command again, and save and notice how much file size is reduced. I've done this for so many times and my file size reduces every time, as long as your file size under 15MB its good. Mine is now 13mb, it was 60+MB before i did the above mentioned process. I've waited about 6-7 in game months, and when i save it was about 13MB in size.

Note: if u don't run tfc command before waiting, it'll take about 12 mins to complete 30 days of ingame waiting.

Hope its helps.