CTD @ 188 Trading Post

[GabrielR987]

Hello, I'm new to modding so I've followed a lot of guides and read a lot of FAQs ... but I'm at my wits' end. So I've decided to post here to see what's going wrong. So in short, my modded save file was running really well (no crashes, almost no FPS drop) until I reached the Boulder City sign just before the 188 Trading Post. I thought it might've been a mod conflict or something and have literally tried everything one-by-one. And nothing. I tried going around and have determined its the entire area around the 188 Trading post. Any ideas? Just too many mods or am I missing something?

 

------Mod load order-----

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

CaravanPack.esm

YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm

NPC Project.esm

NVInteriors_Core.esm

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm

BraveNewWorld.esm

FreesideOpen.esm

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm

MoreMojave.esm

Run the Lucky 38.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

TLD_Travelers.esm

NVInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

factions reloaded raiders v2.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

DWCNV.esm

mojavereloaded1.esp

Gomorrah Redesigned v2.esp

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm

NVR-Strip.esm

Uncut Road to Legate's Camp.esm

Bitter Springs Redesigned.esp

FCOMaster.esm

SomeguySeries.esm

More Traits.esm

Companion Core.esm

Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm

RobCo Certified.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

More Perks.esm

More Perks for Companions.esm

YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp

NVR-Version_10.esp

Vurt's WFO.esp

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp

Uncut Extra Collection FSO.esp

The Lucky 38 Empire.esp

NiptonRebuilt.esp

MusicPackRNV.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

MiscItemIconsNV.esp

JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp

JustWeaponHweel.esp

CPI Icons.esp

DYNAVISION 2 - Dynamic Lens Effect.esp

Diagonal movement.esp

Bountiful Harvest.esp

outsidebets.esp

WMIMNV.esp

FreesideOpenPatch.esp

Uncut Wasteland FSO OB.esp

Factions Reloaded Legion.esp

factions reloaded followers.esp

NPCs Can Miss.esp

Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp

Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp

Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp

Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp

stronger merchants.esp

MaxFollowers12.esp

populatedcasino.esp

stronger mercs.esp

Vanilla UI Plus.esp

CIB Supermutants.esp

kochandbohr.esp

More Perks Update.esp

betsybrahminFSO.esp

NVR3_YUP Patch.esp

pnv.esp

WeaponModsExpanded.esp

Realistic_Repair_NV.esp

IMPACT.esp

CNR_Beta.esp

Project Nevada - WMX.esp

Project Nevada - Old World Blues.esp

Weapon Retexture Project.esp

MMWFOPatch.esp

Bitter Springs Revisited.esp

Mojave Wildlife (Vanilla-Style).esp

Uncut Skeletons.esp

NPC Project - 188 Trading Post.esp

NewVegasBounties.esp

TheInheritance.esp

1nivVSLArmors.esp

BraveNewWorld-YUP.esp

TrooperOverhaul-Dragbody.esp

ELECTRO-CITYFSOPatch .esp

FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting - All DLC.esp

NevadaSkies.esp

NVR-NPCs.esp

FactionWastelandPresence.esp

ILO - YUP Patch.esp

housemod.esp

Northern Passage Cave Entrance.esp

IncreasedLegion1_1.esp

Wasteland Defense.esp

NewVegasBountiesFSOPatch.esp

Delay DLC - DM + HH + OWB + LR + GRA.esp

NCRTrooperOverhaul.esp

Roberts_NewVegas.esp

Better Burned Man.esp

LFox Bottle That Water.esp

NVR3_1nivVSLArmors Patch.esp

RobCo Certified Friendly Hit Fixer.esp

NVR3_CNR Patch.esp

NVR3_ProjectNevadaEquipment Patch.esp

NVR3_TrooperOverhaulDragbody Patch.esp

NPC Project - Aerotech Office Park.esp

NVR-ELECTRO-CTIY_Patch.esp

NVR3_OutsideBets Patch.esp

athornysituation.esp

awilderwasteland.esp

GoodspringsPlayerHome.esp

MoreMojave - NVBI Patch.esp

VarmintRifle22LR.esp

Uncut Bison Steve Trees.esp

BraveNewWorld-PN-Equipment.esp

Conelrad 640-1240.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp

FSOmusic.esp

Freeside Open and The Strip Map Markers.esp

KingOfTheRing.esp

NVBabyDeathclawCommander.esp

StartingGearOverhaul.esp

NVR3_ElectroCity Patch.esp

LegionCommander.esp

Karmic Balance.esp

Caesar Brotherhood.esp

More Perks for Companions Update.esp

More Traits Update.esp

UnlimitedCompanions.esp

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp

(I also have the 4gb patch)

[M48A5]

Too many files in the load order? Maybe. Yes, too many if you don't have the mod limit fix file installed.

 

Other than the 4GB patch, what else do you have installed that is not listed in the load order?

 

Also, what are your equipment specifications and install location?

[GabrielR987]

Too many files in the load order? Maybe. Yes, too many if you don't have the mod limit fix file installed.

 

Other than the 4GB patch, what else do you have installed that is not listed in the load order?

 

Also, what are your equipment specifications and install location?

Well since I followed a guide I have all the essentials: NVSE, NVAC, etc. Also using Lodgen, because a mod required it or something. Aside from that nothing else. If you're asking about my pc specs, here they are:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600

GPU: Nvidia GTX 1660

RAM: 16 GB DDR4 Ram

MBD: MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX

You mentioned the mod limit fix, perhaps I installed it incorrectly? I use vortex as my mod manager so maybe I didn't install something manually which I should've. And my install location? I'm not entirely sure what that is, sorry. If its where the mods are placed its in the New Vegas folder under steam/steamapps/common.

[dubiousintent]

Which "guide"? They are not all created equal and not everyone who posts one really knows what they are talking about beyond "this works for me on my machine". And most "video guides" do not spend enough time on the fine points to deal with complications when things do not go perfectly.

 

We REALLY need to see a sorted "load order" (such as produced by "LOOT"); to include the main game and DLC files. (Screenshots don't work so well for the purpose.) With modded games its the sequence, not merely the list of mods, which is the cause of many problems. LOOT's sort gives a good first approximation, correcting the most obvious issues and is sufficient for most players. You can make minor adjustments to the order and tell LOOT how to remember them. It's in the on-line documentation under "Metadata". Instructions on how to copy it's list for posting are in the "How to ask for help" article, and "Checklist Item #11' entry in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide.

In the meantime, please see the 'Vanilla Load Order' entry in the 'First Timer Advice' section; as well as the 'Towards Game Stability' and the 'Common Game Problems' sections of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article.

If the problem persists, then work through either the 'Solutions to Starting the game problems' or the 'Solutions to "Crash To Desktop" (CTD) problems' sections in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide.

I recommend anyone read the entire "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article to understand the differences between this game and others you may have experience with; especially if this is your first attempt to play a modded FNV or it's been more than a year since you last set it up. It is designed for someone who has never played a modded PC game before, so it tries to avoid making any assumptions, is kept "up-to-date", and covers years of "lessons learned" by a retired Technical Support expert. It is NOT a list of various mods to install that happen to work on the author's machine; only "the essentials". It addresses fundamentals underlying how to get the basic game and mods to work together. At least 90% of everything I post in the "Technical Support" sub-forum is already in that article. Once you can play a test game to at least Primm, only then should you try adding other mods from some other "guide".

-Dubious-

[GabrielR987]

I followed a guide on Youtube by Gopher, his guide being from 2020. I guess I should mention that my idea of being new to modding is 6 months of experience (I don't know how much that changes thing really).

Here's the link.

 

And the load order is from Loot. That's it spat out, I guess if you want all those numbers here they are:

0 0 FalloutNV.esm

1 1 DeadMoney.esm

2 2 HonestHearts.esm

3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm

4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm

5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm

6 6 ClassicPack.esm

7 7 MercenaryPack.esm

8 8 TribalPack.esm

9 9 CaravanPack.esm

10 a YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm

11 b NPC Project.esm

12 c NVInteriors_Core.esm

13 d Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm

14 e BraveNewWorld.esm

15 f FreesideOpen.esm

16 10 New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm

17 11 MoreMojave.esm

18 12 Run the Lucky 38.esm

19 13 ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

20 14 TLD_Travelers.esm

21 15 NVInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

22 16 factions reloaded raiders v2.esm

23 17 ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

24 18 DWCNV.esm

25 19 mojavereloaded1.esp

26 1a Gomorrah Redesigned v2.esp

27 1b The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm

28 1c NVR-Strip.esm

29 1d Uncut Road to Legate's Camp.esm

30 1e Bitter Springs Redesigned.esp

31 1f FCOMaster.esm

32 20 SomeguySeries.esm

33 21 More Traits.esm

34 22 Companion Core.esm

35 23 Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm

36 24 RobCo Certified.esm

37 25 Project Nevada - Core.esm

38 26 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

39 27 Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

40 28 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

41 29 More Perks.esm

42 2a More Perks for Companions.esm

43 2b YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp

44 2c NVR-Version_10.esp

45 2d Vurt's WFO.esp

46 2e New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp

47 2f Uncut Extra Collection FSO.esp

48 30 The Lucky 38 Empire.esp

49 31 NiptonRebuilt.esp

50 32 MusicPackRNV.esp

51 33 The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

52 34 MiscItemIconsNV.esp

53 35 JIP Improved Recipe Menu.esp

54 36 JustWeaponHweel.esp

55 37 CPI Icons.esp

56 38 DYNAVISION 2 - Dynamic Lens Effect.esp

57 39 Diagonal movement.esp

58 3a Bountiful Harvest.esp

59 3b outsidebets.esp

60 3c WMIMNV.esp

61 3d FreesideOpenPatch.esp

62 3e Uncut Wasteland FSO OB.esp

63 3f Factions Reloaded Legion.esp

64 40 factions reloaded followers.esp

65 41 NPCs Can Miss.esp

66 42 Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp

67 43 Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp

68 44 Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp

69 45 Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp

70 46 stronger merchants.esp

71 47 MaxFollowers12.esp

72 48 populatedcasino.esp

73 49 stronger mercs.esp

74 4a Vanilla UI Plus.esp

75 4b CIB Supermutants.esp

76 4c kochandbohr.esp

77 4d More Perks Update.esp

78 4e betsybrahminFSO.esp

79 4f NVR3_YUP Patch.esp

80 50 pnv.esp

81 51 WeaponModsExpanded.esp

82 52 Realistic_Repair_NV.esp

83 53 IMPACT.esp

84 54 CNR_Beta.esp

85 55 Project Nevada - WMX.esp

86 56 Project Nevada - Old World Blues.esp

87 57 Weapon Retexture Project.esp

88 58 MMWFOPatch.esp

89 59 Bitter Springs Revisited.esp

90 5a Mojave Wildlife (Vanilla-Style).esp

91 5b Uncut Skeletons.esp

92 5c NPC Project - 188 Trading Post.esp

93 5d NewVegasBounties.esp

94 5e TheInheritance.esp

95 5f 1nivVSLArmors.esp

96 60 BraveNewWorld-YUP.esp

97 61 TrooperOverhaul-Dragbody.esp

98 62 ELECTRO-CITYFSOPatch .esp

99 63 FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting - All DLC.esp

100 64 NevadaSkies.esp

101 65 NVR-NPCs.esp

102 66 FactionWastelandPresence.esp

103 67 ILO - YUP Patch.esp

104 68 housemod.esp

105 69 Northern Passage Cave Entrance.esp

106 6a IncreasedLegion1_1.esp

107 6b Wasteland Defense.esp

108 6c NewVegasBountiesFSOPatch.esp

109 6d Delay DLC - DM + HH + OWB + LR + GRA.esp

110 6e NCRTrooperOverhaul.esp

111 6f Roberts_NewVegas.esp

112 70 Better Burned Man.esp

113 71 LFox Bottle That Water.esp

114 72 NVR3_1nivVSLArmors Patch.esp

115 73 RobCo Certified Friendly Hit Fixer.esp

116 74 NVR3_CNR Patch.esp

117 75 NVR3_ProjectNevadaEquipment Patch.esp

118 76 NVR3_TrooperOverhaulDragbody Patch.esp

119 77 Vulpes Inculta.esp

120 78 uylssesbarksfix.esp

121 79 NPC Project - Aerotech Office Park.esp

122 7a NVR-ELECTRO-CTIY_Patch.esp

123 7b NVR3_OutsideBets Patch.esp

124 7c athornysituation.esp

125 7d awilderwasteland.esp

126 7e GoodspringsPlayerHome.esp

127 7f MoreMojave - NVBI Patch.esp

128 80 VarmintRifle22LR.esp

129 81 Uncut Bison Steve Trees.esp

130 82 BraveNewWorld-PN-Equipment.esp

131 83 Conelrad 640-1240.esp

132 84 dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp

133 85 FSOmusic.esp

134 86 Freeside Open and The Strip Map Markers.esp

135 87 KingOfTheRing.esp

136 88 NVBabyDeathclawCommander.esp

137 89 StartingGearOverhaul.esp

138 8a NVR3_ElectroCity Patch.esp

139 8b LegionCommander.esp

140 8c Karmic Balance.esp

141 8d Caesar Brotherhood.esp

142 8e More Perks for Companions Update.esp

143 8f More Traits Update.esp

144 90 UnlimitedCompanions.esp

145 91 Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp

 

As for all the rest, I've already read through a lot of those guides. I wouldn't ask a question if I wasn't sure it wasn't dealt with somewhere else. There was another post where they kept crashing at the 188 Trading post and nothing they recommended there helped. I read the CTD section of the troubleshooting page but I'm just too dumb I guess. I'm sorry if I'm doing something wrong here, I'll just delete everything and start from the beginning. Thank you M48A5 for trying to help.

[dubiousintent]

Gopher's guide is solid for the fundamentals. But no one can test all the possible permutations of the thousands of mods out there.

 

I don't see anything obviously wrong with that "load order", but you have a number of mods I am not familiar with. (Nothing surprising about that, but it means I can't really help with them.) LOOT takes care of most typical sorting issues.

 

You should always start troubleshooting from any error messages you can see. (They are your best "clue"; and why they exist at all.) We don't expect you to be able to interpret those messages, but reporting such accurately is an essential first step.

Anytime the game "Crashes to the Desktop" (CTD) it's typically going to generate an error message in the Windows Eventlog because the game engine was not able to predictably handle the error. Please see the "Windows Error Messages" section of the wiki "How to read most Bethesda game error logs" article.

Logs generated by the game itself (not Windows) are found in the game folder, where the "FalloutNV.EXE" file is located. They generally have the ".log" file extension, or a filename with "_log" in the name and a ".txt" extension.

You have a lot of mods that add NPCs and features to various areas around the worldspace, including the 188 Trading Post. Multiple mods changing the same sort of "thing" in the same area makes it more likely there will be a conflict. When you install a mod, there is always the possibility it will need to overwrite an existing file in the "Data" folder from another mod. If that happens, simply "disabling" a mod will not restore the overwritten one, so you don't resolve (or even identify the source of) the problem.

 

If you have a mod manager which restores overwritten files when a later added one is made "inactive", then you may be able to determine which is causing the conflict using that method, but the more affecting the area the greater the possibility more than one is responsible. In which case, starting over and adding AND TESTING each mod one by one will probably be the quickest way to resolve this conflict. Otherwise try the method laid out in the 'Mod Conflict Isolation' section of the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" article.

Another possibility is that you have added VWD/LOD mods (which do not show up in the "load order") but not rebuilt the "quads" using FNVLODGen or equivalent. If so, I would suggest testing this solution first. When you add (or remove) any VWD/LOD textures (such as NMC, Vurt's WFO, or Ojo Bueno), please see the 'Checklist Item #15 & 16' entries in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide regarding the need to run both TES4LL and FNVLODGen; or xLODGen - Terrain LOD beta for FNV, FO3, FO4, FO4VR, TES5, SSE, TES5VR, ENDERAL. Also recommend you read the 'LOD/VWD Texture Packs' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article first.

-Dubious-

Edited February 3, 2021 by dubiousintent