simonp92 Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 yes, that is huge amount of work.. i have seen some videos on youtube about it though,, problem with mod: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted269910User Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I've seen those aswell, and I know for a fact that a single horse cart is doable, but will require time. The request however was for a real carriage(With possibly multiple passangers.) with multiple horses pulling it, which is something I don't believe will be done anytime in the near future, maybe in TES V, but not during TES IV. Anyway, let's not go any further offtopic. The presentation was simply just an example and I could dig up several more. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exanimis Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 This guy requested a sword LINK he actually said that he didn't want to spend hours looking for a sword. That post irritated the crap out of me and I posted a negative response. I regret that now but I believe that that person is lost as a long time member of this forum. I see requests all the time that bother me. I want to play DiabloI want to play World of WarcraftI want to play Star Wars Then go buy those games has always been my sentiments. Oblivion as an MMO? Go play an MMO and leave Oblivion the way it is. That's not the best way of thinking and those of us who visit this forum everyday can easily get angered and frustrated with those type of requests but we need to think before we post negative comments. I've been told several times that something was imposable or that it would require much more knowledge than I was capable of ever learning. Those types of comments tend to derail us as we search for the necessary knowledge we need to accomplish our goals and dreams. The requests like the ones posted above may seem idiotic to us but to those requesting them, they are a legitimate request. They have an idea for a mod but no understanding of how much work goes into a mod that size. People have to learn somewhere, god knows I've made my share of stupid posts but I've learned from them. I heard a quote once and have always remembered it "No man is exempt from saying foolish things, the folly is to say them with intent." Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find out who said it. Just another stupid post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 There is also another aspect to this. Often people do search around a few times, but don't find anything because either there aren't any good key words for what they want, or because what they've searched for turns up a few hundred entries. If the mod already exists, it's really a simple matter of pointing that person to the mod, and not anything to be upset about. It's not like they normally make a request, get told that something close is already done, and then respond by insisting that their specific wishes are what they wanted. Once they see that there's something reasonably close to the idea, they're usually satisfied. Sword mesh requests wouldn't be quite so annoying if people showed a bit more variety in their wants. It it wasn't for the unfortunate fact that a game based sword is requested on an almost weekly basis, there wouldn't be too much of a problem with this sort of thing. If more of these requests had concept sketches (not screenshots from ingame or from a movie), and had a unique look or detail about them, there wouldn't be so much of a problem. If people were requesting things like axes, maces, hammers, and staffs too, it wouldn't be such a problem. The fact that most requests lack this is why sword requests are viewed in such light. Armor is a similar issue, there are just so few requests which can actually be worked with, as is. Most lack decent concept images, or are too complicated to be expected from free work. As for armor mods, there really aren't enough when you look at it... atleast, there aren't enough which are for both male and female, or cover more than 10% of the body. But the main problem here is not the lack of requests, but rather the lack of people who can work on said requests. Anyway, yeah, most of what needs to be said on the matter has already been said. You really cannot expect people to know about all the mods which are out there, nor can you expect them to pour through the database for hours looking for that one mod. Everyone else, namely that person who asks before doing anything else, should have their lips sewed together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted269910User Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Like I said, I do try at times to give off links etc. but I've also noticed that quite often the people requesting complicated things aren't willing to do a squat for it themselves, which makes me believe they don't even truly want it to be done.(Some lack the time to go into learning in depth, but even with school etc. I've found the time to go a bit deeper than just scratching the surface.) That is the attitude that bothers me the most, luckily there are people that want to learn to do the stuff they're personally interested in and put in effort to learn what is needed, with every now great modder as an example of that. Edit; Also about what Vagrant said of searches not bringing specific enough results. That is something I think could be handled in the forums and to some extent is done in the mod detectives thread.(They do get grumpy at times when someone asks if a specific kind of mod exists, but often it is possible to get an answer there.) I think a specific thread for asking if some mod already exists/expanding the mod detectives for that, by giving out some details could help.(Likely won't remove the problem tho.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exanimis Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Like I said, I do try at times to give off links etc. but I've also noticed that quite often the people requesting complicated things aren't willing to do a squat for it themselves, which makes me believe they don't even truly want it to be done.(Some lack the time to go into learning in depth, but even with school etc. I've found the time to go a bit deeper than just scratching the surface.) That is the attitude that bothers me the most, luckily there are people that want to learn to do the stuff they're personally interested in and put in effort to learn what is needed, with every now great modder as an example of that. Edit; Also about what Vagrant said of searches not bringing specific enough results. That is something I think could be handled in the forums and to some extent is done in the mod detectives thread.(They do get grumpy at times when someone asks if a specific kind of mod exists, but often it is possible to get an answer there.) I think a specific thread for asking if some mod already exists/expanding the mod detectives for that, by giving out some details could help.(Likely won't remove the problem tho.) I like the idea of that new thread and I believe it would get a lot of "traffic". I know that I would check it often and post links to what I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihateregisteringeverywhere Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Oh speaking of the games in games. I personally think that stealing some of the good things from the games has some merit. But completely recreating the games within the OB engine? Sheer nonsense. For example the d2 thingie again. I wouldn't mind having some of the special skills if you remember them - leap, whirlwind, frost orb, that kinda crap... But recreating the whole world? Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonp92 Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 i actually think it should be illegal for modders to recreate stuff from another game from scrarch,.. eventhough i do soo my self.. its the best place to get inspiration.. i cant take anymore request about runescape or diablo recreations,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyreil829 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 i actually think it should be illegal for modders to recreate stuff from another game from scrarch,.. eventhough i do soo my self.. its the best place to get inspiration.. i cant take anymore request about runescape or diablo recreations,, those type of requests tend to die quickly anyway simon DShadows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezdimona Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 the search aspect is a little tricky,but I can go thru the catagory's , depending on which one in less than an hour.Most people lack patience and or are too lazy to put in the time to look.If I know theres already an existing mod and they're new,I help out,if they have 2 or 300 posts,sorry,they can let their fingers do the walking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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