Crash to Desktop

[Kiois]

BOSS doesn't clean mods, just arranges their load order according to a 'guide' composed by the BOSS team through modder and mod users suggestions (or did you mean TES5Edit?). Even though you have just a handful of mods, I'd still like to see your BOSS log if you don't mind posting it.

 

Also, have you made any edits to the game ini files?

 

Apologies, my mistake. Yes, I meant TES5Edit. What I originally meant to say was that I used boss to reorder and TES5EDIT to clean.

 

I have made no modifications to the ini files themselves.

 

By BOSS logs do you mean the first page when it loads? If so it is below:

 

    Skyrim.esm Active
    Update.esm Active
        Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
    Dawnguard.esm Active
        Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
    HearthFires.esm Active
    Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active
        Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
    Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
        Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
    Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active

[ripple]

The BOSS log looks ok. I just wanted to see it to make sure you've cleaned the DLCs. Can you post your ini settings? Enclose them in spoiler tags.

[NemesisTheWarlock]

It could also be that you may need to lower your graphics settings, I experienced quite a few similar problems using the same ATI card that were resolved by reducing the graphics quality.

[Kiois]

The BOSS log looks ok. I just wanted to see it to make sure you've cleaned the DLCs. Can you post your ini settings? Enclose them in spoiler tags.

 

Will do:

 

 

Skyrim.ini

 

 

[General]

sLanguage=ENGLISH

 

uExterior Cell Buffer=36

 

[Display]

fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0

fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0

fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048

bAllowScreenshot=1

 

[Audio]

fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0

fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0

fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0

fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0

 

[Grass]

bAllowCreateGrass=1

bAllowLoadGrass=0

 

[GeneralWarnings]

SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

 

[Archive]

sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa

sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa

 

[Combat]

fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0

fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0

 

[Papyrus]

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0

bEnableLogging=0

bEnableTrace=0

bLoadDebugInformation=0

[Water]

bReflectLODObjects=0

bReflectLODLand=0

bReflectSky=0

bReflectLODTrees=0

 

 

 

 

 

SkyrimPrefs.ini

 

 

 

[General]

fBrightLightColorB=1.0000

fBrightLightColorG=1.0000

fBrightLightColorR=1.0000

iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1

bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0

[imagespace]

bDoDepthOfField=1

iRadialBlurLevel=1

[Display]

iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3

fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000

fShadowDistance=4000.0000

iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=1024

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048

iShadowSplitCount=2

iMaxAnisotropy=1

fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000

fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000

fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=5000.0000

fGamma=1.0000

fDecalLOD2=1500.0000

fDecalLOD1=1000.0000

fSpecularLODStartFade=1190.0000

fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000

fLightLODStartFade=2500.0000

iTexMipMapMinimum=0

iTexMipMapSkip=0

iWaterMultiSamples=0

iMultiSample=0

iShadowMode=3

bTreesReceiveShadows=0

bDrawLandShadows=0

bFull Screen=1

iSize H=1080

iSize W=1920

fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000

fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000

iScreenShotIndex=2

bShadowMaskZPrepass=0

bMainZPrepass=0

iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=10

iMaxDecalsPerFrame=30

bFloatPointRenderTarget=0

sD3DDevice="ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"

bFXAAEnabled=0

iShadowMapResolution=2048

fShadowBiasScale=0.2500

iShadowMaskQuarter=4

iAdapter=0

iPresentInterval=1

iShadowFilter=3

bShadowsOnGrass=1

bTransparencyMultisampling=0

bDeferredShadows=1

bDrawShadows=1

[Grass]

b30GrassVS=0

fGrassStartFadeDistance=5000.0000

fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000

fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000

[MAIN]

bGamepadEnable=1

bCrosshairEnabled=1

fHUDOpacity=1.0000

bSaveOnPause=1

bSaveOnTravel=1

bSaveOnWait=1

bSaveOnRest=1

fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000

[GamePlay]

bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1

bShowQuestMarkers=1

iDifficulty=2

[interface]

bDialogueSubtitles=1

bGeneralSubtitles=0

fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000

bShowCompass=1

[Controls]

fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000

fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0380

bAlwaysRunByDefault=1

bInvertYValues=0

bGamePadRumble=1

bMouseAcceleration=1

bUseKinect=0

[Particles]

iMaxDesired=750

[saveGame]

fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000

[AudioMenu]

fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000

fVal7=1.0000

uID7=0

fVal6=1.0000

uID6=0

fVal5=1.0000

uID5=0

fVal4=1.0000

uID4=0

fVal3=1.0000

uID3=94881

fVal2=0.5000

uID2=466532

fVal1=1.0000

uID1=554685

fVal0=0.8000

uID0=1007612

[Clouds]

fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000

fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000

fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000

fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000

[TerrainManager]

fTreeLoadDistance=40000.0000

fBlockMaximumDistance=150000.0000

fBlockLevel1Distance=40000.0000

fBlockLevel0Distance=25000.0000

fSplitDistanceMult=1.1000

bShowLODInEditor=0

[NavMesh]

fObstacleAlpha=0.5000

fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000

fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500

fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000

fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500

fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000

fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000

fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500

fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000

fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000

fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000

fEdgeThickness=10.0000

fPointSize=2.5000

[Trees]

bRenderSkinnedTrees=1

uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20

[Decals]

uMaxDecals=250

bDecals=1

bSkinnedDecals=1

uMaxSkinDecals=50

uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=40

[LOD]

fLODFadeOutMultObjects=7.5000

fLODFadeOutMultItems=4.5000

fLODFadeOutMultActors=6.0000

fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000

[Launcher]

bEnableFileSelection=1

bShowAllResolutions=1

uLastAspectRatio=3

[blurShaderHDR]

bDoHighDynamicRange=1

[blurShader]

bUseBlurShader=0

[Water]

iWaterReflectHeight=512

iWaterReflectWidth=512

bUseWaterDisplacements=1

bUseWaterRefractions=1

bUseWaterReflections=1

bUseWaterDepth=1

 

 

 

 

It could also be that you may need to lower your graphics settings, I experienced quite a few similar problems using the same ATI card that were resolved by reducing the graphics quality.

 

Shouldn't be the graphics at all. I have been playing Skyrim since the game came out. The crashes are more recent (post installing Dawnguard). I will try playing it in a lower detail to see what happens.

Edited April 14, 2013 by Kiois

[ripple]

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000

 

Sometimes, if you have a below spec rig, tweaking the ini settings might help if you need to do that just to sustain playable framerates (I did this quite a bit when I was playing Skyrim with my old 512mb GPU). However, most user do not know and need to understand that the default ini values are optimized for 'stability', and tweaking some ini settings to 'excessively high' values either to improve 'performance' or to get rid of minor graphic glitches like distant LOD 'pop-in's' is basically demanding the game engine handle a workload that it may not be designed for. I've seen some of Gopher's videos and he does some of this himself, but quite frankly, it's just not a good idea and especially if you are experiencing stability issues. Given that your rig is probably not as powerful Gopher's gaming PC, it's may very well be incapable of handling those sorts of settings (on top of the fact that this is already stressing the game engine beyond normal parameters).

 

Aside from the 2 lines I quoted, you have a number of other ini tweaks. So, try going back to default in settings and see if your game stabilizes, even slightly. The quickest way to do this is to backup and delete your current ini files, then let the game generate new ones on next launch.

Edited April 14, 2013 by ripple

[Kiois]

 

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000

 

Sometimes, if you have a below spec rig, tweaking the ini settings might help if you need to do that just to sustain playable framerates (I did this quite a bit when I was playing Skyrim with my old 512mb GPU). However, most user do not know and need to understand that the default ini values are optimized for 'stability', and tweaking some ini settings to 'excessively high' values either to improve 'performance' or to get rid of minor graphic glitches like distant LOD 'pop-in's' is basically demanding the game engine handle a workload that it may not be designed for. I've seen some of Gopher's videos and he does some of this himself, but quite frankly, it's just not a good idea and especially if you are experiencing stability issues. Given that your rig is probably not as powerful Gopher's gaming PC, it's may very well be incapable of handling those sorts of settings (on top of the fact that this is already stressing the game engine beyond normal parameters).

 

Aside from the 2 lines I quoted, you have a number of other ini tweaks. So, try going back to default in settings and see if your game stabilizes, even slightly. The quickest way to do this is to backup and delete your current ini files, then let the game generate new ones on next launch.

 

My set-up may not be fantastic but it is good enough to have played Skyrim on high detail for about a year. The problem of crashes occured post Dawnguard installation only. I never experienced a crash or even lag before Dawnguard. I still don't experience lag, just crashes.

 

I will, however, take up your suggestion of default and see what happens. I will do this tomorrow morning and will update you on the results. Thank you for your assistance, by the way, it is appreciated.

Edited April 15, 2013 by Kiois

[Kiois]

Okay, I took your advice and deleted both ini files and allowed the game to replace them. I then played the game, within about a minute, the game crashed.

 

Here are the files:

 

Skyrim.ini

 

 

[General]
sLanguage=ENGLISH

uExterior Cell Buffer=36

[Display]
fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0
fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0
fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0
iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
bAllowScreenshot=1

[Audio]
fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0
fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0
fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0
fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0

[Grass]
bAllowCreateGrass=1
bAllowLoadGrass=0

[GeneralWarnings]
SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

[Archive]
sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa
sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa

[Combat]
fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0
fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=0
bEnableTrace=0
bLoadDebugInformation=0
[Water]
bReflectLODObjects=1
bReflectLODLand=1
bReflectSky=0
bReflectLODTrees=1

 

 

SkyrimPrefs.ini

 

 

[General]
fBrightLightColorB=1.0000
fBrightLightColorG=1.0000
fBrightLightColorR=1.0000
iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1
bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0
[imagespace]
bDoDepthOfField=1
iRadialBlurLevel=1
[Display]
iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3
fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000
fShadowDistance=4000.0000
iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=1024
iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
iShadowSplitCount=2
iMaxAnisotropy=8
fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000
fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000
fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=5000.0000
fGamma=1.0000
fDecalLOD2=1500.0000
fDecalLOD1=1000.0000
fSpecularLODStartFade=1000.0000
fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000
fLightLODStartFade=2500.0000
iTexMipMapMinimum=0
iTexMipMapSkip=0
iWaterMultiSamples=0
iMultiSample=8
iShadowMode=3
bTreesReceiveShadows=0
bDrawLandShadows=0
bFull Screen=1
iSize H=1080
iSize W=1920
fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000
fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000
iScreenShotIndex=2
bShadowMaskZPrepass=0
bMainZPrepass=0
iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=10
iMaxDecalsPerFrame=30
bFloatPointRenderTarget=0
sD3DDevice="ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
bFXAAEnabled=0
iShadowMapResolution=2048
fShadowBiasScale=0.2500
iShadowMaskQuarter=4
iAdapter=0
iPresentInterval=1
iShadowFilter=3
bShadowsOnGrass=1
bTransparencyMultisampling=0
bDeferredShadows=1
bDrawShadows=1
[Grass]
b30GrassVS=1
fGrassStartFadeDistance=5000.0000
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000
[MAIN]
bGamepadEnable=1
bCrosshairEnabled=1
fHUDOpacity=1.0000
bSaveOnPause=1
bSaveOnTravel=1
bSaveOnWait=1
bSaveOnRest=1
fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000
[GamePlay]
bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1
bShowQuestMarkers=1
iDifficulty=2
[interface]
bDialogueSubtitles=1
bGeneralSubtitles=0
fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000
bShowCompass=1
[Controls]
fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000
fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0300
bAlwaysRunByDefault=1
bInvertYValues=0
bGamePadRumble=1
bMouseAcceleration=1
bUseKinect=0
[Particles]
iMaxDesired=750
[saveGame]
fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000
[AudioMenu]
fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000
fVal7=1.0000
uID7=0
fVal6=1.0000
uID6=0
fVal5=1.0000
uID5=0
fVal4=1.0000
uID4=0
fVal3=1.0000
uID3=94881
fVal2=0.5500
uID2=466532
fVal1=1.0000
uID1=554685
fVal0=0.8000
uID0=1007612
[Clouds]
fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000
fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000
fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000
fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000
[TerrainManager]
fTreeLoadDistance=40000.0000
fBlockMaximumDistance=150000.0000
fBlockLevel1Distance=40000.0000
fBlockLevel0Distance=25000.0000
fSplitDistanceMult=1.1000
bShowLODInEditor=0
[NavMesh]
fObstacleAlpha=0.5000
fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000
fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500
fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000
fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500
fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000
fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000
fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500
fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000
fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000
fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000
fEdgeThickness=10.0000
fPointSize=2.5000
[Trees]
bRenderSkinnedTrees=1
uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20
[Decals]
uMaxDecals=250
bDecals=1
bSkinnedDecals=1
uMaxSkinDecals=50
uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=40
[LOD]
fLODFadeOutMultObjects=7.5000
fLODFadeOutMultItems=4.5000
fLODFadeOutMultActors=6.0000
fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000
[Launcher]
bEnableFileSelection=1
bShowAllResolutions=1
uLastAspectRatio=3
[blurShaderHDR]
bDoHighDynamicRange=1
[blurShader]
bUseBlurShader=0
[Water]
iWaterReflectHeight=512
iWaterReflectWidth=512
bUseWaterDisplacements=1
bUseWaterRefractions=1
bUseWaterReflections=1
bUseWaterDepth=1

 

 

[Kiois]

Both files contain

 

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000

 

If this is the problem, it is being produced by the game itself.

[ripple]

I just checked my skyrimpref.ini (which contains only minimal edits), and the default value on my end appears to be:

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=3072 
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=4096

 

Edited April 16, 2013 by ripple

[Kiois]

 

I just checked my skyrimpref.ini (which contains only minimal edits), and the default value on my end appears to be:

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=3072 
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=4096

 

 

What I will do is play it tomorrow morning with those settings. If it does not crash, then you are my dragonborn lord and Skyrim savour.

 

Again, thank you for your help by the way. It is very much appreciated :)