Automatic rifle modifications

[Roviakin71]

I like the Automatic Rifle but I can think it can be improved by providing extra modification attachments. To keep the established lore of the automatic rifle being based, on the BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) all the attachments must be parts of various BAR variants including foreign versions.

 

Changeable Barrel:

Increases the condition of the gun by 40 %. Adds a changeable barrel

 

Bipod:

Decreases spread by 0.6 when standing, spread is decreased by 1.2 when mounted. Add a bipod that allows the Automatic rifle to be mounted on various objects (fence, sandbag wall, etc)

 

Extended Magazine:

Increases size of the magazine from 20 to 40. Adds an extended magazine

 

Below is a KG 37 a Swedish variant of the BAR showing the changeable barrel and bipod

http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/kg/kg_bilder/kg37_901h.jpg

 

The image below is a Polish variant of the BAR with a 40 round magazine intended for anti aircraft usage

http://www.combatreform.org/Image953.jpg

[dangman4ever]

I like the quick-change barrel idea as it does fit in with the lore a bit. However, the bipod doesn't make much sense to me considering that the game doesn't allow for weapons to be mounted or deployed on anything. Not to mention that a bipod doesn't exactly improve accuracy when standing up. Finally, the in-game gun already has a bipod if you look carefully: The bipod is just folded up. But if you still want to improve the accuracy of the automatic rifle a bit, how about a pistol grip instead as seen on the Colt Monitor:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Firearms_practice%2C_1936.jpg

As for the extended magazine, a 40 round 7.62mm magazine would be too heavy in real life for use by regular infantry. Note that the example you used was fitted as an AA weapon, not as a mobile infantry weapon. Plus there are plenty of 7.62x51mm NATO rifles these days that only come with a 20 round mag rather than a 30 round mag. i.e the M110, SR25, M14, etc. The 7.62mm rounds is a relatively heavy round.

Yes it is odd that I'm critizing the potential weight issues considering that this is a game that lets you carry a minigun. Still though, it's worth taking into consideration if you want to keep this gun near as RL as possible or as game-like as possible.

Edited April 18, 2013 by dangman4ever

[Roviakin71]

I like the quick-change barrel idea as it does fit in with the lore a bit. However, the bipod doesn't make much sense to me considering that the game doesn't allow for weapons to be mounted or deployed on anything. Not to mention that a bipod doesn't exactly improve accuracy when standing up. Finally, the in-game gun already has a bipod if you look carefully: The bipod is just folded up. But if you still want to improve the accuracy of the automatic rifle a bit, how about a pistol grip instead as seen on the Colt Monitor:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Firearms_practice%2C_1936.jpg

 

As for the extended magazine, a 40 round 7.62mm magazine would be too heavy in real life for use by regular infantry. Note that the example you used was fitted as an AA weapon, not as a mobile infantry weapon. Plus there are plenty of 7.62x51mm NATO rifles these days that only come with a 20 round mag rather than a 30 round mag. i.e the M110, SR25, M14, etc. The 7.62mm rounds is a relatively heavy round.

 

Yes it is odd that I'm critizing the potential weight issues considering that this is a game that lets you carry a minigun. Still though, it's worth taking into consideration if you want to keep this gun near as RL as possible or as game-like as possible.

The in game version of the automatic rifle already has a pistol grip If we wanted the pistol grip as an attachment the stock automatic rifle model has to be redesign so that it doesn't have the pistol grip as standard. I think an alternative to the Bipod could be a cuff compensator and there were FBI versions of the BAR that featured both pistol grips and compensators

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Firearms_practice%2C_1936.jpg

Maybe the 40 round magazine is a little too much probably downsized to either 30 or 25 rounds (the M41 Johnson LGM which used the same rounds as the BAR had a 25 round magazine and was only 13 lb compared to the 19lb M1918A2)

 

I find it strange how the US army BAR variants were virtually nearly identical to its original M1918 version with only minor changes, while countries that made their own versions and made significant changes resulting in weapons that were in ways superior to the original american BAR. Below is a link to essay about tHE BAR

http://www.combatreform.org/lightmachineguns.htm

[dangman4ever]

The in-game automatic rifle doesn't have that pistol grip. Just to be clear, by pistol grip, I mean the extended bit in front of the magazine. In the picture we both posted, the FBI agent is holding the pistol grip with his left hand. The Polish version had something similar:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/3/3b/Polish_Browning_wz_1928.jpg

 

Again, I'm talking about the extended bit in front of the magazine.

 

As for the extended mag, 25 round mag would make sense. From perusing gun forums, 30 round 7.62x51mm magazines are pretty heavy.

 

In regards to your link, I would not take everything that man says seriously. Mike Sparks is known for making out of this world recommendations, comments, and thoughts on miltary matters. In another forum that I visit often, Mike Sparks is not taken seriously at all due to his views:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/poke-holes-in-sparkys-analyses.239550/

 

Another post from that forum about Mike Sparks:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/design-a-modern-assault-gun.234946/page-4#post-8704197

 

So yeah, I wouldn't take everything that man says seriously.

Edited April 18, 2013 by dangman4ever

[laclongquan]

you turn the function of bipod on its head.

A quick and simple application is to decrease spread if firing the gun at crouch position. Youknow, crouch and the bipod with touch the ground, increase stability.

Increases the condition of the gun by 40 %. is a fine idea. The name sucks, though. Think Fallout, chap. You are in a decaying world, where the hell do you find a new barrel to change to the old? Keep the function but change the name

"Synth Alloy Barrel" is better, considering the gun design last at least 300 years.

Or if you want a new thing "Maintainance Kit".

Edited April 18, 2013 by laclongquan

[Roviakin71]

The in-game automatic rifle doesn't have that pistol grip. Just to be clear, by pistol grip, I mean the extended bit in front of the magazine. In the picture we both posted, the FBI agent is holding the pistol grip with his left hand. The Polish version had something similar:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/3/3b/Polish_Browning_wz_1928.jpg

 

Again, I'm talking about the extended bit in front of the magazine.

 

As for the extended mag, 25 round mag would make sense. From perusing gun forums, 30 round 7.62x51mm magazines are pretty heavy.

 

In regards to your link, I would not take everything that man says seriously. Mike Sparks is known for making out of this world recommendations, comments, and thoughts on miltary matters. In another forum that I visit often, Mike Sparks is not taken seriously at all due to his views:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/poke-holes-in-sparkys-analyses.239550/

 

Another post from that forum about Mike Sparks:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/design-a-modern-assault-gun.234946/page-4#post-8704197

 

So yeah, I wouldn't take everything that man says seriously.

I thought the pistol grip was the thing behind the trigger guard

[dangman4ever]

 

The in-game automatic rifle doesn't have that pistol grip. Just to be clear, by pistol grip, I mean the extended bit in front of the magazine. In the picture we both posted, the FBI agent is holding the pistol grip with his left hand. The Polish version had something similar:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/3/3b/Polish_Browning_wz_1928.jpg

 

Again, I'm talking about the extended bit in front of the magazine.

 

As for the extended mag, 25 round mag would make sense. From perusing gun forums, 30 round 7.62x51mm magazines are pretty heavy.

 

In regards to your link, I would not take everything that man says seriously. Mike Sparks is known for making out of this world recommendations, comments, and thoughts on miltary matters. In another forum that I visit often, Mike Sparks is not taken seriously at all due to his views:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/poke-holes-in-sparkys-analyses.239550/

 

Another post from that forum about Mike Sparks:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/design-a-modern-assault-gun.234946/page-4#post-8704197

 

So yeah, I wouldn't take everything that man says seriously.

I thought the pistol grip was the thing behind the trigger guard

It is. I made a small mistake: The bit I was talking about is called the forward pistol grip. The pistol grip behind the trigger guard is just called the pistol grip.

[Roviakin71]

The in-game automatic rifle doesn't have that pistol grip. Just to be clear, by pistol grip, I mean the extended bit in front of the magazine. In the picture we both posted, the FBI agent is holding the pistol grip with his left hand. The Polish version had something similar:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/3/3b/Polish_Browning_wz_1928.jpg

 

Again, I'm talking about the extended bit in front of the magazine.

 

As for the extended mag, 25 round mag would make sense. From perusing gun forums, 30 round 7.62x51mm magazines are pretty heavy.

 

In regards to your link, I would not take everything that man says seriously. Mike Sparks is known for making out of this world recommendations, comments, and thoughts on miltary matters. In another forum that I visit often, Mike Sparks is not taken seriously at all due to his views:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/poke-holes-in-sparkys-analyses.239550/

 

Another post from that forum about Mike Sparks:

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/design-a-modern-assault-gun.234946/page-4#post-8704197

 

So yeah, I wouldn't take everything that man says seriously.

Well I think you can by new barrels from the Gun Runners after all they do make professionally made guns for anyone who wants to buy them