Are we alone in the universe?

[marharth]

How do we know time has a beginning or an end?

 

It goes pretty deep, and is the biggest question humanity has ever faced, but time having a beginning is something humans can't understand. It ends up in a never ending line.

 

I prefer to look at time as a single point, the present. The future has not yet happened, and the future is just a guess at what will come. When the future does happen, it becomes the present. The past has already happened, but everything that happened in the past was in the present.

[Nintii]

How do we know time has a beginning or an end?

 

It goes pretty deep, and is the biggest question humanity has ever faced, but time having a beginning is something humans can't understand. It ends up in a never ending line.

 

I prefer to look at time as a single point, the present. The future has not yet happened, and the future is just a guess at what will come. When the future does happen, it becomes the present. The past has already happened, but everything that happened in the past was in the present.

 

Ok then, I'm now treading thin ground but I'm sure it will hold ... It IS FACTUAL that "predictions" concerning future events have been made and those "predictions" have taken place as was "foretold" now how was this possible ?

 

Past knowing future ... or more accurately, present (at the moment the predictions were made) foretelling future.

 

My response to this is as follows .... the future is knowable because it has already taken place ... yes I know it sounds weird but that's how I see it ... even to a leaf falling from a tree.

 

Again let's steer away from religion if you please ... but what I've stated above goes pretty crosswise to what you've said ... would you care to respond.

Edited November 2, 2011 by Nintii

[hoofhearted4]

the funny thing about the present, it its also perspective. if you get right down to it, the present is such a narrow window it almost doesnt exist. and i dont mean in relation to the past or present. think of it this way. all events are a piece of string. you draw a line onthe table, which represents the present. as you pull the string over the line, everything before it is future, everything on the line is present and everything past the line is, well the past. depending on how wide you made that line, is how long you are recording as present time. but the smaller you make that line the less of a present time there is. eventually leading to such a tiny thin line, that present time is almost non existent

 

another way of putting this is; we count time in seconds right? so every second that ticks is the present. when the next one ticks, that one becomes the present and the previous one becomes the past. what if we count every millisecond. now every thousandth of a second becomes the present. now for every thousandth of a second that is considered present, we take a thousandth of a second of that. now every millionth of a second is present, because the next millionth hasnt happened yet and the last millionth has already happened. and you keep going to smaller and smaller increments. and once again, you realize that present time is almost non existent.

[Nintii]

the funny thing about the present, it its also perspective. if you get right down to it, the present is such a narrow window it almost doesnt exist. and i dont mean in relation to the past or present. think of it this way. all events are a piece of string. you draw a line onthe table, which represents the present. as you pull the string over the line, everything before it is future, everything on the line is present and everything past the line is, well the past. depending on how wide you made that line, is how long you are recording as present time. but the smaller you make that line the less of a present time there is. eventually leading to such a tiny thin line, that present time is almost non existent

 

another way of putting this is; we count time in seconds right? so every second that ticks is the present. when the next one ticks, that one becomes the present and the previous one becomes the past. what if we count every millisecond. now every thousandth of a second becomes the present. now for every thousandth of a second that is considered present, we take a thousandth of a second of that. now every millionth of a second is present, because the next millionth hasnt happened yet and the last millionth has already happened. and you keep going to smaller and smaller increments. and once again, you realize that present time is almost non existent.

 

It's funny that you say that, recently i heard someone saying that "scientists" claim that everything happening within the space of 7 seconds can be classified as being in "the present", though where they got this info I don't truly know.

 

Ok, so I've completely gone off topic here, but that's the nature of discussing things isn't it ... exploring the heart AND IT'S PARAMETERS.

Edited November 2, 2011 by Nintii

[hoofhearted4]

It's funny that you say that, recently i heard someone saying that "scientists" claim that everything happening within the space of 7 seconds can be classified as being in "the present", though where they got this info I don't truly know.

 

which goes back to my other post. Time is relative, because the measurement of time is a man made thing. whether we measure time by seconds or tri-seconds or call present every 7 seconds or what have you, none of it changes the universe, the earth still rotates at the same speed regardless of how long we say it takes.

[HephaestusAndrocus]

Time is simply another dimension, like height or width or depth. It's the fourth we know definitely exists, as well as gravity/electromagnetism (the 5th).

[marharth]

Well s***, did this turn into a debate on time?

[Nintii]

Well s***, did this turn into a debate on time?

 

Well first mention of it was in post No. 79 then you decided to focus on it exclusively in the very next post No. 80 ... from there it all just went uphill and got better ... lol ... yes, it has been an interesting ride and one I've really enjoyed.

 

But then again that's the natural flow of things isn't it ... if you haven't realised it by now, then understand it now ... this is more of a natural conversation amongst a group of people ... some want to argue, others debate, yet others see the picture from a different point of view

and influenced by their culture, beliefs, or upbringing or even level of education or non-education, they too want to add their two cents worth ... live with it.

 

To create a strict box of only these ingredients i.e debate, then my suggestion is to have or to create topics which are "by invitation only", that way you can keep it just the way you like it ... unfortunately people being people, you'd soon discover it happening there as well ... because people hate boxes and will subconciously fight it ... when anything becomes a LAW it's going to be like a moth to a flame, it's bound to get broken.

 

Otherwise you can simply BLOCK those posters that you don't want to communicate with - preferrably everyone - then when you "debate" you won't even see the "pesky, bad, emotional, stupid, boring and unitelligent and uniformed" and never have to bother with them.

 

How's that for ereally going off topic ... I just felt that it was neccessary to mention this ... Marharth, it's people like you that keep this place alive and interesting by your persistance to be heard ... though I don't agree with you on a lot of stuff, I doubt that I'd really be happy if you ever decided to leave.

 

Lastly, I've seen that I now follow on from the previous posters post yet try where I can to retain some type of element to the topic at hand ...

 

so ... (being faithful to my words),

 

I'm sure we're not alone in the universe dear man, as a matter of fact if there where truly other "developed life forms" out there, they would be so vastly different from what we normally perceive them to be ... isn't it just amazing how we try to somehow create the aliens in our image ... they always somehow tend to look like us in some way ?

That's a sure sign that we have invented them.

Edited November 3, 2011 by Nintii

[Keanumoreira]

Well, there's a theory that claims that the universe never began because it has always existed. It's known as a causality loop, where the universe first "began" in a point outside space called the White Room. It is an infinite plane where anything can be done or created because the law of physics does not exist here. If one were to suddenly introduce a component of the law of physics into this room, it would create a brand new universe with it's own laws and what have you. Simply put, if the theory is correct, a universe is created by another one. Although it is difficult to see how this is possible, the Causality Loop theory is backed up by the fact that the universe is a sphere. A sphere, If anyone knows their Geometry; has no beginning or an end. It just simply exists. I personally believe in the theory. It makes the most sense to me.

[hoofhearted4]

Well s***, did this turn into a debate on time?

 

Well first mention of it was in post No. 79 then you decided to focus on it exclusively in the very next post No. 80 ... from there it all just went uphill and got better ... lol ... yes, it has been an interesting ride and one I've really enjoyed.

 

But then again that's the natural flow of things isn't it ... if you haven't realised it by now, then understand it now ... this is more of a natural conversation amongst a group of people ... some want to argue, others debate, yet others see the picture from a different point of view

and influenced by their culture, beliefs, or upbringing or even level of education or non-education, they too want to add their two cents worth ... live with it.

 

To create a strict box of only these ingredients i.e debate, then my suggestion is to have or to create topics which are "by invitation only", that way you can keep it just the way you like it ... unfortunately people being people, you'd soon discover it happening there as well ... because people hate boxes and will subconciously fight it ... when anything becomes a LAW it's going to be like a moth to a flame, it's bound to get broken.

 

Otherwise you can simply BLOCK those posters that you don't want to communicate with - preferrably everyone - then when you "debate" you won't even see the "pesky, bad, emotional, stupid, boring and unitelligent and uniformed" and never have to bother with them.

 

How's that for ereally going off topic ... I just felt that it was neccessary to mention this ... Marharth, it's people like you that keep this place alive and interesting by your persistance to be heard ... though I don't agree with you on a lot of stuff, I doubt that I'd really be happy if you ever decided to leave.

 

Lastly, I've seen that I now follow on from the previous posters post yet try where I can to retain some type of element to the topic at hand ...

 

so ... (being faithful to my words),

 

I'm sure we're not alone in the universe dear man, as a matter of fact if there where truly other "developed life forms" out there, they would be so vastly different from what we normally perceive them to be ... isn't it just amazing how we try to somehow create the aliens in our image ... they always somehow tend to look like us in some way ?

That's a sure sign that we have invented them.

 

i take pride in being the poster of the infamous 79th post.

 

its a blast discussing a topic which no one here (or really, no one in the world) has any extreme amount of knowledge or knows anything for certain on since its all speculation for the most part and cant really be proven one way or the other, (such as time and space and aliens and what have you)