Was fallout 3 ever meant to be played in ultra?

[hello987654321]

I mean can you really play fallout 3 on ultra without experiencing game-breaking stuttering and hitching, even when GPU usage doesn't go above 30%? Cause every time I turn the mouse very fast, the game stutters. Every time I enter a new cell, the game stutters. Every time a car explodes the game stutters. Every time I approach an exploded car the game stutters. And in addition to stuttering, the framerate drops below 60 in almost every battle. I've tried everything, I started from the humble "change ifpsclamp in fallout.ini to 60", then unfortunately stumbled upon that idiot of the "Fallout 3 Tweak Guide" which had the most pointless useless advice I ever found on the internet, and of course I discovered the fallout stutter remover which helped a lot in some areas and helped nothing in other areas. And I keep trying mod after mod, from RAM boosting to cell purging, nothing helps.

But if I reduce my settings to high the stuttering is drastically reduced, and if I reduce them to medium the stuttering virtually disappears.

I'm just wondering, why do Bethesda have the most brilliant story and dialogue writers, the most brilliant artists and graphics designers, the most visionary gameplay mechanics, but they have monkeys for programmers? How could they try as hard as they can to make the game as immersive as possible in all aspects except in the most critical part, of delivering a stable framerate and performance?

 

Here are my specs:

i7-2600

GTX 580

Samsung SSD 500GB

16GB RAM

 

Even on a damn SSD there is still hitching and stuttering everywhere.

Imagine what would happen if I tried using HD texture packs.

Edited May 13, 2013 by hello987654321

[McclaudEagle]

It must be something to do with your copy of the game, or your PC. Aside from the occasional stall or crash, my Fallout 3 works perfectly fine on Ultra with next to no stutter and with quite high FPS rate, and that's on a machine with specs that aren't as good as yours.

 

Mods might be a cause of it, or something is wrong with your PC, I can't really say.

[M48A5]

Have you: Limited your CPU to only 2 cores in the .ini?

Made the game Large Address Aware so it uses more than 2GB of RAM?

Installed the game in a location other than "Program Files"?

 

I am using an AMD 2.9GB duel core with an nVidia 9500GT and 4GB RAM. I have my game set on High detail, no AA, no AF with the Juicy Sweet FX, and I am not having the slow down and stuttering your are having.

[hello987654321]

It must be something to do with your copy of the game, or your PC. Aside from the occasional stall or crash, my Fallout 3 works perfectly fine on Ultra with next to no stutter and with quite high FPS rate, and that's on a machine with specs that aren't as good as yours.

 

 

 

Mods might be a cause of it, or something is wrong with your PC, I can't really say.

 

There's nothing wrong with my system, all other games run perfectly fine; and there are no different copies of fallout 3, there's just one copy.

The fact that this game stutters heavily is backed up by all of the mods you see around here that aim to fix the stuttering(but usually miss), and the thousands of questions on the internet about fallout 3 stuttering.

I think you're just the type that doesn't notice stuttering, or you're not bothered by it to an extent that it would catch your attention. But you do have it, especially if you don't have the fallout 3 stutter remover. Just run Fraps and watch the fps counter.

Edited May 13, 2013 by hello987654321

[hello987654321]

Have you: Limited your CPU to only 2 cores in the .ini?

Made the game Large Address Aware so it uses more than 2GB of RAM?

Installed the game in a location other than "Program Files"?

 

I am using an AMD 2.9GB duel core with an nVidia 9500GT and 4GB RAM. I have my game set on High detail, no AA, no AF with the Juicy Sweet FX, and I am not having the slow down and stuttering your are having.

These are all basic things I already did long ago.

And if I run the game with the same settings as you I won't get much stuttering either.

[BrainFever]

I feel you man. Its really frustrating to not be able to run flawlessly a 5-year old game when obviously you got a rig that far exceeds the requirements it needs. I guess thats the way gamebryo engine works and these are its cons. And to be honest stuttering is the least compared to lags, freezes, CTD's and the general instability of this game. And of course it is quite interesting that many people have solved(or reduced a lot)somehow this pack of problems that comes with fo3 and some others cant solve them no matter what they try...

[hello987654321]

BrainFever, on 14 May 2013 - 02:35, said:

I feel you man. Its really frustrating to not be able to run flawlessly a 5-year old game when obviously you got a rig that far exceeds the requirements it needs. I guess thats the way gamebryo engine works and these are its cons. And to be honest stuttering is the least compared to lags, freezes, CTD's and the general instability of this game. And of course it is quite interesting that many people have solved(or reduced a lot)somehow this pack of problems that comes with fo3 and some others cant solve them no matter what they try...

You want to know what's even more frustrating? The very reason I bought this gaming rig is so I could play Fallout 3 on ultra settings. Fallout 3 is the sole reason I spent so much money to buy this rig, and yet I can't run it on ultra! I used to play fallout 3 on a laptop, and aside from the lower graphical performance of the laptop, it felt more immersive for some reason(maybe cause I could play it while on my bed); but I needed to play this game on ultra settings so bad that I threw the laptop away and bought a new gaming rig.

 

I think what Bethesda was intending was to as usual release a broken game, i.e. broken in terms of framerate stability and CTD's, and then let the modding community fix it for them. And the CTD's were mostly fixed by the Unofficial fallout 3 patch, but to this day nobody has come up with a mod that fixed stuttering and lagging. The fallout stutter remover helped a little but didn't come near fixing the game. I heard there was something called streamline made by modders for Oblivion, which supposedly fixed all performance issues in that game, I wish someone would make something like that for fallout 3, but it's been five years and no modder has yet bothered to try to fix fallout's performance issues, so it's unlikely anyone ever will. It seems the only mods they're willing to make are texture mods and prostitute sex mods.

Edited May 14, 2013 by hello987654321

[Purr4me]

TO hello987654321: Post your chipset here so I can see what is is, not just the name, it's specs. IT shows your running ami7, so I know 1 off the bat that will help that, but I need to know other things too. as far as no one has tried, that's not quite true. There have been many attempts. The people making the attempt were met with frustration so they left. I have access to information that you might try. but 1rst I need to know what exactly your running, all of it and where its' at.

• OS
• Game location
• system settings
• tweaks of any kind in any thing
• mods used
• tests done "Un modded" <---Raw default game data / No mods.
• tools used, I mean all tools used.
• Game required software's installed.

do that, and I will try to help you.

Kitty.

[hello987654321]

If you mean the GPU, it's an ASUS GTX 580 direct cu II:http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/xcgal/albums/userpics/10001/gpuz-580gtx-standard.gif

 

• OS: Window 7 Ultimate 64-bit.
• Game location: C:\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\
• system settings: What system settings are you referring to?
• tweaks of any kind in any thing: I have an SSD tweak guide already fully applied to my Samsung 500GB SSD: http://www.overclock.net/t/1133897/windows-7-ssd-tweaking-guide
• mods used: Only Fallout 3 stutter remover (and I installed the Unofficial fallout 3 patch). No DLC's installed.
• tests done "Un modded" <---Raw default game data / No mods.: Without the stutter remover I get the exact same stutters that I get with it in certain areas, but I get lagging and stuttering in certain other areas which with the stutter remover seem to have been fixed.
• tools used, I mean all tools used.: Just the FOMM.
• Game required software's installed.: Nothing. Why is there any?

 

[Purr4me]

ok.

• Game location: C:\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\<-- can be part of the problem but I have ran it there my self without issues. Try to reinstall into C:\Games\Bethesda\fallout3
• system settings: Due to the place you have the game installed, a step needs to be done, set system to not mess with it.
• Drive media makes no differences, I can have my game on a slow flash drive, it makes no differences, it all loads up into ram.
• Drop the cuda and run PhysX and see if it improves.
• remove GFWL data, for this system you need t odownload the latest andgreatest Microsoft 64bit version for your system,,,,,
• Game required software's installed.: Nothing. Why is there any? your missing 32bit data the system needs for games, YOU don't have.
• The game is a 32bit program in an environment Emulating 32bit without the needed software, MS takes care of that.
• after you get all that installed and a fresh reboot, Run the games for windows live remover tool, even if you don't have the dlc's, run that too so it registers it's not installed. Then use fomm's tool to install the fake live dll, should be 27kb, default is 21kb. you want 27 kb file size. your stutter is software watching other software, namely Anti-theft software you do not need on a 64bit operating system. No point for it. Plus, your most likely have securerom installed as well so that may play with the ssd drive? I don't know, sorry, it's not IDE or ata or sata, but legacy drives, floppy drives, it messes with and disable them. bad stuff DRM is.

ok, now, several people here can address how to tell the OS not to mess with your game, to give it Full authority to run without interferences.

Under system properties under advanced settings, where you make the ram adjustments, you need to tell "DEP not to mess with the game and set apply for it. you can't do that for fomm though, it's a root program so it can't be allowed to go uncontrolled. you'll find out soon enough.

 

all we need to do is establish where on your rig, the hangup is.

now there is one way to make sure you have the right chipset driver for that piece of hardware that Operating system requires, defaults are good but are only temps. windows update will place the right drivers for that system from massive research, a Billion dollar company can cover these small things better than us. Just only allow the hardware drivers it finds and says there is an update for that equipment. Don't use the factory card drivers until the system gets set and don't do this until you have the new software for the games installed.

 

windows is not a gaming system. it's an office program, you need to think like a gamer and use gamer stuff.

one last small detail and I just know I am gonna get hammered on this. All legacy games are and will ever be 32bit, were designed for a 32bit system and will never be made for anything but legacy equipment. NO DVD or CD will ever have a 64bit format ever. No dvd rom will either. now I said it. there it is.

 

the game also needs 32bit Java to run the correct scripting for it, the best source for 2009 is open office .org packages, it comes with the java language the game was written in (2009) Vintage, you can update that at any time but you need to know this stuff. The geck will not work right in a 64bit system with out the right software it was made with. you machine was just an idea when the game was built. so is the OS.

 

Kitty.