Broken Brynjolf and Delvin

Drazhar753 · August 31, 2014

Edit: SOLVED!

The cause

It's the Animations mod, the block activation toggle in the main menu of MCM causes it, turning it off and then turning it back on again fixed it, I then turned it back off as it's what causes the issue in the first place. And boom, done, went back to Delvin and Brynjolf and they were broken still until I toggled it off on off, again. Woo!

Thanks to ACAkutare for your assistance :smile:

Hey guys

So I've been trying to fix this for a while now, basically both Brynjolf and Delvin have become broken in my game, when trying to talk to them they just do not respond, no dialogue what-so-ever. This is problematic because I can't start the next thieves guild quest Loud and Clear, and console commands like setstage don't seem to work either. I have tried to spawn in new Delvins/Brynjolfs but the thing is, the quests related to them, the Goldenglow job and the TGRShell quests are bound to those original versions that are broken.

So far deactivating all mods hasn't fixed this issue. I do use Localized Guild Jobs, and Thieves Guild Requirements, but I don't believe either are at fault because I can start a new game and both Brynjolf and Delvin work fine there, as they did originally in this game. I'd really like a way to fix this. I am not willing to re-start my game to fix it however, as I've put a fair few hours into it and to be honest am getting to the stage where I just am going to ignore the thieves guild. But fixing it would be the best case scenario

Thanks

Edited September 4, 2014 by Drazhar753

ACAkutare · September 3, 2014

Do you have the unofficial Skyrim patch installed? A mod list might be helpful, as there are some other things that can cause issues. Also, have you uninstalled any mods in the middle of that save game?

If you post a LOOT list, enclose it in spoiler tags.

Drazhar753 · September 3, 2014

Do you have the unofficial Skyrim patch installed? A mod list might be helpful, as there are some other things that can cause issues. Also, have you uninstalled any mods in the middle of that save game?

If you post a LOOT list, enclose it in spoiler tags.

Hi, thanks for the reply I appreciate it.

Here is my load order from wrye Bash, I wasn't able to post a Loot List but I did run loot and had no errors, and only a few warnings of dirty edits which I cleaned in TESV5, though despite the cleaning Loot still reported the same edits... so, hmm.

As for uninstalled mods, no I haven't uninstalled any during play, well I did uninstall Thieves Guild Requirements, but that was after the issue arose as I thought it might've been the culprit, which it wasn't but it still was making things further complicated. Anyhow, it seems to be effecting more than just the thieves guild npcs, was doing the dawnguard questline and during Serana just stopped responding too, exactly as Brynjolf and Delvin, I had to reload a previous save to get by it, hasn't happened again to Serana, but did happen with Isran after returning from getting Sorine and Gunmar. As you can see I do have the unofficial patches installed, and have had them installed since the beginning.

Only could find one other case http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1665958-npc-bug/ but that wasn't resolved, however his issue is identical to mine. As he said it seems random, as reloading a save after encountering the bug fixes the npc past the state that the bug occurred on them. Which makes this frustrating because I can't replicate it and therefore can't keep disabling mods at the same point in time until it happens again in any reasonable manner. As he also said, disabling all mods doesn't help as it seems to be in the save game, but in new games it continues to occur randomly.

I also did notice this happening to random enemy npcs like bandits, every now and then I'd kill a bunch and one of them would be unlootable, just no interaction.

If you need more info, lemme know. Thanks :smile:

Edit: Bit more info, turns out I can't pick the effected npc's pockets either, or loot them when they're dead : /.

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.6]

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.6]

HearthFires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.6]

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.6]

Falskaar.esm

NewWorld.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

SPIKE.esm

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esm

HmmWhatToWear.esm

HmmWhatToWearDawnGuard.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

TERAArmors.esm

SkyrimSewers.esm [Version 4.11]

Remodeled Armor.esm

Earrings Set1.esm

daymoyl.esm

SeraphineHuntedArmor.esm

nightshade_armor.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

Pirsing.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

BloodWitchArmor.esm

Ezuka's Bracelets.esm

AzarHair.esm

Animations.esp

NoCombatMusic.esp

TERAArmors.esp

fox9 Armor.esp

LockDoorPerk.esp

draeath-NightingaleShadow-LesserPower.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

BFSEffects.esp

WyldMenuPlugFemale.esp

Blindfolds_of_Skyrim.esp

ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI Dawnguard&Dragonborn.esp

FixedEyeAdaption.esp

Lock Overhaul.esp

Locational Damage.esp

ReadingTakesTime.esp

ConvenientCrossbows.esp

Populated Cities 2.esp

Blackjack.esp

matedrestedwolf.esp

DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

Black Mage Armor.esp

Dual Wield Parrying_RandomAttacks_Dawnguard.esp

Ebony Craw Wizard Armor fixed.esp

ESFCompanions.esp [Version 0.1.1]

ImmersiveFP.esp

FNISspells.esp

RaceMenu.esp

Footprints.esp

Footprints - Ash.esp

MacKom_LoreStylesHairSet.esp

Elesium Boot Mod.esp

Elesium Armor Fix.esp

LaFemmeLycana.esp

ToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp [Version 1.5]

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

LovelyHairstylesCE.esp

serana stfu.esp

SkyUI.esp

Nouserhere Ears.esp

Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

No NPC Greetings.esp

Northgirl.esp

Proper Aiming.esp

DisableAutoAim.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

Realistic werewolf speed.esp

RunStaminaDrain.esp

NoKillmovesAgainstPlayerNPCsOnly - Dawnguard.esp

SeeYouSleepByMadmole.esp

Skyrim Scaling Stopper.esp

SkyRe_Main.esp

GauldurAmuletBoost.esp

RV markers.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp [Version v6.5.2]

AOS.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

Immersive Sounds - Footsteps.esp

NoSneakAttackSound.esp

DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp

CookingAlchemyMeltingTanning.esp

MageBooks.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp

secretofspellbreaker.esp

SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp

ReflectiveWard.esp

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp

Sate That Appetite - RND version.esp

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

calvins not so tough now mod.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

BarenziahQuestMarkers_Droppable.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-SkyRePatch.esp

DragonsEnhanced.esp

UNP Jewelry Variants V3.esp

Dread Huntress Armor.esp

HuntressAlt.esp

Sit Anywhere.esp

iHUD.esp

FalskaarDawnguard.esp

TavernClothes-MTM.esp

DragonbornArmorFix.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dawnguard.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

Height Adjusted Races.esp

ShenkThieveryOverhaul.esp

UnlimitedEnchantments.esp

Kill Every NPC.esp

passivedestructionfix.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp [Version v6.5.2]

SFO - Dragonborn.esp

SkyrimSewers.esp [Version 4.11]

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

Nightingale Hall.esp

Non-playable Armor.esp

Skytest Immersive Creatures.esp

Sneak Tweak.esp

SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrim.esp [Version 4.8]

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp

Tales_of_Lycanthropy.esp

VanguardArmor.esp

TelekinesisImproved-LessDMG.esp

Wandererarmor.esp

TeraHairWeightFix.esp

ThrowVoice_NoSubs.esp

ToL_MCM.esp

TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp

WATER DB Waves.esp

RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

Tougher Traps.esp

Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp

Inconsequential NPCs.esp

STL-ElderScrollonBack.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp

LocalizedGuildJobs.esp

TradeBarter.esp

Better Follower Improvements.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

buildablehouse.esp

Dwemer Goggles & Scouter.esp

ImmersiveArmorsNPCs.esp

throneroom.esp

WATER.esp

RND_Water-Patch.esp

wetandcold.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

WyldMenuPlugMale.esp

BosmerArmorMATY743.esp

Glass Variants.esp

UFO - Dragonborn AddOn - Unofficial.esp

UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dragonborn.esp

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp

Svs Collection Jewelry.esp

ZU_Refuse_Joining_The_Nightingales.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp

Chesko_Frostfall.esp

Populated Prisons.esp

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

SkyRe_Races.esp

Predator Vision.esp

RND_AnimalLoot.esp

Vampirelordroyal.esp

ArachnaphobiaExpansion.esp

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp

SkyRe_Survivalism.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

companionarissa.esp

WATER Plants.esp

FishingInSkyrim.esp

ScopedBows.esp

daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp

Sneak Tools.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

NightinagaleNoEarSlot.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

better_torches.esp

ForgottenMagic.esp

Elewin Jewelry.esp

Hunterborn.esp

Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp

Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp

Morrowloot.esp

Horses for followers.esp

SkyRe_Combat.esp

My Home Is Your Home.esp

Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp

Raven Witch Armor.esp

Fixed Vamp And Bandit Foreheads.esp

Insanity's Umbra Sword.esp [Version ison]

LustmordVampireArmor.esp

HuntressArmor.esp

NewJewelleryGems.esp

ScoutArmor.esp

UNP Jewelry.esp

WerewolfUpgrade.esp

WRF_by_RolandSir_TAWUTD_DG.esp

WRF_by_RolandSir_DG.esp

RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

WRF_by_RolandSir_UTD_DG.esp

WRF_by_RolandSir_Main_file_DG.esp

yourwalkspeed.esp

zz_GDRAHoods.esp

GDZZJJDH.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp [Version 2.1.6]

improvedsneakdetection.esp

TKRecoil.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

WestWindAssault.esp

DSpSoB.esp

JZBai_Hidespots.esp

UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp

RealisticRoomRental-Basic.esp

ReProccerNONPLAYERfix.esp

kuerteeGoldAjustment.esp

Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp

Scarcity - 10x Loot Rarity.esp

Scarcity - 10x Merchant Item Rarity.esp

Expensive Transports 20x.esp

SimpleTaxes.esp

HonedMetal.esp

Post Reproccer ScopedBows Patch.esp

ReProccer.esp

ReProccerDragonborn.esp

Skyrim Bandages 1.1 Mod.esp

mslVampiricThirst.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

PCEA DG n DB DLC for SkyRe_Races.esp

BretonElfEarRaceAddon.esp[xml]

Oh and here's the Story Manager Log, I don't understand it terribly well, but I see a lot of failures in there while I'm trying to interact with these npcs.

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] StoryManager log opened (PC)

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] Started processing event 0005F9BB: Actor Dialogue Event - Location: ,Actor 1: ,Actor 2:

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] -Node 'Actor Dialogue Event' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DialogueGenericScene04' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DialogueGenericSceneSpecial01' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DialogueGenericSceneDog01' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' failed conditions

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[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Node '' failed conditions

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[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' failed conditions

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[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene10' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene6' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene9' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene5' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene3' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene4' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene1' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene2' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene8' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ----Quest 'DLC1DialogueHunterBaseScene7' failed to fill aliases

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] --Node '' passed

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] ---Node '' failed conditions

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] Finished process event.

[09/04/2014 - 12:01:22AM] Started processing event 0005F9BC: Actor Dialogue Event - Location: ,Actor 1: ,Actor 2: