I have a problem. So far, on the nexus, nobody's a stranger to the infamous CTD. However, I've been very careful and I can safely say mine is likely not a load order issue. There's no CTD on startup, nor is there, according to Skyrim Performance Monitor, a 3.1gb limit breach. In fact, I never get over 1.78. But my issue is CTD upon opening inventory. I'm convinced it has something to do with loading cells, Climates of Tamriel, and SkyUI. What I don't know is if it's my system, a poor list of mods/mod order, something missing, or otherwise. I've verified the game integrity, cleaned the Masters, and then installed my mods one by one very carefully.
So here's the more specific description of the problem.
It happens when opening the Magic or Inventory Menu in certain areas. To name a few:
*On the way to Bleak Falls Barrow, halway up the mountain just before the Bandit Watchtower.
*The wheat fields outside Whiterun, approaching the Companions as they slay the Giant.
*Approaching Falkreath for the first time, depending on the time of day. It happens more often than not, though, and sometimes when inside the town near the cemetary or the gates.
*Occasionally in caves, but usually when discovering new locations.
*In Markarth, at random times, throughout the city.
Here's an example of the bug I get BEFORE the ctd happens, almost as a 'warning sign' :
Again, these issues are mostly exacerbated by opening up the inventory or magic menu. And I'm pretty sure I don't need to tell anyone how immersion-breaking "well just don't open up your inventory" would be as a default solution. Lol.
I'm sure there are more areas than that where there's the problem. But based on these locations, I'm of the opinion that these are loading zones where the game holds 2 or more different cells in memory. which can be taxing. But Skyrim Performance Monitor doesn't actually show that 3.1 gig limit ever getting hit. Or at least if it does, it spikes up faster than a record can be produced.
Performance Monitor has me at an average of between 619MB and 900MB of memory. VRAM ranges from 287mb to 1710mb. CPU% ranges from 5-40%. GPU% ranges from 47%-87%, even in windowed mode. It gets quite hot too, from 38-90 degrees Farhenheit. There's a lot of lag in certain areas, which drives me crazy. I've had 2 different GPU's, so I can't say one is inherently better than the other. Both have had 6gb of VRAM.
Currently, I'm running with 2 16gb RAM sticks, for a total of 32gb of RAM. PC is custom built. I have an NVIDIA GTX TITAN 6gb graphics card. Allegedly powerful. Noisy as hell though, and has no idea how to handle all of its own power lol.
Theoretically, my system exceeds the requirements to run all of the mods I'm using plus ENB, let alone without them. The crash happens either way though.
Has anyone ever heard of Climates of Tamriel being a problem with SkyUI? I've tested this very carefully by running the game without skse, and the issues never arose. I also used skse and uninstalled COT, and the problem was alleviated (but not totally removed. There was still lag, and an eventual CTD, just much later after a stress test in that area). I'm frustrated. There are plenty of people on the nexus, based on the endorsements that use both Climates of Tamriel and SkyUI, as well as the RealVision ENB mod to justify keeping it, and not abandoning it.
I've got about 143 plugins installed, ranging from a few lands like Faalskar and Moonpath, SkyRE, Climates of Tamriel, Ehnanced Lights and FX, the RealVision ENB files that enhance those, and various mid-res texture packs. By a lot of other people's standards, this list is fairly minimal as far as plugins go. My computer specs, at least in theory, should handle this times five. Skyrim can. Or can it? Here's my mod list and Load Order.
Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version.esm Active
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm Active
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active
USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp Active
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Active
IceBreaker's Improved Reverb-v0.02-Cleaned.esp Active
LIAT - Sounds.esp Active
PersonalizedMusic - NoVanillaMusic_v5.0.esp Active
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp Active
LIAT - NPCs.esp Active
More Salt Please.esp Active
Footprints - Ash.esp Active
Customizable Camera.esp Active
7B Leather Clothes.esp Active
7B-Sexy Tsun Armor.esp Active
Ancient Skyforge Armor.esp Active
BFPU Orcish Armor.esp Active
The Unclaimed Delivery.esp Active
UNPB Barbarian Armor.esp Active
Veteran Nord Plate.esp Active
Beautiful Whiterun.esp Active
Gildergreen Regrown.esp Active
Immersive Solstheim.esp Active
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active
SkyFalls Plus SkyMills - All DLC and Falskaar.esp Active
Convenient Horses.esp Active
ETaC - Darkwater Crossing.esp Active
ETaC - Dawnstar.esp Active
ETaC - Dawnstar HF Patch.esp Active
ETaC - Dragon Bridge.esp Active
ETaC - Rorikstead.esp Active
ELFX - Exteriors.esp Active
ELFX - Moonpath.esp Active
ELFX - Dawnguard.esp Active
ELFX - Dragonborn.esp Active
Locational Damage.esp Active
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp Active
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Active
Sit Anywhere.esp Active
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active
TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp Active
WATER Plants.esp Active
WATER DG.esp Active
WATER DB Waves.esp Active
WATER Falskaar.esp Active
Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active
Honest Question: Do you guys think it's my computer specs, system settings, or conflicting mods that are causing the problem? There are some mods I can live without. But the ENB I love so much (which by itself works fine and causes no bugs or CTD) depends on enb 2013_12_06 19_59_49_97.jpg 233.79KB 10 downloads enb 2013_12_06 19_59_49_97.jpg 233.79KB 10 downloads
COT and Enhanced Lights and FX to function. And other people seem to have no problems when these are the mods they're using concurrently, separately, or otherwise.
Please help, and thanks again guys!