newhampshirean Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 So, as the title implies, I've been plagued with the strangest bug I've ever seen. Enemy NPCs/creatures are being placed dynamically into my inventory. Here are the specifics of the actual event:There is no consistent impetus. It can happen while looting a chest or body. It seems to happen more often in combat. Most often it seems to happen completely randomly.The object placed in my inventory is an actual NPC, not a token or similar; it isn't an object at all, but a line with the name of an NPC and their weight (which is usually 50 or 100).So far, these have only been NPCs from leveled lists (Bandit, Outlaw, Dwarven Centurion, Frost Troll, Hagraven, etc.).This object counts towards my weight total. This makes it easy to detect when it happens if it overencumbers me.There is no message associated with this occurrence, a la harvesting or picking up an item from the world.If I "drop" the object, it may or may not be removed, and upon closing the inventory menu, that NPC will spawn "placeatme"-style.The NPC can NOT be removed via the console because NPC Editor IDs are not valid targets for the relevant inventory commands (removeallitems and showinventory also do nothing). But, most importantly: if I hover over the object in the inventory screen, or drop the object (and it tries to come back), the game instantly crashes to desktop. This may have something to do with the game attempting to retrieve and display a model in the inventory menu, but I can only speculate at this point. Before I go any further, here are the results of my troubleshooting:There are two iterations: (1) the object appears in my inventory and stays there until it causes a CTD, or (2) an object is at once placed into and removed from my inventory.The second iteration does not seem to cause crashes, but it happens repeatedly (every few seconds) until I exit Skyrim, spamming "You are carrying to much to run". :down:If I notice an object in my inventory (the first case above), I can save the game and reload or "player.kill" and the object will be gone. For now...Given its nature, I assume it has to be script-based. But throughout all the savegames I've inspected, I have yet to find a common script running near crash time.Nor have I ever had an instance of unattached/orphaned scripts in my current playthrough (nor should I have any reason to).Since I cannot consistently reproduce it, and because I have not updated or removed any scripts since I began playing, I have not bothered to test a completely new character.Luckily, it is not ever-present. How often it shows up seems to be random (some days I never run into it).Has anyone ever encountered this before!? :confused: Searches on these forums, my mods' pages, and Google don't yield anything. I want to blame ASIS, because, as much as I find it essential, it usually is to blame. But I've been using ASIS for a loooong time and have never encountered this before. And even though I'm on a fresh install, this is the same version number of ASIS I'd been using previously. In fact, most of my install is identical (with nothing new that I would suspect is related to this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted6773806User Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I'm experiencing the exact same issue here, but I don't have ASIS. I'm getting "Jarl's Bodyguard" and "Vampire's Thrall" randomly spawning in my inventory, and I don't know what mod could be causing it. Load order: Skyrim.esm=1Update.esm=1Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1Dawnguard.esm=1Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1HearthFires.esm=1Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1Dragonborn.esm=1Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm=1XFLMain.esm=1RSkyrimChildren.esm=1HighResTexturePack01.esp=1HighResTexturePack02.esp=1HighResTexturePack03.esp=1Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=1Extended UI.esp=1BHWarPaints.esp=1Balanced_Magic_Dawnguard.esp=1sec_friendsforever.esp=1Differently Ebony.esp=1JaxonzLightsPlease.esp=1RaceMenu.esp=1Convenient Horses - Faster Sprint.esp=1Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1Better Summoning Visuals - TheGreyLight.esp=1AHZmoreHUD.esp=1Better Dynamic Snow.esp=1Smoking Torches.esp=1Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp=1Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp=1p3dr0-wpn.esp=1Convenient Horses.esp=1Headtracking.esp=1Spells Cast Light.esp=1Beards.esp=1dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp=1dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp=1DeadlyDragons.esp=1dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp=1Mark Books as Read.esp=1LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp=1A Tragedy In Black - Enchanting Remastered - TheGreyLight.esp=1DeadlySpellImpacts.esp=1Disenchanting.esp=1Dual Flurry for all.esp=1Overpower.esp=1Realistic crime report radius.esp=1EnchantedArsenal.esp=1HitStop.esp=1FISS.esp=1HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp=1JZBai_PracticalFemaleArmors.esp=1iHUD.esp=1Immersive detection of NPC.esp=1Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp=1immersive roads.esp=1fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp=1Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp=1ImprovedMageLight.esp=1ProperPotionNames.esp=1LeftHandRings.esp=1BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp=1AutoHarvest2.esp=1vwrSprintJump.esp=1wintermyst - enchantments of skyrim.esp=1AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp=1Notification Overhaul.esp=1changed syntaxes.esp=1dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp=1OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp=1BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp=1RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp=1TrueBrows.esp=1RSChildren - Complete.esp=1RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp=1SkyUI.esp=1Customizable Camera.esp=1Dual Sheath Redux.esp=1Headtrack Crosshair.esp=1LessIntrusiveHUD.esp=1SpellChargingFramework.esp=1SwiftPotion.esp=1The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1towConversation.esp=1TradeBarter.esp=1TrueEyes.esp=1TwoHandedUnlock.esp=1UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1HoodsAndCirclets.esp=1Brawl Bugs CE.esp=13DNPC.esp=1RealisticWaterTwo.esp=1FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp=1DragonShoutVoice.esp=1hornsareforever.esp=1No_stretching.esp=1Unique Uniques.esp=1UnreadBooksGlow.esp=1walk.esp=1Weightless Items - Mongoose Mix.esp=1BetterQuestObjectives.esp=1aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1skyforgedWeapons.esp=1BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp=1Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp=1Better Followers - SP.esp=1moveitLWT.esp=1Convenient Bridges.esp=1Inconsequential NPCs.esp=1RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp=1Run For Your Lives.esp=1Cloaks.esp=1Point The Way.esp=1Long lost smelters by Hyralux.esp=1SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1Ars Metallica - Legendary Edition.esp=1Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp=1Atlas Legendary.esp=1Immersive Followers.esp=1SummonFollowers.esp=1Signs_of_Skyrim.esp=1Long Lost Chopping Blocks.esp=1RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp=1LostLongSwords.esp=1Dead Body Collision.esp=1Balanced_Magic.esp=1_tck_SpellCrafting.esp=1PrayAtShrines.esp=1ExpandedCarriageService.esp=1Gildergreen Regrown.esp=1Glowtastic.esp=1My Home Is Your Home.esp=1MoreNPCs.esp=1UniqueNPCsProtected.esp=1WetandCold.esp=1WetandCold - Ashes.esp=1When Vampires Attack.esp=1XFLDialogue.esp=1XFLPlugins.esp=1Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp=1Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhampshirean Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 I still haven't been able to determine the cause. Terminating scripts and clean saving does not completely remove the issue. Luckily the game is still playable, and it does not seem to be exacerbated by a larger save file. However, when it does appear, it seems to still around for a while like a cold, and it can be pretty disruptive to have to continuously reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhampshirean Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 @CompliantCriminalScum I'm glad that you aren't using ASIS so that I can eliminate that as a possibility (maybe), because I was pretty sure it wasn't an issue, having used it ad infinitum. As far as your load order: I have quite a bit of overlap with you, however in general, our installs are vastly different from one another. One thing that made me curious, however, was that we both use Swift Potion...I don't know why, but I keep having this feeling that that mod is somehow involved. I haven't bothered posting on that mod page because on the surface I can't find any reason why it would be doing something so weird, and my limited scripting knowledge makes it impossible to investigate further. Are you using the most recent version of Swift Potion with the JContainers requirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhampshirean Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Although I didn't approach it very scientifically since my intention was not primarily to troubleshoot, I just started a new game sans Enhanced Blood Textures and Swift Potion Reborn (the only changes). I have yet to encounter this bug so far. Certainly not a definitive "case closed", but it's possible the scripts in either of those mods may have played a role. As to whether or not is was a freak script error that attached itself to my save early on, or some wierd interaction with scripts from other mods, or something entirely different, I have no way of knowing. But if anyone else encounters this and they are using one or both of these mods, try testing without them. [NOTE: Even after using the MCM uninstall options and scrubbing clean with a script tool, I couldn't make my existing save stable after removing these mods. Although that may be because of how old/large it was at that point.] Edited February 2, 2015 by newhampshirean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxman1 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 hi , i have the same problem...here is my load order if it helps Update.esmUnofficial Skyrim Patch.espDawnguard.esmUnofficial Dawnguard Patch.espHearthFires.esmUnofficial Hearthfire Patch.espDragonborn.esmUnofficial Dragonborn Patch.espFalskaar.esmWyrmstooth.espEFFCore.esmClimatesOfTamriel.esmHighResTexturePack01.espHighResTexturePack02.espHighResTexturePack03.espUnofficial High Resolution Patch.espCutting Room Floor.espClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.espAuto Unequip Ammo.espImproved Dragon Shouts.espdD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.espLeftHandRings - Dawnguard.espChesko_WearableLantern.espBrawl Bugs CE.espBetter Dynamic Snow.espAtlas Compass Tweaks.espClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.espCoT-WeatherPatch_DB.espImproved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.espConvenient Horses.espUIExtensions.espPredator Vision.espBarenziahQuestMarkers.espSkyUI.espSaveHotKeyMCM.espAchieveThat.espCoT-WeatherPatch.espCoT-WeatherPatch_NL2.espCoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.espDeadlyMonsters.espSwiftPotion.espDartTrap harder.espEFFDialogue.espDeadlyDragons.esp360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.espDual Wield Parrying_SKSE.espEnhancedLightsandFX.espELFX - Exteriors.espELFX - Dragonborn.espELFX - Dawnguard.espFootprints.espFootprints - Ash.espKillingTraps.espHothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.espImproved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.espLeftHandRings.espSabreFurBag.espViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.espKillingTraps_FirePlates.espPumpingIron.espPurewaters.espPurewaters-Falskaar.espSkyCompleteLegendary.espClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.espSplashofRain.espWeapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.espAOS.espdD - Enhanced Blood Main.espAOS2_CoT3_1_patch.espAOS2_EBT Patch.espClothing & Clutter Fixes.espComplete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures.espELFXEnhancer.espHelgen Reborn.espSkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.espBreezehome_Fully_Upgradable.espCloaks - Player Only - Dawnguard.espELFX_2_0_BFU_Patch.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.espSkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.espdD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.espCCO_SIC_Patch.espRebirth Monster.espRebirth Monster - SIC Patch.espUltimateCombat.espCombat Evolved.espImmersive Weapons.espWeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espaMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.espCloaks - Player Only.espCOMBINED WEAPONS.espSmithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.espSMIM OPTIONALS MERGED.espAtlas Legendary.espSkyrim Flora Overhaul.espisilNarsil.espThe Paarthurnax Dilemma.espiNeed.espiNeed - Dangerous Diseases.espEmpoweredMagic.espUniqueWeaponsRedone.espUnique Uniques.espAOS2_WAF Patch.espEmpoweredMagic_Dawnguard.espAcquisitive Soul Gems.espEmpoweredMagic_Dragonborn.espWeaponsArmorFixes_ambSkyforge_Patch.espWerewolf Loot- Dawnguard version.espWetandCold.espAOS2_WetandCold Patch.espWetandCold - Ashes.espTES5Merged.espBashed Patch, 0.esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhampshirean Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 @oxman1 Since my last post (in my new game), I have never run into this problem. But, like I said, I was unable to completely identify the cause. I could also not reliably reproduce it for testing when I did have it--not that that would have helped much considering how scripts work in saves. If you have no problem starting a new game, or better yet, can reliably reproduce the bug yourself, try testing a fresh game minus Enhanced Blood Textures and/or Swift Potion Reborn. These (along with Forgotten Magic Reborn and Burn Freeze Shock Effects, which you don't have) are the only mods I removed when I started my new game. And, like I said, even though that would seem to have solved my problem, I have not bothered those mod authors about this as it was too difficult to test/confirm. For all I know, it could be a one-in-a-million vanilla scripting error. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxman1 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 most likely it's swift potion reborn,i disabled the mod in mcm menu and i have never encounter the bug again. then i uninstalled the mod cleaned my save file and i think is all good now. i also posted on the swift potion page but no answer yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudou Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I've been using Enhanced Blood Textures for a long time and never came across this issue, so I don't think that mod would be the problem. I have no idea about Swift Potion, as I do not use that mod. Do you have any auto looting mod such as Auto Harvest? It might be conflicting with Swift Potion. I use Auto Harvest, but not Swift Potion. Auto Harvest itself hasn't caused this issue for me, but maybe it's conflicting with Swift Potion. That's if Swift Potion is the culprit. I looked at the Swift Potion mod and don't see how it would be looting NPC's. But maybe an auto looting mod is trying to use potions off a dead body from Swift Potion and is looting the body instead. Who knows. Just a thought because I saw that ComplaintCriminalScum has Auto Harvest. I'm only going off that though because you haven't posted your load order and I don't know what mods you use. If you're mostly using Swift Potion for healing during combat, you can try using the mod Smart Cast as an alternative. Though, it's for magic so you'll have to pick up some healing spells. I don't know what to do about Stamina and food. I don't use any mod that auto drink or eat any potions or food. I just use Smart Cast for all my magic buffs to auto cast at the beginning of fights so I don't have to toggle through my 'favourites' and do so myself. I looked at Swift Potion in TES5Edit and it only adds a couple of things. It's not over-writing nor changing anything to the vanilla content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhampshirean Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Well, like I said, the problem disappeared when I stopped using those mods. I wasn't trying to troubleshoot it at the time (nobody responded to this thread for a while, and I never saw a similar issue elsewhere). I just happened to be starting a new game, so I culled some mods from my load order that I knew historically had been problematic. My game wasn't in shambles at that point or anything, but I had been experiencing crashing in combat and exteriors more frequently than I was used to. I was mainly just trying to reduce running scripts to simplify future troubleshooting. So when the NPC/inventory problem didn't occur in this new game, I was glad, but I didn't have a concrete answer. And since I don't have a lot of time anymore to dedicate to testing (as well as having a limited know-how when it comes to scripting), I never went back to get that concrete answer. However, it looks like oxman1's experience seems to corroborate my own. I never truly suspected Enhanced Blood Textures to be the issue, myself, despite it having it's own issues for some. And I'm aware that Swift Potion doesn't have overwrites; if Swift Potion is the culprit, it would be all in the scripting. It's par for the course when it comes to weird issues like this. My only theory (which doesn't mean much) is that it may have something to do with the JContainers SKSE plugin, as that dependency is the major difference in the new version of Swift Potion Reborn and I first encountered this after upgrading. (Yes, with a new save). Either way, since I didn't do the necessary follow-up at the time, I didn't go out and point the finger at Swift Potion. Like I've said before: for all I know, it could be some strange, freak, unreproducible scripting problem. It could be an issue only possible when certain mods interact. Who knows? Papyrus logs never helped. This is my load order. But since I don't have the problem with this LO, it's not really worth anything now. Skyrim.esmUpdate.esmUnofficial Skyrim Patch.espDawnguard.esmUnofficial Dawnguard Patch.espHearthFires.esmUnofficial Hearthfire Patch.espDragonborn.esmUnofficial Dragonborn Patch.espSkyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esmClimatesOfTamriel.esmLanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esmHighResTexturePack01.espHighResTexturePack02.espHighResTexturePack03.espCutting Room Floor.espFISS.esp83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.espGuard Dialogue Overhaul.espWeapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.espWeapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.espADS.espAmazingFollowerTweaks.espAFT_ManagedFollowerBoost.espAFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.espBetter Stealth AI for Followers.espClothing & Clutter Fixes.espaMidianBorn_ContentAddon.espComplete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.espSimple Magic Rebalance.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures.espSkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.espBring Out Your Dead.espDistant DetailHF.espSkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.espRealisticNeedsandDiseases.espSDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.espPoint The Way.espFarmhouseChimneys.espFarmhouseChimneysCRF.espRealisticWaterTwo.espAOS.espClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.espAOS2_CoT3_1_patch.espDeadlySpellImpacts.espDeadlyCombat.espImmersive Weapons.espCombat Evolved - Core.espBlockSparkles.espTraps Are Dangerous.espAppropriately Attired Jarls Redux.espAuto Unequip Ammo.espBeards.espDFB - Random Encounters.espWeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espBFT Ships and Carriages.espBrows.espCCO_SIC_Patch.espHigh Level Enemies.espCCO_WAFTrueWeapons_Patch.espChesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.espChesko_WearableLantern.espClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.espCombat Evolved - Enemy Poison.espConvenient Horses.espCoT-WeatherPatch.espSupreme Storms - Cot Version.espCoT-WeatherPatch_DB.espExpandedSnowSystems-CoT.espCoT-WeatherPatch_ESS.espCoT-WeatherPatch_NL3.espCoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-10.espCoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.espdD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.espDead Body Collision.espBellyachesNewDragonSpecies_FactionlessDragons.espDeadlyDragons.espDisease Descriptions_RND Compatibile.espDragon Combat Overhaul.espDragon Soul Relinquishment.espDragonShoutVoice.espDual Wield Parrying_SKSE.espElemental Staves.espEnchantedArsenal.espParalyze.espImproved Combat Sounds v2.2.espESS Patch for CoT DG Patch.espExplosiveBoltsVisualized.espGQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.espHarvestOverhaul.espHigh Level Enemies - Dawnguard.espHigh Level Enemies - Dragonborn.espSkyTEST-RealisticAnimalBehavior.espIHSS.espiHUD.espRealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.espRun For Your Lives.espSkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.espSDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.espSFO - Dragonborn.espImmersive Patrols II.espChesko_Frostfall.espStealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.espCCO_Frostfall_Patch.esp1nivWICCloaks.espMorning Fogs.espSkyrim Flora Overhaul.espUnique Grasses.espSkyUI.espHunterborn.espPilgrimsDelight.espThe Paarthurnax Dilemma.espGildergreen Regrown.espSDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.espHunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.espHunterborn_RND-Patch.espHunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.espimp_helm_legend.espInvisibility Eyes Fix.espLanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-3.espLock Overhaul.espMagicArmorVisuals.espmintylightningmod.espMintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.espMoonGlow.espMoss Rocks.espMoss Rocks_DB.espmoveitLWT.espNonEssentialChildren.espORM-Arvak.espPoison Skills Enhanced - high.espEnhancedCharacterEdit.espCharacterMakingExtender.espRaceMenu.espRaceMenuPlugin.espRainbows.esprandomthunder.espRealisticRoomRental-Basic.espShootingStars.espSmelter_Riften & Solitude.espSmithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.espSoul Gems Differ.espSPTConsistentOlderPeople.espThieves Guild Requirements.espTradeBarter.espSerana.espvAutosaveManager.espWatercolor_for_ENB_RWT_RND.espWhen Vampires Attack.espApocalypse - The Spell Package.espBijin Warmaidens.espBORGAKH1a.espFCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.espSkyCompleteLegendary.espSTEP Combined PluginHF.espAlternate Start - Live Another Life.espFarmhouseChimneysLAL.espEnhancedLightsandFX.espELFX - Exteriors.espELFX - Dawnguard.espELFX - Dragonborn.espELFXEnhancer.espTES5Edit Merged Patch.espBashed Patch, 0.espASIS-Dependency.espASIS.esp Edited March 14, 2015 by newhampshirean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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