CaarosKingOfChaos Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Nirn currently open for another Daedric invasion? The barrier preventing daedra from freely entering Tamriel is not up, and hasn't been for a good 200 years. I have a few reasons for thinking this.When Martin Septim died, the line of dragonborn emperors died with him, meaning that no mortal can light the Dragonfires. Since the dragonborn in Skyrim is the last dragonborn, they can not continue this line of dragonborn emperors.The Amulet of kings was destroyed when Martin sacrificed himself, so even if the Last Dragonborn was in fact not the last, no one can bear the amulet and properly light the Dragonfires.When Akatosh was summoned at the end of the Oblivion Crisis, he merely denied Mehrunez Dagon from ever entering Nirn again, so none of the other princes were affected.During the events of the Fourth Era, several Daedric Lords have actually manifested on Nirn. Sanguine, Nocturnal, and Hermaeus Mora are among them. Previously, the dragonfires prevented them from doing this.Judging by all of this, the daedra have free reign to do whatever they want on Nirn. The only problem with this theory is that if the barrier is down, how come none of the lords have attempted to invade yet? I know that most of them have no real reasons to invade, but there are a couple. Jyggalag (Who is still a powerful daedric lord) could invade in an attempt to bring order to a now chaotic Tamriel, and Molag Bal is likely to attempt another invasion at some point.So, what do the people of the Nexus think about this? Is Nirn likely to be invaded again? Could this be the setup for major events later in the series? Edited August 9, 2015 by CaarosKingOfChaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 The Dragonfire was only one of several barriers, and not even the primary one. Even then, it's never actually prevented the Daedra from manifesting, only passing into Mundus COMPLETELY. Even with the barrier, Sanguine, Hercine and Azura had no problem manifesting, and all 16 Princes were able to manifest when summoned. It didn't even stop Vivec from bring Azura wholly through the barrier, and proceeding to skull f*#@ her. All without using CHIM. Even then, losing Martin didn't destroy the barrier, it cemented it. Martin's sacrifice allowed him, and all the Dragonborn souls within the Amulet, to become one with Akatosh, rewriting the Covenant. The barrier is now permanent, and no longer requires the maintenance of a Dragonborn ruler. The Princes can no longer cross wholly into Mundus, nor can they establish self sustaining portals which allow free access to and from Oblivion. Even the Ebonmere simply allows for an ambient flow of intangible power, not the transport of Daedric Spirits through the barriers of Mundus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaarosKingOfChaos Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Interesting. . . So you are saying a daedric invasion is no longer possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Well, they weren't supposed to be possible in the first place. So there's always some kind of loophole that can be exploited, under the right circumstances. Sul indicated that the cementing of the barrier changed the rules, and made transport more difficult, but he predicted things would get back to normal eventually. Umbriel also indicated that the Towers could be used to punch through the barriers (which was how he planned to bring Umbriel entirely into Mundus, and escape Clavicus Vile). But, as it stands, no ones figured out how. A handful of Daedra can get forced through, but it seems to require considerable effort on the part of their patron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaarosKingOfChaos Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Okay then. Now I can feel safe knowing the daedra won't be destroying Nirn anytime soon. The Thalmor however, that we still need to worry about . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Nah, the Thalmor don't want to DESTROY Nirn. They want to prevent it from being made in the first place. Can't destroy something that never existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaarosKingOfChaos Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 What. I would say that does not make any sense, but then I realized this is the Elder Scrolls we are talking about. Not much makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmera Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Nah, the Thalmor don't want to DESTROY Nirn. They want to prevent it from being made in the first place. Can't destroy something that never existed. In subjective time that is still destroying. It exists now. If they succeed it will not exist now (even if it will also never have existed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Bah, semantics. If they succeed, there will be no 'Now'. Nor will there be a past or future, no life or death. Just eternity. That it's eternal stagnancy and Lorkhan is, in fact, right in subject in subjecting the Aubris to suffering and death is beside the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmera Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Bah, semantics. If they succeed, there will be no 'Now'. Nor will there be a past or future, no life or death. Just eternity. That it's eternal stagnancy and Lorkhan is, in fact, right in subject in subjecting the Aubris to suffering and death is beside the point. Semantics is my point. They are using semantics to rationalize their actions. It is like saying genocide is ok as long as it is done humanely. No, it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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