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Hi Guys.


I've decided to start the game again with a brand new clean install, and I've taken what I've learnt from my past modding mistakes to build a pretty heavily modded, but stable game......


And it wont start LMFAO!!!! Clearly I've not learnt enough.


I've installed what mods I want.

Updated, and patched what needs patching.

Sorted via LOOT.

Cleaned via TS5Edit

and finally built a bash patch.


I'm totally baffled where I've gone wrong. The game wont even start, let alone CTD. 


My mod list is this :-


1 *DLC: Dawnguard
2 *DLC: HearthFires
3 *DLC: Dragonborn
4 +Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch
5 +SKSE64
6 +PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions
7 +Unlimited Bookshelves
8 +AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer
10 +UI Extensions
11 +SkyUI SE - Flashing Savegames Fix
12 +A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget
13 +moreHUD Inventory Edition
14 +Skyrim 2017 Textures
15 +RUSTIC MOUNTAINS - Special Edition
16 +A Quality World Map
17 +Enhanced Blood Textures
18 +Cutting Room Floor
19 +Better City Entrances
20 +Thunderchild - Epic Shouts and Immersion
21 +Blowing in the Wind
22 +Better Docks
23 +JK's Skyrim
24 +T'Skyrim - Whiterun (Addon to JK's Skyrim)
25 +T'Skyrim - Riverwood (Addon for JK's Skyrim)
26 +JK Whiterun Outskirts
27 +Whiterun Forest Borealis
28 +Skyrim Sewers
29 +Climates Of Tamriel-SE
30 +True Storms Special Edition - Thunder Rain and Weather Redone
31 +ETHEREAL CLOUDS - Special Edition
32 +Footprints
33 +Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim
34 +Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim
35 +Amazing Follower Tweaks SE
36 +The Paarthurnax Dilemma
37 +Even Better Quest Objectives
38 +Realistic Water Two
39 +Skyrim Flora Overhaul SE
40 +Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin
41 +Realistic Aspen Trees SE
42 +Simply Bigger Trees SE
43 +Immersive Fallen Trees SSE
44 +HD Photorealistic Ivy
45 +ETD - Every Tree Different
46 +RaceMenu
47 +ApachiiSkyHair
48 +Bijin Warmaidens
49 +Diversity - An NPC Overhaul
50 +Enhanced Lights and FX
51 +Lanterns of Skyrim SE
52 +Wearable Lanterns
53 +Lantern Caretakers SE
54 +CLARALUX SSE - Controllable Lights Everywhere
56 +SkyTEST - Realistic Animals and Predators
57 +Zim's Immersive Artifacts V1.4
58 +Immersive Roads
59 +Bridges HD
60 +Ruins Clutter Improved
62 +RUSTIC ATRONACHS - Special Edition
64 +RUSTIC AZURA'S STAR - Special Edition
65 +RUSTIC FORSWORN - Special Edition
66 +RUSTIC SPRIGGAN - Special Edition
67 +RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition
68 +RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Special Edition
69 +RUSTIC COOKING - Special Edition
71 +RUSTIC DEATH HOUND and GARGOYLE - Special Edition
72 +RUSTIC ELDERSCROLL - Special Edition
73 +RUSTIC WINDOWS - Special Edition
74 +RUSTIC DRAGON CORPSE - Special Edition
76 +Frankly HD Miraak [SSE]
77 +Frankly HD Dawnguard Armor and Weapons
78 +Frankly HD Shrouded Armor
79 +Frankly HD Nightingale Armor and Weapons [SSE]
80 +Frankly HD Imperial Armor and Weapons
81 +Frankly HD Thieves Guild Armors
82 +Solstheim Landscape Overhaul HD
83 +Quaint Raven Rock - SE
84 +Better Dynamic Ash SE
85 +Ashbound -- Solstheim Enhanced
86 +LH's Cow Retexture HD 4K
87 +Detailed Chests Texture Replacers SE
88 +Improved Shadowmarks
89 +Skeleton.and.Human.Bones.by.Kajuan
90 +Castle Volkihar HD 2k
91 +Animal Bones
92 +Brewinggiantcask 4k
93 +Awesome HD Barrels
94 +Beautiful Boats of Skyrim
95 +Rudy HQ - Nordic Ruins SE
96 +Skyrim 3D High Hrothgar Steps
97 +JS Dragon Claws SE
98 +Mammoth.by.Kajuan
99 +Dragon.Priest.by.Kajuan
100 +Wispmother.by.Kajuan
101 +Draugr.by.Kajuan
102 +Troll.by.Kajuan
103 +Hagraven.by.Kajuan
104 +Falmer.by.Kajuan
105 +SABRECAT.by.Kajuan
106 +Giant.by.Kajuan
107 +Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack (SE)
108 +Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack
109 +Ashes and Flames - Spawn and Guardian Retex SE
110 +Masculine Argonian Textures for Vanilla (Chameleon and Lizard)
111 +Masculine Khajiit Textures (Grey Cat and Leopard)
112 +Feminine Argonian Textures (Chameleon and Lizard) [Vanilla]
113 +Feminine Khajiit Textures (Grey Cat and Leopard) [Vanilla]
114 +No snow under the roof
115 +Better Dynamic Snow
116 +Total Character Makeover
117 +Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion
118 +Diverse Dragons Collection SE (DDCse)
119 +Player Home - Sjel Blad Castle
120 +Player Home - Craftable Dragonborn Riverwood Home
121 +Player Home - Castle Strunmah Tweaked SE
122 +Player Home - Dovahkiin Hideout
123 +Player Home - Dovahkiin Retreat
124 +Nord Battlemage Armor
125 +Artifacts - The Ice Blade of the Monarch [SSE]
126 +Artifacts - The Tournament of the Ten Bloods [SSE]
127 +Artifacts - The Breton Paladin [SSE]
128 +DCR - King Crusader Mega Pack
129 +Scout Armor SE
130 +Daedra and Witch Hunter Mod
131 +Immersive Armors
132 +Ebony Armor Reshape
133 +Warmonger Armory SSE
134 +The Joy of Perspective
135 +Volkihar Knight - Vampire Armor
136 +Talos Housecarl Armor Pack
137 +Nether Mage Armor SSE
138 +Hunting Grounds Outfit
139 +Heretic Armor
140 +Gothic Plate Armor
141 +ClipsyMoon Weaponry
142 +See Enchantments SE
143 +More Weapons Please SE
144 +Draugr Weaponry SE
145 +Dragonbone Mastery - Weapons Retexture
146 +Legendary Skyrim Crossbows SSE
147 +Campfire - Complete Camping System
148 +Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival
149 +Campfire and Frostfall - Unofficial SSE Update
150 +Tentapalooza for Campfire
151 +Wet and Cold
152 +Dandelions - Realistic Dandelion Seeds
153 +Book Covers Skyrim
154 +Dynamic fires
155 +Ultimate HD Fire Effects SSE
156 +Embers HD
157 +Nordic Ruins of Skyrim SSE
158 +Disenchant Everything
159 +Giant Creature_SSE_2.0
160 +Immersive Bleak Falls Barrow Exterior SE
161 +Improved Sparks
162 +Dread Prison 4.2
163 +Project AHO
164 +Watchtowers Of Skyrim
165 +Crime Overhaul SSE
166 +Extra Dimensional Storage
167 +Faster Casting
168 +Unlimited Training
169 +Level Booster
170 +Immersive Dragons
171 +Cloaks of Skyrim SSE
172 +Winter Is Coming SSE - Cloaks
173 +Consistent Older People
174 +Immersive College of Winterhold
175 +Opulent Outfits - Mage Robes of Winterhold 2018-SSE
176 +Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition
177 +Skyrim Immersive Creatures - Official Patch and Patch Central
178 +Convenient Horses
179 +Hashire - A Truly Unique Horse
180 +YOT - Your Own Thoughts SE
181 +Hold Border Banners
182 +The Ruins
183 +Mythical Tundra - Stonehenge and Hilltops
184 +HD Serpentine Dragon and Mesh Fix SE
185 +Unlimited Amulets and Rings
186 +Immersive World Encounters SE
187 +Simple Auto Save Manager
188 +Frozen Electrocuted Combustion
189 +Apophysis Dragon Priest Masks SE
190 +Shuffler90's Glowing eyes remover
191 +Skyrim Battle Aftermath SE
192 +Point The Way
193 +True BatForm
194 +Hunterborn
195 +Jaxonz Positioner
196 +VioLens - A Killmove Mod SE
197 +Alternate Start - Live Another Life
198 +Static Mesh Improvement Mod
199 +Audio Overhaul for Skyrim 2
200 +Bash Patch
My Plug-in Load Order is this (This is the order sorted by LOOT): -
*Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
*Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
*Extra Dimensional Storage.esl
*Joy of Perspective.esp
*Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
*Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
*Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
*dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
*ELFX - Exteriors.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - CoT Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Reduced Reverb.esp
YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
*Book Covers Skyrim.esp
*Whiterun Forest Borealis.esp
*Cutting Room Floor.esp
*JKs Skyrim.esp
*immersive roads.esp
*Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - True Storms Patch.esp
*Diversity - An NPC Overhaul.esp
*Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp
*Blowing in the Wind - Lanterns of Skyrim Patch SSE.esp
*T'Skyrim Whiterun.esp
*Castle Strunmah.esp
*T'Skyrim Riverwood.esp
*Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
*Audio Overhaul Skyrim - SkyTEST Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Thunderchild Patch.esp
*Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
*Blowing in the Wind - ELFX Exteriors Patch SSE.esp
*Sjel Blad Castle_SE.esp
*ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp
*The Ruins.esp
*OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE AIO.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Zim's Immersive Artifacts Patch.esp
JoP - Immersive Armors Patch.esp
*Unlimited Training.esp
*Level Booster.esp
*Crime Overhaul.esp
*ClipsyMoon Weaponry.esp
*Point The Way.esp
*Immersive Encounters.esp
*Undriel_QuaintRavenRock Ashbound.esp
*Blowing in the Wind - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
*JKs Whiterun.esp
*High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition.esp
*Nordic Ruins of Skyrim.esp
*Improved Shadowmarks.esp
*Watchtowers of Skyrim.esp
*True Bat Form Remade.esp
*Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
*JKs Skyrim_Better Docks_Patch.esp
*Better City Entrances - All in one - SSE.esp
*Convenient Horses.esp
*manny Lantern Caretakers.esp
*stonhenge + hilltops.esp
*The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
*JKs Skyrim_Better City Entrances_Patch.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
*dynamic fires.esp
*Hashire - CH Patch.esp
YOT - Frostfall Module.esp
YOT - Wearable Lanterns.esp
*Reshaped Ebony Armor.esp
*More Weapons Please.esp
*Volkihar Knight.esp
*Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
*Bijin Warmaidens.esp
*VioLens SE.esp
*Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion.esp
BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp
*Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp
*Immersive Bleak Falls Barrow.esp
*JKs Skyrim_Thunderchild_Patch.esp
*Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Better Dynamic Snow - NSUTR Patch.esp
Better Dynamic Ash.esp
*Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
*Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Ordinator Patch.esp
*Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
*Apocalypse - Cheat Chests.esp
*Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Realistic Water Two Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp
*JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
*RealisticWaterTwo - FlowingLakes.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp
*Bashed Patch, 0.esp
All the items grayed out I think are the plug-ins that have been switched off after merging with others in creating the bash patch.
Any mods that had SKSE64 plug-ins where merged with the SKSE64 mod upon installation. 
I'm thinking it's something REALLY high in the load order, as I mentioned earlier, the game wont even start. I've never had this issue before. Despite my many modding screw ups. I can't even get to the Bethesda logo. If i run the game through Steam, it plays pefectly.
PLEASE any help, or advice you can give this aging Dovahkiin the better, as I'm TOTALLY stumped now.
Thanks in advance.




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Any mods that had SKSE64 plug-ins where merged with the SKSE64 mod upon installation. 



 What do you mean by "merging" with SKSE? You don't merge anything regarding regarding SKSE. You install SKSE MANUALLY and according to the installation instructions, then you install mods using SKSE just as normal mods using your mod managaer.


If the game starts via Steam (i.e. without SKSE), the problem is probably SKSE related: Wrong/incomplete installation of SKSE, game version and SKSE not matching, mods using SKSE that need an update... Check your installation of SKSE first, then check mods depending on SKSE.




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I mean mods with SKSE plug-ins are merged into SKSE when I'm installing them. I don't mean I'm merging SKSE with anything. SKSE has been installed the same way I have a thousand times before. As per gophers guide.

However I do think it may be an old plug-in that was merged into SKSE that needs updating...

If that doesn't work, I'm even more baffled.



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Ok so what you mean is instead of installing SKSE plugin mods via mod manager you are manually extracting the plugin and dropping into the SKSE folder?
That shouldnt cause an issue if you do it properly keeping in mind there may be other parts of the mod other than the plugin that will need to be installed.

Personally I would avoid this as it makes updating SKSE mods trickier. And lets face it there will come a time when they need updating again



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You have JKs Skyrim and JKs Whiterun in your plugin list.
If you have JKs Skyrim you dont need the individual town/city mods.
Same goes if you have JKs Riverwood installed
Not sure why people keep doing this

EDIT: I suspect you have done this because JKs Whiterun is required by T'Skyrim Whiterun. Personally I would keep JKs Skyrim and disable the others.
Same goes for JKs Riverwood/T'Skyrim Riverwood

Edited by QuagaarWarrior, 09 November 2018 - 04:38 PM.




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I had a similar problem with Claralux. I installed the patches for JK's towns, only for it to ask for each individual JK esp. Ended up uninstalling Claralux, and reinstalling without the JK patches. Then installed the no lights patch for JK. This returning the lights back to vanilla.

You're right. JK whiterun was installed as it's requested by T'Skyrim.




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As for your question about SKSE, when installing mods, you get the choice of merge/replace/cancel. For mods that are SKSE plug-ins, I choose MERGE, and then merge them into SKSE64. Thus reducing the amount of plug-ins loaded.

This technique was demonstrated by Gopher on his modding guide.




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For some reason most of the mods running SKSE plug-ins were not installing installing them into the SKSE/plugins folder. I copied the plugins to this folder. So now SKSE SHOULD be running all the required plugins. However the game STILL wont start. It has to be a SKSE fault. Though I'm totally stumped now......


I've also used the highlighting, feature to show what mods need SKSE. I switched them ALL off, along with SKSE, again no use..... Since I created the bash patch, and it's merged esps that require SKSE, I doubt I can uninstall SKSE, and the related SKSE mods.......


I know it's mainly for modders, and not 100% accurate, but I enabled papyrus logging to see if the error log would help track down the issue. No logs were created....




Okay I now know it's NOT an SKSE issue. Switched off ALL mods, and removed all plug-ins from SKSE. Now Vanilla with a blank SKSE running. It worked fine. Readded the plug-ins one by one, and switched on the associated mods, and the game started fine with each one.




It's HAS to be a mod conflict somewhere. Dammed if I can find out where though.

Edited by nagrom2608, 09 November 2018 - 08:28 PM.




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YAHOO.... I've tracked it down to the Thundershild shout mod. Now the game starts..

Only now as soon as the main menu SHOULD come up, I get a CTD...... 


Still it's progress.....




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From your last post it seems like its behaving as if it has a missing master file. With your current load order as it stands now after disabling Thunderchild shouts, run SSeEdit see if it gets to the end of the load order. IF its interrupted it'll let you know. Hope it helps

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