My clean modded rebuild wont start, and I'm baffled why....

[nagrom2608]

Hi Guys.

 

I've decided to start the game again with a brand new clean install, and I've taken what I've learnt from my past modding mistakes to build a pretty heavily modded, but stable game......

 

And it wont start LMFAO!!!! Clearly I've not learnt enough.

 

I've installed what mods I want.

Updated, and patched what needs patching.

Sorted via LOOT.

Cleaned via TS5Edit

and finally built a bash patch.

 

I'm totally baffled where I've gone wrong. The game wont even start, let alone CTD.

 

My mod list is this :-

 

1 *DLC: Dawnguard

2 *DLC: HearthFires

3 *DLC: Dragonborn

4 +Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch

5 +SKSE64

6 +PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions

7 +Unlimited Bookshelves

8 +AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer

9 +SKYUI

10 +UI Extensions

11 +SkyUI SE - Flashing Savegames Fix

12 +A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget

13 +moreHUD Inventory Edition

14 +Skyrim 2017 Textures

15 +RUSTIC MOUNTAINS - Special Edition

16 +A Quality World Map

17 +Enhanced Blood Textures

18 +Cutting Room Floor

19 +Better City Entrances

20 +Thunderchild - Epic Shouts and Immersion

21 +Blowing in the Wind

22 +Better Docks

23 +JK's Skyrim

24 +T'Skyrim - Whiterun (Addon to JK's Skyrim)

25 +T'Skyrim - Riverwood (Addon for JK's Skyrim)

26 +JK Whiterun Outskirts

27 +Whiterun Forest Borealis

28 +Skyrim Sewers

29 +Climates Of Tamriel-SE

30 +True Storms Special Edition - Thunder Rain and Weather Redone

31 +ETHEREAL CLOUDS - Special Edition

32 +Footprints

33 +Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim

34 +Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim

35 +Amazing Follower Tweaks SE

36 +The Paarthurnax Dilemma

37 +Even Better Quest Objectives

38 +Realistic Water Two

39 +Skyrim Flora Overhaul SE

40 +Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin

41 +Realistic Aspen Trees SE

42 +Simply Bigger Trees SE

43 +Immersive Fallen Trees SSE

44 +HD Photorealistic Ivy

45 +ETD - Every Tree Different

46 +RaceMenu

47 +ApachiiSkyHair

48 +Bijin Warmaidens

49 +Diversity - An NPC Overhaul

50 +Enhanced Lights and FX

51 +Lanterns of Skyrim SE

52 +Wearable Lanterns

53 +Lantern Caretakers SE

54 +CLARALUX SSE - Controllable Lights Everywhere

55 +CLARALUX SSE MCM

56 +SkyTEST - Realistic Animals and Predators

57 +Zim's Immersive Artifacts V1.4

58 +Immersive Roads

59 +Bridges HD

60 +Ruins Clutter Improved

61 +RUSTIC CLUTTER COLLECTION - Special Edition

62 +RUSTIC ATRONACHS - Special Edition

63 +RUSTIC FROSTBITE SPIDER - Special Edition

64 +RUSTIC AZURA'S STAR - Special Edition

65 +RUSTIC FORSWORN - Special Edition

66 +RUSTIC SPRIGGAN - Special Edition

67 +RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition

68 +RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Special Edition

69 +RUSTIC COOKING - Special Edition

70 +RUSTIC NOBLE FURNITURE - SSE

71 +RUSTIC DEATH HOUND and GARGOYLE - Special Edition

72 +RUSTIC ELDERSCROLL - Special Edition

73 +RUSTIC WINDOWS - Special Edition

74 +RUSTIC DRAGON CORPSE - Special Edition

75 +RUSTIC ARMOR and WEAPONS SE - DAEDRIC

76 +Frankly HD Miraak [sSE]

77 +Frankly HD Dawnguard Armor and Weapons

78 +Frankly HD Shrouded Armor

79 +Frankly HD Nightingale Armor and Weapons [sSE]

80 +Frankly HD Imperial Armor and Weapons

81 +Frankly HD Thieves Guild Armors

82 +Solstheim Landscape Overhaul HD

83 +Quaint Raven Rock - SE

84 +Better Dynamic Ash SE

85 +Ashbound -- Solstheim Enhanced

86 +LH's Cow Retexture HD 4K

87 +Detailed Chests Texture Replacers SE

88 +Improved Shadowmarks

89 +Skeleton.and.Human.Bones.by.Kajuan

90 +Castle Volkihar HD 2k

91 +Animal Bones

92 +Brewinggiantcask 4k

93 +Awesome HD Barrels

94 +Beautiful Boats of Skyrim

95 +Rudy HQ - Nordic Ruins SE

96 +Skyrim 3D High Hrothgar Steps

97 +JS Dragon Claws SE

98 +Mammoth.by.Kajuan

99 +Dragon.Priest.by.Kajuan

100 +Wispmother.by.Kajuan

101 +Draugr.by.Kajuan

102 +Troll.by.Kajuan

103 +Hagraven.by.Kajuan

104 +Falmer.by.Kajuan

105 +SABRECAT.by.Kajuan

106 +Giant.by.Kajuan

107 +Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack (SE)

108 +Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack

109 +Ashes and Flames - Spawn and Guardian Retex SE

110 +Masculine Argonian Textures for Vanilla (Chameleon and Lizard)

111 +Masculine Khajiit Textures (Grey Cat and Leopard)

112 +Feminine Argonian Textures (Chameleon and Lizard) [Vanilla]

113 +Feminine Khajiit Textures (Grey Cat and Leopard) [Vanilla]

114 +No snow under the roof

115 +Better Dynamic Snow

116 +Total Character Makeover

117 +Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion

118 +Diverse Dragons Collection SE (DDCse)

119 +Player Home - Sjel Blad Castle

120 +Player Home - Craftable Dragonborn Riverwood Home

121 +Player Home - Castle Strunmah Tweaked SE

122 +Player Home - Dovahkiin Hideout

123 +Player Home - Dovahkiin Retreat

124 +Nord Battlemage Armor

125 +Artifacts - The Ice Blade of the Monarch [sSE]

126 +Artifacts - The Tournament of the Ten Bloods [sSE]

127 +Artifacts - The Breton Paladin [sSE]

128 +DCR - King Crusader Mega Pack

129 +Scout Armor SE

130 +Daedra and Witch Hunter Mod

131 +Immersive Armors

132 +Ebony Armor Reshape

133 +Warmonger Armory SSE

134 +The Joy of Perspective

135 +Volkihar Knight - Vampire Armor

136 +Talos Housecarl Armor Pack

137 +Nether Mage Armor SSE

138 +Hunting Grounds Outfit

139 +Heretic Armor

140 +Gothic Plate Armor

141 +ClipsyMoon Weaponry

142 +See Enchantments SE

143 +More Weapons Please SE

144 +Draugr Weaponry SE

145 +Dragonbone Mastery - Weapons Retexture

146 +Legendary Skyrim Crossbows SSE

147 +Campfire - Complete Camping System

148 +Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival

149 +Campfire and Frostfall - Unofficial SSE Update

150 +Tentapalooza for Campfire

151 +Wet and Cold

152 +Dandelions - Realistic Dandelion Seeds

153 +Book Covers Skyrim

154 +Dynamic fires

155 +Ultimate HD Fire Effects SSE

156 +Embers HD

157 +Nordic Ruins of Skyrim SSE

158 +Disenchant Everything

159 +Giant Creature_SSE_2.0

160 +Immersive Bleak Falls Barrow Exterior SE

161 +Improved Sparks

162 +Dread Prison 4.2

163 +Project AHO

164 +Watchtowers Of Skyrim

165 +Crime Overhaul SSE

166 +Extra Dimensional Storage

167 +Faster Casting

168 +Unlimited Training

169 +Level Booster

170 +Immersive Dragons

171 +Cloaks of Skyrim SSE

172 +Winter Is Coming SSE - Cloaks

173 +Consistent Older People

174 +Immersive College of Winterhold

175 +Opulent Outfits - Mage Robes of Winterhold 2018-SSE

176 +Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition

177 +Skyrim Immersive Creatures - Official Patch and Patch Central

178 +Convenient Horses

179 +Hashire - A Truly Unique Horse

180 +YOT - Your Own Thoughts SE

181 +Hold Border Banners

182 +The Ruins

183 +Mythical Tundra - Stonehenge and Hilltops

184 +HD Serpentine Dragon and Mesh Fix SE

185 +Unlimited Amulets and Rings

186 +Immersive World Encounters SE

187 +Simple Auto Save Manager

188 +Frozen Electrocuted Combustion

189 +Apophysis Dragon Priest Masks SE

190 +Shuffler90's Glowing eyes remover

191 +Skyrim Battle Aftermath SE

192 +Point The Way

193 +True BatForm

194 +Hunterborn

195 +Jaxonz Positioner

196 +VioLens - A Killmove Mod SE

197 +Alternate Start - Live Another Life

198 +Static Mesh Improvement Mod

199 +Audio Overhaul for Skyrim 2

200 +Bash Patch

My Plug-in Load Order is this (This is the order sorted by LOOT): -

*Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

*Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

*ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

*DreadPrison.esp

*Campfire.esm

*GeneralStores.esm

*Extra Dimensional Storage.esl

*AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl

*ApachiiHairFemales.esm

*ApachiiHairMales.esm

*ApachiiHair.esm

*SkyUI_SE.esp

*Joy of Perspective.esp

*UnlimitedBookshelves.esp

*Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

*Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

*Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp

*SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

*EmbersHD.esp

*EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

*Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp

*dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

*ELFX - Exteriors.esp

*IcePenguinWorldMap.esp

*UIExtensions.esp

*AddItemMenuSE.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-L2.esp

*TrueStormsSE.esp

*AMatterOfTime.esp

*Footprints.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - CoT Patch.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Enhanced Blood Patch.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Reduced Reverb.esp

YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp

*Book Covers Skyrim.esp

*Whiterun Forest Borealis.esp

*Cutting Room Floor.esp

*CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp

*CLARALUX SSE.esp

*JKs Skyrim.esp

*immersive roads.esp

*Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - True Storms Patch.esp

BetterQuestObjectives.esp

*Diversity - An NPC Overhaul.esp

*CWIELnFXSEPatch.esp

*SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp

*Blowing in the Wind SSE.esp

*Blowing in the Wind - Lanterns of Skyrim Patch SSE.esp

*T'Skyrim Whiterun.esp

*JKs_Skyrim_No_Lights_Patch.esp

*Castle Strunmah.esp

*Undriel_QuaintRavenRock.esp

*Ashbound.esp

*BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp

*T'Skyrim Riverwood.esp

*Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp

*SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

*Audio Overhaul Skyrim - SkyTEST Patch.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Thunderchild Patch.esp

*Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp

*Blowing in the Wind - ELFX Exteriors Patch SSE.esp

*Sjel Blad Castle_SE.esp

*ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp

*Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

*The Ruins.esp

*BattleAftermath.esp

*TW3Plate.esp

*OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE AIO.esp

Disenchanting.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Zim's Immersive Artifacts Patch.esp

*AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Sorted.esp

SPTUnlimitedAmuletsSE.esp

*FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp

*Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

JoP - Immersive Armors Patch.esp

*WarmongerArmory_DLC.esp

*WarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp

FasterCasting.esp

*Unlimited Training.esp

*Level Booster.esp

*ssNordMage.esp

*Crime Overhaul.esp

*RaceMenu.esp

*RaceMenuPlugin.esp

*ClipsyMoon Weaponry.esp

*Point The Way.esp

*SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp

*Immersive Encounters.esp

*Undriel_QuaintRavenRock Ashbound.esp

*Blowing in the Wind - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp

*000WitchHuntermod.esp

*SkyrimSewers.esp

*JKs Whiterun.esp

*Dwarfsphere.esp

*High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition.esp

*Cloaks.esp

*Nordic Ruins of Skyrim.esp

*Improved Shadowmarks.esp

*Dragoon.esp

*fallentreebridgesSSE.esp

*mihailanimalbones.esp

*DreadPrisonAddon03.esp

*Tentapalooza.esp

*Hunterborn.esp

*Watchtowers of Skyrim.esp

*Frostfall.esp

*True Bat Form Remade.esp

*Dovahkiin_Retreat.esp

*Hideout_DLC_Main.esp

*Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp

*Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

*JKs Skyrim_Better Docks_Patch.esp

*Better City Entrances - All in one - SSE.esp

*DreadPrisonAddon01.esp

*Convenient Horses.esp

*CWIOOSEPatchAIO.esp

*manny Lantern Caretakers.esp

*stonhenge + hilltops.esp

*The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp

*JKs Skyrim_Better City Entrances_Patch.esp

*HoldBorderBanners.esp

*draugrweap_standa_en.esp

*PaladinArtifactsAndArmor.esp

*ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp

*icebladeofthemonarch.esp

Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp

*dynamic fires.esp

*Hashire.esp

*Hashire - CH Patch.esp

YOT - Frostfall Module.esp

YOT - Wearable Lanterns.esp

SPTUnlimitedRingsSE.esp

*SimpleAutoSaveManager.esp

*DCR_KingCrusaderMegaPack_SSE.esp

*Reshaped Ebony Armor.esp

*FireBurns.esp

*SeeEnchs.esp

*More Weapons Please.esp

*Volkihar Knight.esp

*TalosHousecarl.esp

*NetherMage.esp

*NS_HuntingGroundsOutfit.esp

*1nivWICCloaks.esp

*WarmongerArmory_LeveledList.esp

*Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

*HereticArmorPub.esp

*CWICRFSEPatch.esp

*JaxonzEnhGrab.esp

*Bijin Warmaidens.esp

*VioLens SE.esp

*Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion.esp

*DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp

BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp

*Blowing in the Wind - SMIM Merged All Patch SSE.esp

*Immersive Bleak Falls Barrow.esp

*JKs Skyrim_Thunderchild_Patch.esp

*ScoutArmor.esp

*WetandCold.esp

*Better Dynamic Snow.esp

Better Dynamic Snow - NSUTR Patch.esp

Better Dynamic Ash.esp

*Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp

*Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Ordinator Patch.esp

*Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

*Apocalypse - Cheat Chests.esp

*Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

*RealisticWaterTwo.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Realistic Water Two Patch.esp

Audio Overhaul Skyrim - RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp

*JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp

*RealisticWaterTwo+-+Verdant+Patch.esp

*RealisticWaterTwo - FlowingLakes.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp

*Bashed Patch, 0.esp

All the items grayed out I think are the plug-ins that have been switched off after merging with others in creating the bash patch.

Any mods that had SKSE64 plug-ins where merged with the SKSE64 mod upon installation.

I'm thinking it's something REALLY high in the load order, as I mentioned earlier, the game wont even start. I've never had this issue before. Despite my many modding screw ups. I can't even get to the Bethesda logo. If i run the game through Steam, it plays pefectly.

PLEASE any help, or advice you can give this aging Dovahkiin the better, as I'm TOTALLY stumped now.

Thanks in advance.

Me.

 

[Algabar]

Any mods that had SKSE64 plug-ins where merged with the SKSE64 mod upon installation.

 

 

What do you mean by "merging" with SKSE? You don't merge anything regarding regarding SKSE. You install SKSE MANUALLY and according to the installation instructions, then you install mods using SKSE just as normal mods using your mod managaer.

 

If the game starts via Steam (i.e. without SKSE), the problem is probably SKSE related: Wrong/incomplete installation of SKSE, game version and SKSE not matching, mods using SKSE that need an update... Check your installation of SKSE first, then check mods depending on SKSE.

[nagrom2608]

I mean mods with SKSE plug-ins are merged into SKSE when I'm installing them. I don't mean I'm merging SKSE with anything. SKSE has been installed the same way I have a thousand times before. As per gophers guide.

 

However I do think it may be an old plug-in that was merged into SKSE that needs updating...

 

If that doesn't work, I'm even more baffled.

[QuagaarWarrior]

Ok so what you mean is instead of installing SKSE plugin mods via mod manager you are manually extracting the plugin and dropping into the SKSE folder?

That shouldnt cause an issue if you do it properly keeping in mind there may be other parts of the mod other than the plugin that will need to be installed.

 

Personally I would avoid this as it makes updating SKSE mods trickier. And lets face it there will come a time when they need updating again

[QuagaarWarrior]

You have JKs Skyrim and JKs Whiterun in your plugin list.

If you have JKs Skyrim you dont need the individual town/city mods.

Same goes if you have JKs Riverwood installed

Not sure why people keep doing this

 

EDIT: I suspect you have done this because JKs Whiterun is required by T'Skyrim Whiterun. Personally I would keep JKs Skyrim and disable the others.

Same goes for JKs Riverwood/T'Skyrim Riverwood

Edited November 9, 2018 by QuagaarWarrior

[nagrom2608]

I had a similar problem with Claralux. I installed the patches for JK's towns, only for it to ask for each individual JK esp. Ended up uninstalling Claralux, and reinstalling without the JK patches. Then installed the no lights patch for JK. This returning the lights back to vanilla.

 

You're right. JK whiterun was installed as it's requested by T'Skyrim.

[nagrom2608]

As for your question about SKSE, when installing mods, you get the choice of merge/replace/cancel. For mods that are SKSE plug-ins, I choose MERGE, and then merge them into SKSE64. Thus reducing the amount of plug-ins loaded.

 

This technique was demonstrated by Gopher on his modding guide.

[nagrom2608]

For some reason most of the mods running SKSE plug-ins were not installing installing them into the SKSE/plugins folder. I copied the plugins to this folder. So now SKSE SHOULD be running all the required plugins. However the game STILL wont start. It has to be a SKSE fault. Though I'm totally stumped now......

 

I've also used the highlighting, feature to show what mods need SKSE. I switched them ALL off, along with SKSE, again no use..... Since I created the bash patch, and it's merged esps that require SKSE, I doubt I can uninstall SKSE, and the related SKSE mods.......

 

I know it's mainly for modders, and not 100% accurate, but I enabled papyrus logging to see if the error log would help track down the issue. No logs were created....

 

EDIT

 

Okay I now know it's NOT an SKSE issue. Switched off ALL mods, and removed all plug-ins from SKSE. Now Vanilla with a blank SKSE running. It worked fine. Readded the plug-ins one by one, and switched on the associated mods, and the game started fine with each one.

 

So.......

 

It's HAS to be a mod conflict somewhere. Dammed if I can find out where though.

Edited November 9, 2018 by nagrom2608

[nagrom2608]

YAHOO.... I've tracked it down to the Thundershild shout mod. Now the game starts..

Only now as soon as the main menu SHOULD come up, I get a CTD......

 

Still it's progress.....

[Pippboss]

From your last post it seems like its behaving as if it has a missing master file. With your current load order as it stands now after disabling Thunderchild shouts, run SSeEdit see if it gets to the end of the load order. IF its interrupted it'll let you know. Hope it helps