sunshinenbrick

I would assume it is called 'cathedral' because it loosely reflects how most cathedrals (irl) are built, as in they are built, or added on to, at different times by different people. I suppose it perhaps also might try hold the ideal that people are working for a purpose beyond commercial means, but that it doesn't forbid it - I don't know, I have never read this supposed 'manifesto' but have naturally adopted this so-called 'cathedral' and 'parlour' type approach. I appreciate and find advantages to both of these models and they are not mutually exclusive nor are they exclusive to the 'modding scene', although they are obviously unique in their particular integration into their overall system. The problem appears rooted in the seemingly persistent oversimplification (as seems to be the case in so many walks of life) of how the whole system works i.e. modding games, inter-dependence and integration into wider ecosystems that makes it 'cathedral ' by nature - as many have alluded to even down to individual game setups, and not to mention the cascades of licensing supernovae that make the whole thing both possible and a legal minefield at the same time. EDIT: although you could also argue the system remains within the 'palour' of the original developer Stealing commercial resources and the selling or proprietorial use of open, free or non-commercial resources are both forms of piracy - and it is often only because of some form of trickle-up (and some trickle-down) that most of this is viable and able to exist to much of the extent that it does. Again, oversimplification and drive towards being able to 'click 'n' play' or not having to 'fix broken mods' leads to ignorance, general misinformation, and a depreciation and lack of the will to work towards rewards - which in modding doesn't usually culminate solely in an end goal or final transaction. From reading the comments in and around this thread and others related to how mods should be shared etc... leads me to the conclusion that there are some rather large chasms and voids of misunderstanding as to how mods are made, the creative process, copyright and licensing, and a general understanding of each other as people with personal needs and limitations. This is of course true in the grander scale of things but appears particularly acute in the modding scene for numerous reasons including how new an 'industry' it is, but also because of the somewhat unique way it is usually tied to the owner of the base product i.e. the original game. Other pieces of art or products don't face this sort of perverse internalised market so people can be rewarded for their efforts more fairly, modders on the other hand are often the only ones not making money. The most recent developments seem to cement this disconnection between the user (potential modder to be) and the modder (user who developed some knowledge and skill) as it more often than not appears to remove the modder from the equation, or assumes that they are their to simply provide what the user wants, or to improve 'their experience' - so as to increase 'clicks' and 'dollars' it seems. Perhaps there might be as much long-term reward and provision of an overall better 'user experience' for the users, modders, and intermediaries if things were not rigged towards basic lowest common denominators but rather towards encouraging engagement, awareness, appreciation, and a desire to be curious and creative.

They strike me as ideologies and are somewhat rare to find in their purest forms. I would concur on the comments that cathedral pretty much includes all free and open resources/assets/mods that are licensed and contain licensing that allows them to be shared and used - to what degree makes cathedral anything but uniform across the board! Which is where I often find the controversy around the two can get... interesting. If cathedral is at one end then parlour being at the other suggests the 'most parlour-like' would be essentially a completely proprietary piece of work that does not include or use licences that forbid further restrictions being implemented and thus also forbids any use outside that of an 'end-user'. i.e. a 'parlour' mod might still contain resources or assets that are part of the 'cathedral', and likewise a 'cathedral' mod might contain elements that the author may wish to keep proprietary. Where things can quickly get murky is the concept of parlour mods for Bethesda games (and most other games) exists alongside the 'cathedral' of the Bethesda licensing framework, and while a mod may contain a large amount of independent and original work, they operate in this sort of walled garden where authors are consequentially restricted in how they can commercially package and benefit from their 'finished product'. Problems often arise when people fail to appreciate or acknowledge these nuances and for example claim things like 'if it is a Bethesda mod it makes it a free for all' etc... (well except that this seems technically true for Bethesda themselves and they often incorporate concepts from mods). Thinking about truly 'parlour mods' I would say some tools and managers may fall into this category, or perhaps injectors and shaders like ENB... or something that is essentially independent. However most such freeware or shareware likely still use or implement licensed scripts and libraries and thus are ill-advised to (and legally shouldn't) be used in any unsolicited commercial capacity or put behind any kind of paywall. Which is what makes the recent move by the site here all the more intriguing as it seems to enforce a sort of one-sided cathedral/parlour model on masse - including huge amounts of content that likely consists of a complete mish mash of stuff that would take a considerable amount of resources to sift through thoroughly enough so as to ensure you are not falling foul of a superseding licence anywhere (like with Nintendo, Adobe or Microsoft, for example).

Well I do crash pretty often due to lack of memory according to Crash Fixes, and they do suggest ENB Boost. Sadly I have yet to find any ENB that looks nice and will run on my system with a good framerate that uses new binaries (the ones that support ENB Boost). The ENB I use currently supports .112 I think - which is quite a bit too old for ENB Boost. The newer binaries also seem to make my game slow down as well - but I may investigate further and see if that can solved the crashing over all. Thanks for the info! You've really given me a lot to think about, and to test. :smile: Well I am cooking something myself that is getting close to release. A lot of improvements. But you can still check out the current version if you want. The ENB is not the newest but is at least 292, but I have tested 303 I think it was, and things worked fine with a bit of tweaking. The old version does have shadows and SkyLighting but the one I am trying to release manages a little more and is much better and optimised in every area really. Anyway maybe check it out and let me know how you get on. Cheers :smile:

Okay. I have a GT 940MX in the laptop I have, which is fairly new (nearly a year old) - so Windows 10 was always installed. I just Googled it and my GPU seems to suppoer Nvidia Optimus. I'm on driver version 385.28 (which should be the latest driver). I don't have very much reference when it comes to being affected or not affected when playing Skyrim to be honest, so is there are way to roll back? If so - should I roll back, or just stick with the drivers I have? I'll be honest - I know very little about laptop components in comparison to desktop components, so I'm generally unfamiliar with stuff like this. My apologies for being a bit of a noob. Well first I would advise to test you definitely actually have the same issue before doing anything as your hardware and software setup is different (and more up to date) than mine. Rolling back and forth is thankfully relatively easy with Nvidia to be fair to them. Windows 10 is pretty robust too... like really robust! But always make a decent (preferably remote) backup of everything before doing any experimenting and modifying of your system. This should go without saying and should always be the default position. First would be to try replicate what I noticed. a) Do you have or use ENB w/ enbhost (ENBoost)? If not then it is possible you will not encounter the issue at all or maybe only with a heavily modded game and when under stress. b) Then you need to spot the same thing I did to see if affects your system. Probably the hardest part. To do this you need to be in an area that pushes your system to full. So suggest outside and with lots of trees. Please note that if you use ENB then it can be a challenge to optimise everything to get the best balance between looks and performance. If you already use an ENB with its effects and things seem to run fine and you don't seem to have any problems then just assume everything works and just carry on about things because this issue likely doesn't affect you. c) Once outside you need to be moving around and best going from once cell to another and back again. If the issue is there then after a while (depending on your hardware) there should be a somewhat slower response and some fps issues. It is not always immediately noticeable depending on your initial fps count, but I think it is not an uncommon issue in cross card setups, which effectively what Optimus is. I believe the Intel chip is the 'primary' and the Nvidia kicks in when needed... or at least should do... and stay on - which is the problem I believe I had which might suggest it is a power saving issue in Windows or Nvidia/Intel driver) d) If and ONLY IF you discover the issue should you think about maybe trying the fix I found. e) Backup your system and download the Nvidia drivers, with 350.12 luckily, and very importantly, forces a clean restart update. Fortunately in Windows and 10 especially it is good at backing up drivers so you should be able to roll-back from device manager easily enough if need be. ALWAYS back up your Nvidia game profiles before doing anything with the drivers as it can be a nightmare to fix if you have made any customisations. f) If you have updated your Intel HD drivers at all other than by the automatic windows updates then you may need to try going back to the windows default as I have noticed this also made a difference. g) Reapply Nvidia profiles (if used) adjust the ENB proxy dll to incorporate the 'false header' as described in my other post. NB! This makes the driver able to use the cards directx features enough to run games like Skyrim (dirextx9) properly. Using this with newer cards then this could possibly cause a drop in performance but then it may also improve it. It is important to note that if one plays some of the newest games and if they have had a specific game issue that required an updated driver then of course this kind of fix is going to 'break' that other game. NB! Don't worry about ENB and the proxy dlls though as if kept in the game folder then they will only affect that game. I think that is about it in terms of how I got it to work. Basically when I run the game for a while with ENB and mods on it now runs faster and more steady. Phew! :laugh: P.S. It is perhaps also useful to know that Windows will automatically replace the video driver silently and this can be an issue as such 'fixes' will suddenly stop working. You can change this behaviour by right-clicking your PC in the Desktop & Printers control panel and go to 'Device installation settings' menu item. This will affect all drivers and so you will need to periodically check manually for other devices you may have.

Could you explain why? I'm especially interested in the laptops part (and exactly what types of Nvidia laptop GPU's are we talking about). It could only be some cards in some setups buts I'll give you the heads up on my own experience. FYI I have a Dell XPS 15 i7 with Nvidia 640m card and Optimus... well if it is properly enabled. The laptop came with Windows 8 and I went through 8.1 and then Windows 10. There were other issues at first in that not all directx features worked properly in all games and to be honest I also only load Skyrim (which is the game that made me notice the issue) for a short while to test certain things and don't always stress the system too much. Anyway basically I noticed a little while ago (after some stress testing) that after a few minutes there appeared to be a memory issue although there really shouldn't be one as far I could remember. Turned everything off and down and tried, had to run around for ages but same thing. I think I remember something similar years ago at the birth of 8 but I dunno. So I went on an Internet hunt and eventually came across other posts on Optimus being broken for Win 10, but then apparently fixed. Not for me it seemed. Finally found a person claiming something was broken after 350.12 and not yet fixed (by either MS or Nvidia). So tried it it and Boom! Fixed. Except many directx features disabled. I remembered this issue form Windows 8 and there was a work-around to use a d3d9.dll that tricks the game into thinking you have an older full Nvidia card and bingo, full Optimus and directx on a Windows 10 laptop. Runs much better but I had to disable auto driver updates in the real control panel, and so far so good! EDIT: For consistency I tried the same out on the i5 desktop with a 450GTS (I know it is old...) and it worked and also seemed to improve performance there too so am doing some longer term testing. As a point of note it is important to backup profiles and use clean installations of drivers to avoid conflicts and problems.

As far as I can see the way MS are approaching things is making the higher parts of their shell and environment somewhat more 'open source', hence it should be the last Windows 'release'. The price is we are all now kinda outsourced employees of MS and it is more a case of 'the community will figure it out'. This only goes so far of course and everything is being recorded of course so good luck stealing too many of your own ideas! :laugh: Not sure how I feel about it. Pros and cons. I am an avid gamer and so Windows has always been the go to. But depending where they take things with their obsession with bringing consoles and PC closer together then I am definitely eyeing other horizons including Linux/Mac and the Web for productivity and possibly SteamOS and maybe even Mac or Android depending on whether they perhaps react differently and steal a little ground. Would prefer not to as I know my way round Windows a heck of a lot more than Linux and for gaming it is just nice to have things work. But then I am not often into blockbuster games and there are some poor offerings as of late - sometimes even broken or riddled with micro-transactions. So yeah I suppose we shall have to see and it could be quite exciting. As per the OP question. I would perhaps suggest 10 in your situation as you seem keen to kinda get on with things and Win 7 will possibly be more immediate hassle as the official support is less. But then 7 is older and given what I said above, the community is usually much more useful in most cases. The privacy thing is a drop in the bucket at this point as the s*** as totally hit the fan in that regard and well look at the snooper charter and SESTA to see that things start to pale into comparison. Having said that, DO NOT expect to be problem free on Windows 10 either. Graphics wise there is a list of disputes mostly revolving around who is charge between MS, Intel and Nvdia (I would imagine AMD are not any different but don't have a card). Everything from games simply not working to vsync, full screen, and countless other issues including huge problems with Optimus support on laptops. For example I personally don't update Nvidia drivers past 350.12 (especially on laptops) and then use a directx.dll patcher because unless the game requires DX12 then I have noticed some severe performance issues and other anomalies in various games on anything since that. The Creators (a simple coincidence?) Update was particularly troublesome. So yeah either way there is gonna be somethings to work out and get used to, but fortunately there is usually a very helpful and busy community out there, whatever OS or system you choose, who are normally quite friendly and willing to help along the way. In any case it is a learning and evolving environment to be in. Sorry to ramble but an interesting topic... :smile:

I think they are more than likely puppets with little to no actual wealth, of course not all of them as some will also have 'lineage' or become a bigger fish along with the bankers and other 'big business' owners. ...all the while the cats quietly remain to be seen or heard.

I still follow and direct a few people to this topic (and a few others) as it is good, but guess the wiki is the place to go? The thread was started in 2012 and the last few posts were earlier this year - so perhaps not quite dead yet... but I agree that an updated, more centralised and easily searched system of tutorials, resources etc, including some stuff from the forums, is much needed. It does not help that the wiki interface, while very informative, is also a bit dated and is not overly user friendly in terms of adding and linking content either. Have the same problems at work actually and suppose it is the case when things are 'free'... hmmm... well, it's now on my list of things to try help with!

Here is another... Queen. Must have some of the most widely known, sung, chanted songs on the planet. Even if people don't even know who they are.

Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone.

I love Dylan,i still remember the first time i heard Mellow Yellow in was in a gas station where i was filling up my 57 Nomad, but come on he isn't drawing the huge crowds that the Stones do. Think I'm beat then as I can't think of anyone else really. I'm sure it is a common consensus and not sure how we will see the likes of that kind of thing again because well.. the times, they are a changing. (see what I did there!) It is like classical music, there are some really great composers around especially in film and games, but will they ever be able to compete with the likes of Beethoven, Bach or Mozart? I suppose only time will tell, possibly well beyond either of our lifetimes... or at least your time spent here in this age. :D

Okay how about Bob Dylan or maybe Iron Maiden... and including other fields of influence perhaps Bob Geldof? The thread does say "of all time"...

Do we mean just 'rock n roll' and is it just from a musicianship, or albums sold perspective? As much as some of those already mentioned there are things like Sex Pistols, The Who, Pink Floyd, David Bowie, Genesis, Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, Nirvana... or even things like Neil Young, Jimi Hendrix or Paul Simon.

Hmm.. I guess it can depend on context and even personal experience. I suppose at its most objective point it could be argued that mere survival is to be prosperous - but then even this is not a given (rich dead people for instance). Just having a quick look on the web and the definition itself mentions materialism so the word has 'loaded' (pardon the pun) connotations to start with. Computers, the internet and other advances in technology also change the premise upon which prosperity can be acquired (e.g. bitcoins, or, are facebook friends real friends?) - as is suggested in the nuances of the question. Not entirely sure they are mutually exclusive; as in you could hate your life, but be very wealthy, have no friends, yet make big decisions everyday that affect many peoples' lives. One could easily be seen as prosperous from one perspective but not actually feel prosperous from the other. Not to mention how these things can be distorted by your surroundings in which you may think and believe you are prosperous but live in a false sense of security, or of course vice versa.

I think it largely depends what OS you have and what you have running on it. Windows 10 on its own, so far, seems to be pretty good at optimising itself to what the user is doing. As far as gaming it seems they have actually put some effort in, however both how long this 'sweet spot' will last and whether the new 'automatic' features and whatever begin to actually conflict unnecessarily with manual tweaks and people who want to explore their systems potential further, remains to be seen. Older versions of Windows that were less game-orientated and often came with lots of bloatware, could benefit from game boosters and such but then these have gradually increased in what they try to do and can become problematic or worse cause unstable systems for people who do not know what they are doing. This is also likewise true for overclocking, which is something that is more a fine (and often expensive) art to get right if it doesn't actually cause more problems than it solves. Like with all these things the best option is to start at the beginning and learn what you can yourself. It will take more time but the rewards are better and you will get a lot out of it as well. My own advice would be to not fiddle with Windows too much as for the most part it is quite stable unless you run into specific issues - this means there is no 'fix all' for all systems as each are different and it depends on the software configuration too. However as you learn the basics yourself then you can apply that to whichever system or game you are trying to optimise, like using programs they are different but once you get used to GUIs it gets easier to at least know where to perhaps begin. I don't want to get into a full blown thing here as I cannot compete with Google and I have already made some rudimentary guides on some of this stuff (mostly for Skyrim but some of the system optimisation and ENB stuff is still largely applicable). What I will say though is to start actually doing the most obvious things like removing software and clients and whatnot that you don't use that much anymore. Reducing what is running from the get go is what will really help free up resources. Microsoft finally gave some user friendly controls of this in Task Manager now, but autoruns has always been a favourite for many. Depending how limited resources are then there are the system visuals like 'peeking' that you can turn off, also set Virtual Memory to a fixed size (increasing too much can have reverse effects!), and if you are not using many home networking features then there are a few Services that are not necessary (but be very careful you don't break things). Turn off things like Cortana and all the other semi-useless Windows 10 jazz can help a lot too. Lastly as for graphics cards, I personally avoid things like 'Nvidia Experience' or anything like that as with all the other boosters and stuff it actually can cause more issues and worse performance, especially when using ENB or other injectors - and if on laptop/Optimus setups. I just use Nvidia Inspector to fine tune certain options for games (I have not used ATI in a while but there is perhaps RadeonPro?). A lot of options that take time to get to grips with but I have some of this included in the guides I made as well so will not go into it here. But if anything I would simply advise to be careful, take your time and keep a record of what you change and make restore points/backups as you go so you can actually be sure you are making improvements. :wink: