JediMasterTallyn

Personally I can see the governments of the world doing this but not big corporations, honestly we do not matter enough to them for them to bother. As long as the money keeps coming in and they maintain power I really believe that they could not care less about anyone with less than 7 figures in their bank accounts. Yes plural as in multiple 7 figure accounts. The government however cannot help but want to micromanage, cannot have free thinkers, that leads to people questioning your motives.

Now when it comes to MMOs that is a different discussion, getting paid stuff for free has a different word used to label it and lets just leave that one alone so no one thinks they are being accused of anything, Ok? Good. Some mods in MMO's are considered ok but any that gives an advantage to you falls under the cheat category or are considered similar to farmbots, (a big issue in ESO I am sure you can find out what I mean if you look). So I believe you need to clarify what you mean a little more when discussing modding a MMO most of it is going to be dropped into the cheat category by most folks that includes things like a mini map that does nothing but show the location of certain collectables. Some call that a cheat others a needed tool to find stuff because they do not want or have the time to explore every inch of the games world. Now Farmbots, a mod that helps with said grind is considered a cheat by most people, about the only "bot" like this people seem to be ok with is a merchant type character that just stands in one spot and sells stuff for you. (Think the old school Everquest players market on the moon) Modding an MMO is... touchy, and you have to be VERY careful; to often is it just "hacks" so that get you in trouble. Most of the examples I used here are mods used in ESO I picked that one MMO because it is the one MMO I played that I have experience in the modding community.

Ok first I have not been in good place lately so have not been posting here, not saying this is a unsafe place but. You guys were not the companionship I needed. I tend to keep parts of my life separate, and mental health is not something I come here for, no offense but the place I go knows me and has known me longer. Again this IS a safe space, just not MY safe space. Hope that makes sense. That said WTF.... VR headsets are better than a Holodeck?? Seriously? A Holodeck while not being mobile is a full environment that you can interact with. VR headsets while looking cool and being fairly realistic cannot come close to that. In a Holodeck you can actually get wet by falling into water, and the cool part to dry off just step outside the Holodeck. Your VRBoy cannot compete. Second as I said HAL is more about discussing how AI will handle it's first morally grey decision, HAL did not handle his well. Was this because of coding, a lack of foresight by those that taught him? Putting him in the field to early, before those teaching him could introduce morally grey things to him? Remember HAL saw the world as black and white or if you prefer 1 or 0, The morally gray area most governments and militaries operate in would have been a foreign concept One I believe he was ill educated about to handle. I do agree that who teaches them and what they are taught will have a definite impact on them if they ever achieve sentience.

While you are most likely correct it did make for a interesting discussion. to some of us I recognize not everyone will agree with me on that.

The issue here lies in that "most" modding done one consoles are the cheaty cheaty type. Game Genie or Shark being the oldest examples. That said some people do but I do not believe they will be the "older" generation, those of us that actually played some games in an old school Arcade, before buying them on console, back before Skyrim creation club; especially on console, modding meant cheating of some type. So from a console only perspective I can see where the "I never mod" group comes from. It is from a older school of thought that actually pre dates most modders. lol Now I feel old.

or at the very least a cheat table and or mod that does not require that I go download malware onto my PC? Sorry I just had a VERY bad experience with Cheat Engine and it soured me on the site, causing it lose my trust completely. I had to replace a hard drive that got FUBAR corrupted, the hard drive was 2 TB when those were brand new, and it was a week old.

Ah, well then I retract my "changing the rules" comment, it did seem that way but I misunderstood that you were rephrasing the question to continue the discusion.

Highlighted enlarged quote, you originally asked for someone to name one Beth game that they like as Vanilla I provided; Now you are changing the rules???????? And the answer is They enjoy the game as is, if they did not they would not play it.

ok obviously to two of you have a different definition of "modding", or are not understanding each others point. OG poster is talk of mods in general even ones that just add items and or lands or quest to the game (like Bruma for Sky) as well as the cheaty cheaty ones (like Cheat room for Sky) LenaWolf is saying that yes they mod but only the ones that add stuff and looks on that as just adding something to a game, not Modding, (see the capitals there) Now you wanted someone to post a Beth loved game that they love as is with as Vanilla. Fallout 3 to be honest I do not even like the DLC all that much for that game I like the true Vanilla game and have logged hour upon hour playing while never once looking for a mod. And infact still play it on occasion.

wanna lay off that nail buddy pretty sure you hammered the point home lol. Very well put I cannot disagree with any of what you said here all of them are right.

Subtle tip if you want to actually debate try and avoid name calling and finger pointing, and I love how your statement implies that the other side is any better. A much better way of saying what you wanted to say is: "Main stream media and its cult-like followers do not want us to stop being divided or hating each other, it would allow us to focus on the crap they keep pulling on a constant basis. Which is why they are so fast to throw the 'human rights' label at everything. It makes the TLDR folks side with them automatically, and makes anyone opposed look terrible, it is a cheap trick and the worst part of that trick is that it works 100% of the time without fail." Now as to your this side bad that side good moment there, well that is just B.S. I paraphrase the movie Armageddon every time some one does this: Democratic Politician, Republican Politician; ALL OLD RICH WHITE GUY!!! well mostly anyway. But seriously, most of the "leaders" of each party were alive and old enough to have served in the Korean War. (That makes the 18-25 in the 1950's btw) And now you want me to believe that a person that was raised to adulthood BEFORE television was in every home before civil rights and before desegregation. understands and gets the intricacies of the gender debate and/or any other social issue we are wading through at this point in history. Brah I graduated in the 1990's and I BARELY understand half of it so yeah pull the other one it has bells. To be frank; I do not think these rich highly educated career** politicians understand anything other that campaign law, so that they can still accept "donations" to the cause; and marketing, so they can bullshit the media and youth of today into believing that they give a damn about anything but power and money. To be honest I have not trusted and/or voted along party lines..... well, ever. And I have been voting since around Bill Clinton's second term. I have three rules, that I try to follow each time I step into the voting booth. 1.I almost never vote major party if a third or fourth option is available and palatable. 2. After their second term unless what they are running against is just terrible I almost never vote for that incumbent (Alzheimer's vs Trump, yikes!! can we PLEASE get a 3rd option?????) 3. NEVER! EVER! Trust ANYTHING mainstream media or adjacent, says about either candidate, the internet exist research and find out for sure on your own and take NO ONE'S word for it. Be able to cite several sources from all sides of a debate the more the better. Next time try putting less hate-mongering in your statement and go for more reason. You will get a much better response. ** Career Politicians in my opinion are the problem and the problem can be summed up thusly: If they fix an issue what will they have to campaign on? therefore why fix anything? Hence why I refuse to vote for the incumbent more than once unless It just cannot be helped. {P.S. If you think this problem is limited to the U.S. government you are even more delusional than most of Hollywood. Seek help.}

first off lets get the easy ones out of the way, Skynet: at no point in history so far has any government shown that if the leaders did not have 100% control over something like this would any government trust it. Therefore of the three scenarios I find this one the least like mostly because I have never gotten past "The government trusting something?" pfffft. So yeah. This one is easy. Paranoia is our friend this time. HAL is well; VERY dated. mostly I like to included this for the talking point of "How do you believe AI will handle it's first morally grey decision?" My answer, it depends on who wrote its base code and taught it to think. And Finally Cylons. Honestly this one is much more likely to me although I will preface that I do not believe anyone alive today will face this particular dilemma. I say and consider how far we have come in the past 60 years and am fully prepared to be wrong. in just 25 years we went from 8 bit games to full VR. Here is hoping for my holodeck. The questions here are: How will we react to AI evolving sentience, how will it respond? what moral or ethics will it have learned from it's human creators? Could we honestly stop it considering the thinking speeds of non sentient machines of today if it decided to go full Cylon on its creators? I would like to believe that by the time this scenario is possible we will have learned our lessons and be better. I hope that the humans that created and teach this AI taught it to value all life, and that when the machines prove their intelligence that the humans of this time listen, despite our track record when dealing with "different" . Perhaps our descendants will avoid a disaster we have long feared. Or maybe they will run head long into it. What scenario is most likely to you? How do you believe future humans will respond? How will the newly born sentient AI respond?

ummm what?

You say that and yet canceling someone for their views is a thing, it is not longer enough to disagree with them now we are required to destroy the life of someone we barely know because their world view is different than ours? F that. I refuse to say you cannot say think feel pray or love in what ever way you wish. Now I will DEBATE about whether or not you should do those things. But saying you cannot, no that is not who I am I refuse to FORCE my world view down someone else's throat or make them feel that how the think pray feel or love is wrong in any way.