Shadowcran

Thanks for the advice, Thomas. THe thing about Real Swords and Tamriel Travelers was never clear to me.

The answers are: 5,10,14,19,22,28,32,40,44,47,48,54, 59, and 64. Does this help? The ridiculously overpowered weapons and armor are all definitely making fun of the cheat/god items that exist already. The "Of doom" remarks are digging into the fact there's far too much gloom in a lot of the game. The endless quest of opening doors made fun of some of the stupid Runescape quests I did. I'm under the impression that far too many creature mods keep going for the next "awesome" creature, which is fine, but they've forgotten how boring it can be at the start killing only rats, crabs , goblins and wolves. Adding more lower level creatures like kobolds, gnolls, gibberlings and the like will enhance the game the whole way through. Also, Yuan Ti's and Draconians would make excellent mid level creatures to add to the game with some of them making it into the "awesome" range through levelling. I've often wondered if creatures were allowed to "level up beyond their original design" through killing other creatures was possible. What I mean is that even in areas you've not visited or seen yet, creatures continue to fight one another(as long as they're different). Some mods conflict and do this like WarCry and MMM, and I don't see it as a conflict but natural progression. but people will say "But Shadow, if this occurs a lot, when you get there, there'll only be the one creature who survived!" . Wrong, the others respawn, duh. PErhaps creatures could have a specific roaming range. Anyway, I'm just rambling.

Yes, this is good for teaching a method for dealing with corrupted saves, but has anyone determined just how saves get corrupted? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I'm right now at a point my saves are getting corrupted when I am near/in Fallen Rock Cave doing that part of the Fighters Guild Quest. I've backups, so no worry. But every time I go to save there boom...a corrupted save. The best way is for us to record/compile just when these occur and perhaps better heads than mine can figure out what's wrong and ways for us to prevent it. ALL saves are corrupted when I save near it. I even used the ~save command and it got corrupted. My saves before it? work fine, and I can save it. Funny thing...I'm playing with a LOT of mods and it's only in Vanilla Oblivion quests where I've had this trouble. I had these before I even knew there WERE Oblivion mods. I've had this before btw. Usually I'll just fiddle with all my saves after making a backup and delete all corrupted, autosaves, and quicksaves. By fiddling, I'll repair abomb, remove bloat,etc. And eventually it starts working again. Not so this time. I'm just not going to save near there. But that's at least 1 problem location we can mention. Oh, Brina Cross Inn is another. Saves got corrupted there too, until I went back later and redid the mages guild requirement again on a different day and no problems.

00 Oblivion.esm 01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm 02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm 03 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm 04 Children Of Rourken.esm 05 Jog_X_Mod.esm 06 CM Partners.esm 07 Inventory Tracker.esm 08 Qarls_Harvest.esm 09 Tamrielic Ingredients.esm 0A Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34Beta3] 0B Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.6beta2] 0C TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.36] 0D Armamentarium.esm 0E Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm 0F FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7] 10 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm 11 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0] 12 Adrenaline Locational Masterfile.esm 13 You Are Here.esm 14 SewerExpansion.esm ** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp ** TNR - ALL RACES FINAL.esp ** TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp 15 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.0.0] 16 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 17 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch-MOBS-FCOM.esp [Version 1.4.0] 18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp 19 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp 1A Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp 1B Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp ++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9] 1C FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9] 1D Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp 1E Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp 1F Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp ++ Louder Nirnroot Sound.esp ++ Symphony of Violence.esp 20 PCSoundRhett.esp [Version 2.6] 21 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp ++ 300_Random_Clutter.esp 22 BookTrackerOBSE.esp ++ Brighter_Torches.esp 23 Damsels In Distress.esp ++ FGPorter_nofollow.esp 24 Qarls_Harvest.esp 25 Qarls_logs.esp ** Rational Names, 2.esp [Version 2-04] 26 Harvest[Containers].esp 27 Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp 28 Living Economy.esp 29 Living Economy - Items.esp 2A Crowded Cities 15.esp 2B Crowded Roads.esp [Version 1.6] 2C Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp 2D ArmamentariumVendors.esp 2E CapesandCloaks.esp 2F Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp ++ Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp 30 Dreadweave Complete_Heavy.esp 31 Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp 32 KDCirclets.esp 33 KDClothCirclets.esp 34 SentientWeapon.esp [Version 3] 35 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp 36 The Bow of the Mongolian Horseman.esp 37 tkRapiers.esp 38 RealSwords - Argonian HI-NPC.esp 39 RealSwords - Bosmer HI-NPC.esp 3A RealSwords - Breton HI-NPC.esp 3B RealSwords - Goblin.esp 3C RealSwords - Khajiit HI-NPC v1.3.esp 3D RealSwords - Orc HI_NPC v1.0.esp 3E RealSwords - Redguard HI-NPC.esp 3F ExnemEC_Rogue01.esp 40 AncientTowers.esp 41 ExnemRuneskulls.esp ++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_TamrielicIngredients.esp [Version 0.9.9] 42 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp 43 Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp 44 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9] 45 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp ++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9] 46 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp 47 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9] 48 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34Beta3] 49 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] 4A FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9] 4B FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp [Version 0.9.8] 4C FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9] 4D Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp 4E FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] ++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] 4F Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] 50 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] 51 Mart's Monster Mod - Bats Addon.esp 52 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.5.5b4] 53 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] ++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9] 54 FCOM_VanillaItemReleveler.esp ++ TamrielTravellersFactionAll.esp ++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.36] 55 TamrielTravellers4000.esp [Version 1.36] ++ TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp ++ TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp ++ TamrielTravellersItemsUnscaled.esp 56 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp ++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9] 57 T.I.E4MODS.esp [Version 0.1] ++ T.I.E4OOO+FCOM.esp [Version 0.1] 58 Nightshade_Armor.esp 59 Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01] 5A bartholm.esp 5B Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1] 5C CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1] 5D 300_Artifacts.esp 5E 300_White Stallion 4.esp 5F 3_Numbers_v.1.0.esp 60 ArmoryLab.esp 61 Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp 62 Bjornheim.esp 63 castleofnight.esp 64 ChangeinManagement.esp 65 COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp 66 Darbinshire Keep.esp 67 DexwoodFamilySaga.esp 68 DJ Markov Manor.esp 69 Fort Ferrion.esp 6A GlenvarCastle.esp 6B GTAesgaard.esp 6C Hand of Dawn.esp 6D HauntedHouse.esp 6E HoarfrostCastle.esp 6F ICSewerDBsanctuary.esp 70 Lyn-StoriesFromTheSeaMod.esp 71 Mad Mike's Crypts of Cyrodiil.esp 72 NakedNord.esp 73 Nanaelas Heartbreak.esp 74 Pek_Halls_of_The_Phoenix_Order.esp 75 Quest For The Elements.esp 76 Raiders of Cyrodil.esp 77 Ruins of Aeris Zul.esp 78 Ruins of Tarnesia.esp [Version 1.0] 79 Spear_of_Bitter_Mercy.esp 7A Spirit's Edge.esp 7B sunk ships.esp 7C TempleoftheFullMoon.esp 7D The Ayleid Steps.esp 7E The_Dragon_Citadel-6178.esp 7F The_Tower_of_the_Lich_King-4492.esp 80 thievery.esp 81 Tomb of the Unknown Knight.esp 82 Treasure Maps Blood Ransom.esp 83 Treasure Maps_Boethia's Burden.esp 84 treasure maps captus demus.esp 85 Treasure_Maps_The_Legend_Of_Jauffres_Gold.esp 86 VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.4] 87 Village of Lily 2.0.esp 88 WellspringGrove.esp 89 WOTFH_1.3.esp 8A za_bankmod.esp 8B sir_balin_mod.esp 8C Knights.esp 8D Knights Patch.esp [Version -02] 8E Damarask.esp [Version 1.02] 8F The Lost Spires.esp 90 TOTF.esp 91 Ruin.esp [Version 2.50] 92 Mighty Umbra.esp 93 Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp [Version 1.4] 94 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp 95 Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 5.1] 96 The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp 97 MannimarcoComplete.esp ++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_Ruin.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9] 98 FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9] 99 FCOM_DulanCult.esp [Version 0.9.9] 9A Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp ++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9] 9B Kvatch Rebuilt.esp 9C FightersGuildContracts.esp 9D Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp 9E DEJ Harvest - Flora.esp 9F AutoBookPlacer_v2.esp A0 Cobl Hmm.esp ++ Essential_Trainers-8374.esp ++ Great Gate Essential NPC's.esp ++ GuilesNameReplace-Scrolls.esp ++ Light Elven Weapons and Mithril Armor.esp ++ NameReplacer-Clothing.esp ++ No Quest Items.esp A1 P1DkeyChain.esp ++ P1DkeyExtraMouseButton.esp A2 SA Social Alertness.esp A3 lorecreatures.esp A4 LCE-addon.esp A5 RealisticForceLow.esp A6 Enhanced Mercantile Progress.esp [Version 1.0a] A7 All+5AttributeModifiers.esp A8 Nanite's Legendary Alchemy.esp A9 Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp AA Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp AB Advanced Magecraft.esp AC CLS-AlchemyTools.esp AD Multiple Enchantments.esp ++ dyseso_Light_Ingred_Appar.esp AE 300ft_crime_detection-7319.esp AF Adrenaline-Fuelled Combat.esp B0 Locational Damage- Core.esp B1 Locational Damage- Effects.esp B2 Locational Damage- Accurate Armour Damage.esp B3 Enhanced_Hand_to_hand-2329.esp B4 Fiery Fists v1.2.esp B5 Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.esp B6 Better Hand to Hand.esp B7 No More Annoying Comments.esp B8 NoMerchantBarterChatter.esp B9 CM Partners.esp ++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp ++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp ++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp ++ Real Lava v1.2.esp ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] BA Willful Resistance.esp [Version 2.0] BB Duke Patricks Basic Denock Arrows.esp BC Bashed Patch, 0.esp ++ Potion Sorter v1.0 + Potions Recolored v0.2.1 - No Tweaks.esp ++ OBF Vampire Fix.esp ++ daywalkers_mod.esp ++ Pretty Elves.esp ++ Burns.esp ++ MerchantsBuyYourClutter 1.1.esp ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse NPC faces.esp ++ better lights.esp ++ OBF Doubled Ranged Magic Speed.esp ++ WellspringGroveZahrashaBook.esp ++ Loadies_vol_01.esp ++ Adoring Fan Respawn Disabler v100.esp [Version 1.00] ++ Shadow's Horse Wander Fix v1.2.esp ++ master_essentials.esp ++ Bandits to Brigands.esp ++ Goblin shaman overhaul.esp ++ Essential_Unicorn-3157.esp ++ Weightless Ring of Silence.esp ++ Less Weightless Items.esp ++ Respawning SI Amber & Madness Ore.esp ++ Unlimited_Adventures_v1.3.esp ++ The_Student_Mod-3069.esp ++ No_More_Quest_Items-4810.esp ++ zom813 - Your Unkillable Horses 1.0.esp ++ Lyn-LessGodlikeBoundItems.esp ++ Lyn-SweetLittleMudCrabs.esp ++ Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer BETA.esp BD BXX Blue Flame.esp BE BXX Island of Arennis.esp BF Advanced Fletching.esp C0 Adventurers_1.0.esp C1 Angelic Alliance.esp C2 Annoying messages begone!.esp C3 AutoSheath.esp C4 AyleidTreasury.esp C5 bloodscorncastle.esp C6 BoneMaster.esp C7 BookQuest.esp C8 2367-1.0-Borderless Cyrodiil-TESSource.esp C9 CyrodiilsLastHope.esp CA Damage Text v2.esp ++ dbpoisonapple.esp CB DarkReign_The Discovery.esp CC Drekin's Keep 2.3.esp CD Duke Patricks - Bob and Weave Dodge Mark II.esp CE Duke Patricks - Smash of the Titans.esp CF EnchantmentRemoval.esp D0 FCOM_NewItemsTemplate.esp [Version 0.9.4] D1 Fort Baltsine.esp D2 GalerionTrueUnarmored-v20.esp D3 Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp D4 Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esp D5 HauntedHouse v1.4.esp D6 JaySuSHarmonyIslandModV11.esp D7 Julianos Priory.esp D8 Labyrinth.esp D9 Legends Baleful Eye.esp DA Life_Translated-2681.esp DB Master-Crafting-1.0-Beta-MMM.esp DC Netherworld01.esp DD NoObsoleteEnemies.esp DE OBF Bandit Fix.esp DF OBF Marksman Fix.esp E0 OS Artifacts.esp [Version 1.0] E1 Pirates Grave V1.1.esp E2 Platinum Armor and Weapons.esp E3 Polearms.esp E4 PotR.esp E5 Quest Award Leveling_v1_6.esp E6 Ramy Monster.esp E7 RegionalBounty.esp E8 Restore_Health_Enchantment-8830.esp E9 RightingtheWrongs.esp EA Ring of the Assassin.esp EB Ruins of Nalcarum.esp EC Sagerbliv RareItems v20.esp ED Salmo The Baker v2.0.esp [Version 2.06] EE SewerExpansion-Bravil.esp EF SewerExpansion-Cheydinhal.esp ++ Annoying fan.esp ++ arrow_speed.esp ++ BeautifulJensine.esp ++ Better Torches.esp ++ BetterCoins.esp ++ biger_trolls_and_ogres-2604.esp ++ EyjaFaceFixed.esp ++ Hands And Feet.esp ++ Health_Spell_Cost-2088.esp ++ JewelryEnchantmentFixes.esp ++ Lyn-BiggerBearsAndBoars.esp ++ More Lockpicks.esp ++ NoHelms.esp ++ nomoreflicker.esp ++ OBF 2-Handed Weapon Fix.esp ++ OBF Clutter Fix.esp ++ OBF Daedra Fix.esp ++ OBF Enchant Fix.esp ++ OBF Fathis Aren Fix.esp ++ OBF Quest Item Fix.esp ++ Sagerbliv Weapons v20.esp ++ Unlimited Torches.esp ++ Weightless_Arrows-9515.esp ++ Weightless_Repair_Hammers-7731.esp F0 The SilverDragonArmorQuest.esp F1 TolawaylAyleidCity_Quest.esp F2 Tumbderdon.esp F3 VeridiusInvestigations.esp F4 Water Nymphs.esp F5 WolfPacks.esp F6 Wondrous_Inventory_v091.esp F7 WoodNymph.esp F8 Absolutely_Sexy_Jensine.esp F9 AddisHeadhunterMod EV.esp FA AC_ModM701.esp FB Duke Patricks - Momentum Lite Damage Bonus.esp ++ no_wind-2578.esp FC Ravengoldplugin.esp This is what I'm currently running. **means it's virtually active in Bashed Patch' ++means it's merged into Bashed Patch.

I'm running 357 mods. 253 mods, 104 merged into the batched patch. I've since hooked back up Operation Optimization, it IS helping out. The mesh mistakes aren't it's fault. I had to uninstall Streamline 3.0 as it started causing problems even more. The thing is with both Streamlines is that if I sharply move the 'camera' up, it sticks and often crashes, if I sharply move it anywhere else it just sticks and streamsaves. Still, annoying as hell. Without it? No crashes or even coming close. Bye bye Streamline. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

geez. I get confused with so many alike sounding mods...I meant Operation Optimization. Thing is, I've just uninstalled it as well. A lot of these 'fixer uppers' were designed for low end machines, and mine is not low end by any means. When I go through a mod I JUST DOWNLOADED and installed 100% correctly and there's a few missing meshes, something isn't right. I'd just downloaded the Haunted House quest mod, and there was a couple of walls missing at one point. geez.

lol. for some reason I was wincing,expecting abuse not agreement. Yes, Streamline 3.1 seems too problematic to use. I'm going to go back and try Streamline 3.0. If I have the same problems, I'll just do without the series altogether.

Last week, I put Streamline 3.1 into Oblivion. It would often do "streamsaves" which was apparently an attempt on it's part to fix something. It was supposed to help performance. Did it? nope. Instead it seemed to be causing far too many 'streamsaves' that would have course annoy my gameplaying experience. I seemed to be having 'sticky' animations far too damned often. This morning, I removed it. Haven't had one lick of trouble nor those pesky mini freezes. The reason I bring it up here in mod troubleshooting, is that Streamline is one of those recommended to improve performance, yet it doesn't do it's job and instead causes needless problems. I'm now leery about even going back to Streamline 3.0, as I'm now jaded at the whole mod. I rarely see any of us recommend Oblivion Optimization, and that mod DOES do it's job quietly and well.

It took a while, but finally more people are adding more silly suggestions of their own. Before, other posters were few and far between. Thanks, people.

When you unzipped the file did you unzip ALL of the file or only the plugin? Did you move the meshes and textures and maybe sound folders that came with the downloads into your data folder too? If not, you need to.

It wouldn't hurt if it was a medieval themed mafia. The Mafia is a crime organization, right? What the hell is the Thieves Guild? Don't think I'm judging. My wife had to point that out to me as I too was against it. If the organization didn't have modern weapons, I'm against all guns in Oblivion except middle ages types, then it would be fine. perhaps the mafia can be using the old protection racket against merchants and vendors..pay up or something bad'll happen to you. The thieves, muggers, bandits, etal might have to pay a portion of their illgotten gains just to operate. Bootlegging Skooma could be another aspect. I don't foresee a Falstead Act prohibiting alcohol in Oblivion however, so this might not work. IF mafia is a too modern sounding term, La Cosa Nostra would be a good alternative. Street gambling using dice or cards would be ok, as long as it isn't the modern versions of poker or craps. What goes clip-clop, clip-clop, bang, bang, clip-clop, clip-clop? An Amish driveby.

61) Female Body Replacer (underwear) granny panties. "Don't bend over in the garden, granny. YOu know them taters have eyes." 62) Semi Trucks- Tired of hoofing it or riding it from one place to another? Now you can drive there in style. Comes equipped with dipping tobacco and ungodly smell. 63) M4 Abrams Tank and Panzerkampfwagon Tiger 2's!!! Want to be the terror of the roads? squash those annoying characters with your own WW 2 vintage tanks. 64) More wildlife- Squirrels chattering in trees, shiny object thieving raccoons, owls, opossums, skunks, 65) New Immersive music!! Now, every time you meet a female NPC, classic porno music starts up! bom, bom, chicka, bomp.

There's just so many that aren't included in the FCOm list. Why? there's far too many mods out there. It's too daunting a task for one guy to compile them all. I'm trying to see about helping the guy out.

56) Goblin Witchdoctor toilet paper.....Don't squeeze the Shaman!! 57) Ring of Infinite Stupidity- Now when prompted with quest dialogue, your response is "duh (drool)". This is a must for those who just hate reading. 58) Never Ending Quest of opening doors- Inspired by various Runescape quests I've been through, this quest never ends. A dungeon filled with door after door all with promise of something great at the end. In the meantime, as you're opening the doors, you'll be randomly whisked away to do some meaningless favor for no apparent reason(also a pull on Runescape's random event overload). Your curiousity is peaked by the end of this endless quest...until you open a door into your prize...a portable door!. From this, you can then collect an item of no redeeming value for every NPC in existence ever created for Oblivion. Each item finish prompts you to have to go to the next NPC and so on. After final completion of this, sometime in 2020, you'll be Transported to the realm of infinite doors for the quest for the Ultimate Prize!!! A house filled with doors!!!...endless fun...Of course, each door is a portal to another meaningless fetch quest inspired of course by Runescape. :wallbash: 59) merchant/pioneer caravans. Inspired by the Louis L' Amour NON WESTERN book, The Walking Drum, this caravan, banded together for mutual protection, offers various merchants and entertainers that travel from one city to the other. Filled with carnival and circus like entertainment as well as bards, this caravan fights it's way through villain infested wilderness daily in the hopes of higher profit. Also, these caravans are also centers for great intellectual advancement between provinces as it carries ideas forward. Quests can abound from such an entity, as well as mutual protection for your own forays. You can hire yourself out for a cut of the profits as either a merchant or guard or both. As it travels, it marches to the rhythmic beating of a drum. As the Walking Drum was set in then enlightened Muslim dominated parts of Europe for a large part, the Persian Race mod would fit in nicely. 60) Gigantic waving arms balloons outside merchant stalls!!! yes, what better to draw a person's attention than these annoying piles of garbage? Once again, 1 of the 5 is a real idea. Can you spot the real one?

That's why I specified 'what works for you". Not everyone's tastes are the same. I don't expect everyone to follow a formulated order, but to have a good idea of what load orders should look like. I know I borrowed quite a bit of mod info off of other's posted Load orders. I'd see it and go "I wonder what that does?" All the load orders were unintentional, meaning they weren't there to serve as an example, but for others to try and find faults with them. Also, my load order reflects a wierd tendency to find as many bashed patch mergeables as possible. THere's 103 in mine so far. It's sort of a project I'm doing for myself, to see just how far I can go with it. I know there's noone else who has compiled a list of all the mergeables. I've even thought about creating packages of them for others to DL, but I'll have to reapply for membership here again when I've the extra money. Mine also has another wierd tendency. I experiment to see if the mods do just what they're supposed to. For instance, I recently changed "more books teach" to "The_Student_Mod". Why? More books teach seldom wants to work, a fact I should have recalled from months ago. I'm now trying the other out to see if it's more reliable. I've also entered a sort of agreement with Random007 to try and find all those "unknown" mods not included in the FCOM helper f_order_list. How can 1 man keep up with all these mods when there is probably over 18, 000 in existence?

00 Oblivion.esm 01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm 02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm 03 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm 04 Children Of Rourken.esm 05 Jog_X_Mod.esm 06 CM Partners.esm 07 Inventory Tracker.esm 08 Qarls_Harvest.esm 09 Tamrielic Ingredients.esm 0A Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34Beta3] 0B Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.6beta2] 0C TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.36] 0D Armamentarium.esm 0E Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm 0F FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7] 10 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm 11 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0] 12 Adrenaline Locational Masterfile.esm 13 Alchemical Formulas.esm 14 SewerExpansion.esm ** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp ** TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp ++ HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp 15 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0] 16 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 17 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch-MOBS-FCOM.esp [Version 1.4.0] 18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp 19 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp 1A Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp 1B Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp ++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9] 1C FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9] 1D Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp 1E Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp 1F Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp ++ Louder Nirnroot Sound.esp ++ Symphony of Violence.esp 20 PCSoundRhett.esp [Version 2.6] ++ QuietFeet.esp 21 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp ++ 300_Random_Clutter.esp 22 BookTrackerOBSE.esp ++ Brighter_Torches.esp ++ FGPorter_nofollow.esp 23 Qarls_Harvest.esp ** Rational Names, 2.esp [Version 2-04] ++ shiveringislesdoorusable.esp 24 Harvest[Containers].esp 25 Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp 26 Living Economy.esp 27 Living Economy - Items.esp 28 Landmarks, w Wells.esp [Version 1.10] 29 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp 2A ArmamentariumVendors.esp 2B CapesandCloaks.esp ++ Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp 2C DMACArmor.esp 2D Dreadweave Complete_Heavy.esp 2E Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp 2F KDCirclets.esp 30 KDClothCirclets.esp 31 Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp 32 New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp 33 SentientWeapon.esp [Version 3] 34 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp 35 The Bow of the Mongolian Horseman.esp 36 tkRapiers.esp 37 RealSwords - Argonian HI-NPC.esp 38 RealSwords - Bosmer HI-NPC.esp 39 RealSwords - Breton HI-NPC.esp 3A RealSwords - Goblin.esp 3B RealSwords - Khajiit HI-NPC v1.3.esp 3C RealSwords - Orc HI_NPC v1.0.esp 3D RealSwords - Redguard HI-NPC.esp 3E ExnemEC_Rogue01.esp 3F AncientTowers.esp 40 ExnemRuneskulls.esp ++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_TamrielicIngredients.esp [Version 0.9.9] 41 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp 42 Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp 43 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9] 44 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp ++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9] 45 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp 46 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9] 47 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp 48 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] 49 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9] 4A FCOM_OscurosOverhaul.esp [Version 0.9.8] 4B FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9] 4C Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp 4D FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] 4E Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] 4F Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] 50 Mart's Monster Mod - Bats Addon.esp 51 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] 52 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] ++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9] 53 FCOM_VanillaItemReleveler.esp ++ TamrielTravellersFactionAll.esp ++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.36] 54 TamrielTravellers4000.esp [Version 1.36] ++ TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp ++ TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp ++ TamrielTravellersItemsUnscaled.esp 55 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp ++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9] 56 T.I.E4MODS.esp [Version 0.1] ++ T.I.E4OOO+FCOM.esp [Version 0.1] 57 Nightshade_Armor.esp 58 Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01] 59 bartholm.esp 5A Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1] 5B CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1] 5C 300_Artifacts.esp 5D 3_Numbers_v.1.0.esp 5E Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp 5F A Son's Revenge 2.0.esp 60 castleofnight.esp 61 ChangeinManagement.esp 62 COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp 63 Darbinshire Keep.esp 64 DexwoodFamilySaga.esp 65 DJ Markov Manor.esp 66 Fort Falkenshire.esp 67 GlenvarCastle.esp 68 GTAesgaard.esp 69 Hand of Dawn.esp 6A HauntedHouse.esp 6B HoarfrostCastle.esp 6C ICSewerDBsanctuary.esp 6D Lyn-StoriesFromTheSeaMod.esp 6E Mad Mike's Crypts of Cyrodiil.esp 6F Malevolent.esp 70 NakedNord.esp 71 Nanaelas Heartbreak.esp 72 Pek_Halls_of_The_Phoenix_Order.esp 73 Quest For The Elements.esp 74 Raiders of Cyrodil.esp 75 Ruins of Aeris Zul.esp 76 Ruins of Tarnesia.esp [Version 1.0] 77 Spear_of_Bitter_Mercy.esp 78 sunk ships.esp 79 TempleoftheFullMoon.esp 7A The Ayleid Steps.esp 7B The_Dragon_Citadel-6178.esp 7C The_Tower_of_the_Lich_King-4492.esp 7D thievery.esp 7E Tomb of the Unknown Knight.esp 7F Torynwyll.esp 80 VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.4] 81 Village of Lily 2.0.esp 82 WeatherWizard.esp 83 WellspringGrove.esp 84 WOTFH_1.3.esp 85 za_bankmod.esp 86 sir_balin_mod.esp 87 Knights.esp 88 The Lost Spires.esp 89 TOTF.esp 8A Ruin.esp [Version 2.50] 8B Mighty Umbra.esp 8C Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp [Version 1.4] 8D Blood&Mud.esp 8E Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp 8F Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 5.1] 90 The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp 91 MannimarcoComplete.esp ++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9] 92 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_Ruin.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9] 93 FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9] 94 FCOM_DulanCult.esp [Version 0.9.9] 95 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp ++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9] 96 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp ++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp 97 FightersGuildContracts.esp 98 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp 99 DEJ Harvest - Flora.esp 9A AutoBookPlacer_v2.esp ++ Essential_Trainers-8374.esp ++ Great Gate Essential NPC's.esp ++ GuilesNameReplace-Scrolls.esp 9B Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp [Version 2.0.5] ++ Light Elven Weapons and Mithril Armor.esp ++ NameReplacer-Clothing.esp ++ No Quest Items.esp 9C Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp [Version 1.1.0] 9D P1DkeyChain.esp ++ P1DkeyExtraMouseButton.esp 9E RealisticForceLow.esp 9F Enhanced Mercantile Progress.esp [Version 1.0a] A0 All+5AttributeModifiers.esp A1 Nanite's Legendary Alchemy.esp A2 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp A3 SpellDeflection.esp A4 Advanced Magecraft.esp A5 Multiple Enchantments.esp ++ dyseso_Light_Ingred_Appar.esp A6 300ft_crime_detection-7319.esp A7 Adrenaline-Fuelled Combat.esp A8 Locational Damage- Core.esp A9 Locational Damage- Effects.esp AA Locational Damage- Accurate Armour Damage.esp AB Enhanced_Hand_to_hand-2329.esp AC Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.esp AD Better Hand to Hand.esp AE No More Annoying Comments.esp AF NoMerchantBarterChatter.esp ++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp ++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp ++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp ++ Real Lava v1.2.esp ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.6Beta2] B0 Willful Resistance.esp [Version 2.0] B1 Bashed Patch, 0.esp B2 Streamline 3.1.esp ++ Pretty Elves.esp ++ Burns.esp ++ MerchantsBuyYourClutter 1.1.esp ++ JewelryEnchantmentFixes.esp ++ EyjaFaceFixed.esp ++ NoHelms.esp ++ More Lockpicks.esp ++ arrow_speed.esp ++ Weightless_Arrows-9515.esp ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse NPC faces.esp ++ OBF 2-Handed Weapon Fix.esp ++ Weightless_Repair_Hammers-7731.esp B3 Dwemer Dungeon v2.4.esp ++ better lights.esp ++ OBF Doubled Ranged Magic Speed.esp B4 Advanced Fletching.esp ++ OBF Fathis Aren Fix.esp ++ Better Torches.esp B5 300_White Stallion 4_1.esp B6 AC_ModM701.esp B7 AddisHeadhunterMod EV.esp B8 AdenseEpicModBU1.esp B9 CyrodiilsLastHope.esp BA DarkReign_The Discovery.esp ++ Unlimited Torches.esp BB TolawaylAyleidCity_Quest.esp BC The_Lost_Temple_2-3004.esp BD VeridiusInvestigations.esp BE RightingtheWrongs.esp BF Adventurers_1.0.esp C0 Angelic Alliance.esp C1 Water Nymphs.esp C2 WoodNymph.esp C3 Alchemical Formulas - Basic Equipment.esp C4 300_Caldera.esp ++ BeautifulJensine.esp ++ WellspringGroveZahrashaBook.esp ++ OBF Clutter Fix.esp ++ BetterCoins.esp C5 Tumbderdon.esp C6 The SilverDragonArmorQuest.esp C7 The_Naked_Elf-3229.esp C8 Annoying messages begone!.esp C9 Platinum Armor and Weapons.esp CA Cherydinhal Murder quest v2.0.esp CB Polearms.esp CC Sagerbliv RareItems v20.esp CD AutoSheath.esp CE OBF Marksman Fix.esp CF AyleidTreasury.esp D0 Bazoras tomb.esp D1 bloodscorncastle.esp D2 FCOM_NewItemsTemplate.esp [Version 0.9.4] D3 Ramy Monster.esp D4 Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esp D5 OBF Bandit Fix.esp D6 OBF Creature Fix.esp D7 Tamrielic_Ingredients.esp D8 Ruins of Nalcarum.esp D9 JaySuSHarmonyIslandModV11.esp DA Restore_Health_Enchantment-8830.esp DB Julianos Priory.esp DC Master-Crafting-1.0-Beta-MMM.esp DD Netherworld01.esp DE NoObsoleteEnemies.esp DF Oblivion Gate Markers.esp E0 Pirates Grave V1.1.esp E1 BXX Island of Arennis.esp E2 Damage Text v2.esp ++ Sagerbliv Weapons v20.esp E3 Salmo The Baker v2.0.esp [Version 2.06] E4 RegionalBounty.esp E5 Ring of the Assassin.esp E6 Prequel01.esp E7 ABloodyNight.esp E8 BookQuest.esp E9 Drekin's Keep 2.3.esp EA Race Alduran.esp EB BXX Blue Flame.esp EC Evantal's Dual Wielding.esp ED EnchantmentRemoval.esp EE Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp EF GalerionTrueUnarmored-v20.esp F0 Labyrinth.esp F1 Legends Baleful Eye.esp F2 Life_Translated-2681.esp ++ OBF Quest Item Fix.esp ++ Andrews_No_Quest_Items-6729.esp F3 Welkynd_Transformation-9485.esp ++ OBF Enchant Fix.esp F4 PotR.esp ++ OBF Daedra Fix.esp ++ Annoying fan.esp ++ nomoreflicker.esp ++ Hands And Feet.esp ++ Lyn-BiggerBearsAndBoars.esp ++ OMP-NewClasses.esp ++ biger_trolls_and_ogres-2604.esp F5 BoneMaster.esp ++ Health_Spell_Cost-2088.esp F6 Quest Award Leveling_v1_6.esp ++ dbpoisonapple.esp F7 SewerExpansion-Bravil.esp F8 SewerExpansion-Cheydinhal.esp ++ Loadies_vol_01.esp ++ Adoring Fan Respawn Disabler v100.esp [Version 1.00] ++ Shadow's Horse Wander Fix v1.2.esp ++ master_essentials.esp ++ Bandits to Brigands.esp ++ Goblin shaman overhaul.esp ++ Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp ++ Essential_Unicorn-3157.esp F9 Absolutely_Sexy_Jensine.esp ++ Potion Sorter v1.0 + Potions Recolored v0.2.1.esp FA SM Hand Combat.esp [Version 0.5] FB WolfPacks.esp ++ Weightless Ring of Silence.esp ++ Less Weightless Items.esp ++ Slow Arena Combatants.esp ++ Respawning SI Amber & Madness Ore.esp FC 2367-1.0-Borderless Cyrodiil-TESSource.esp FD Wondrous_Inventory_v091.esp ++ Unlimited_Adventures_v1.3.esp ++ The_Student_Mod-3069.esp ++ No_More_Quest_Items-4810.esp

What this thread is: A place to post your currently working load orders. The best way to get a list is to use Wrye Bash's List mods function by rightclicking 'file" at the top, then selecting list mods. There are others I'm sure, but this is the easiest I've found. Also using FCOM helper to put everything in the correct load order firsthand you'll have a good list to follow. What it does: This will be a beacon saying "Here be working load orders". I know none are 'perfect' but post what works for you. This thread will also serve as a resource of what I'm trying to help Random007 do in compiling more up to date load orders. A new player or slightly experienced one can have a place to go. Don't bother: Posting the FCOM expanded load order or basic load order lists from that site. This is to put in complete load orders, not those only dealing with FCOM. For instance: It says put 'quests' here...what quests? Which ones? Besides, here's a link to those as well as a guide for FCOM Convergence: http://devnull.devakm.googlepages.com/convergence (FCOM Convergence help) http://devnull.devakm.googlepages.com/fcomloadorder (Basic load order) http://devnull.devakm.googlepages.com/fcomloadorderexpanded (expanded load order) Also: If you've got a great load order of someone else's from another source, go ahead and post it here but give the credit to the source. What I hope: That this thread becomes 'stickied" so players can easily see it at the top of a page. In truth, I think it would do better at the top of both Oblivion Mod Talk AND Mod Troubleshooting. If you would like to add comments explaining just why a certain one is in a certain position, this would be helpful and a useful tool for FCOM helper to determine future load orders. In short: Thank you to all who post their load orders and advice on this thread. Who knows? This may lower the amount of people asking for help. .....probably not. **If you change/tweak your load order in a different way from the one you first posted here, simply go to THAT post and make the changes. Best way is to copy and paste over the original. ++ When this is in front of a mod in the list, this means it is merged into Wrye Bash's Bashed Patch. This is one mod that can carry the work of hundreds. ** When this is in front of a mod in the list, this means it is integrated into the Bashed Patch. This means the mod is virtually active only through the Bashed Patch. ####Message. There are a lot of mods that aren't "mods". By this I mean they don't have esm's or esp's. However, you can still make an OMOD out of them. I'll try to list a few, and would appreciate any help of others I don't know about. A few of these type DO count toward your final mod total and I would really appreciate knowing which ones do. 1- Immersive Interface 2- DARNufied UI 3- DARKufied UI 4- Oblivion Optimization 5- Seph's Hand to hand animation 6- Female Eye Candy 7- Most Music Compilations 8- Those dealing only with textures or meshes 9- Most loading screens 10- Better Ring Replacer 11-Coloured Enemy health desaturated 12- Dual Wield Stance 13-BTMod 14-Official Oblivion patch 15-Official SI Patch 16-Female Body Replacer (nude) 17-Female Body Replacer (underwear) 18-GetUPanime replacer 19-Hairy Bush 20-Hand to Hand animation fix 21-Unique Features 22-Elven Map Redux 23-Interactive Map of Cyrodiil

more black than red? That sounds like an exe. Exe's are "self extractors". Simply click on it, and it'll start. Some, depending on just what you're trying to implement, ask for instructions as you're going through it. Tell me what the downloads is/are. If it's an exe, it can't be anything but Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul, Francesco's, Oblivion patch, SI patch, Unofficial Oblivion patch, Unofficial SI patch, Immersive Interface, BTmod...those are the ones I can think of off the top of my sleepy head.

Nice, I'm not much into realism mods of this sort but if that one works like you say, then I'm reconsidering. I may just go ahead and get that one. Why do those other mods annoy people with constant 'need to eat' and need to drink messages? Geez, I don't eat every two minutes to stay alive in real life.

51-an improvement over my silly suggestion of missle launchers...atomic bombs...simply get a dragon to do a flyover and don't ever worry about that part of the map 52-An addon to "Sexlivion"....venereal diseases. This is a must for those realism nuts 53- New outfit...pants that hang below your butt. Look just like the latest criminal in prison! Show everyone your ASSets!! 54- City bards and town criers. The bards hang out at busy intersections singing songs of Oblivion and Morrowind lore. The Town Criers rush from town to town spreading the latest news, of which the player's latest exploits are often repeated. Also, coaches and wagons are now part of the landscape. Highwaymen will actually have people to ply their trade on. This would be fun for thief characters to play at for a while..stickup artists. 55- New class: Mime- Now you can bring these living annoyances into the game. Go from town to town getting booed and ridiculed! do the 'climbing a rope' til someone throws something at you. Once again, 1 out of the 5 is a REAL idea. See if you can guess which one.

Right click the file. Go to 7 zip. Go to Extract archive move all to data folder.

A prayer from a Paladin with Tourettes: Yea, verily, we are (Son of a B***h, c***s***ing)gathered here today to praise(s**t, M*********ing, damn)god in all his (Pi**cutting, piece of F***ing filth) glory. Let us(insert generic cursing here)join hands.

Ode from a stuttering bard: Wh, wh, when my l-l-l-l ove is bd, bd, bd t-true I won't be bl, bl, bl blue I'll j-j-j ust sing my little t-t-t une and....(stuttering bard now unconscious after being hit in the head with rotted fruit)

46- Pompeii effect- Entire game buried under ash...what will archaelogists find thousands of years from now? a Brett Favre Daedric Shrine? Hope they don't misinterpret it as "proof that they were an advanced race who deified football players"that when he was in college was a fall down drunk(saw him dancing with a pole once at local bar) 47- Shetland ponies- What game wouldn't be complete without these biting, snarling, stomping (when I was 5 and already an experienced rider, one bucked me off and stomped on my stomach, it was 5 minutes befoe I could speak), animals who generally just eat and poop? 48- Travel rations for those that use realistic eating and sleeping mods- with this you can explore the wilderness at your leisure, probably consists of trail mix, dried fruits and berries, and perhaps beef jerky...great, now I want some beef jerky and all nearby stores are closed) are refillable waterskins out of the question? 49- Realistic modern merchants-an addon that puts merchants based on today's workers. They don't know where anything is and mostly just stand around playing with the merchandise. Acts ticked when you bother them to do their jobs. yeah, I know there's good ones out there, but we already have reasonable merchants..this'll just add realism 50- Missle launchers- why go through the good time and trouble of taking creatures out the 'hard way" when you can sit back in a city and blow their caves to hell and back? Once again, one is a real idea..see if you can guess which one?

46- more wolves,crabs, and rats....really I can't get enough of these.....geez 47-cows and chickens- What's missing? these are. 48- A dungeon filled with cheer and peace and love!! Dare you enter the Elven Paradise of sheer Boredom!!! 49- Purple Oblivion. Everything in it is purple...no more will you have to worry about the dreaded missing mesh or texture turning a bridge or rock or the whole ground purple...Now the whole thing is purple...mesh mistakes will cause items to have different colors. 50- Even more realistic sewers...I, for one, always wonder why human waste doesn't rain down from above while under a grate from overhead. Now, this will make sewers more realistic!!! Sludge Monsters could result as a mutation!!!...don't ask me what it drops when dead. As everyone who has read my silly suggestions knows, I put one good idea in every five. Can you guess which one it is?