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Basicly parts of the world act as though light is not cast on them. I had this same problem with oblivion, although much less noticable. Here is an example. Right; http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5107/screenshot3vw.png Wrong; http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8637/screenshot2vd.png All I need to do is change my view angle and it goes away. This occurs all the bleeding time, inside/outside, with shadows enabled or not, all lighting settings, seems worst in darker areas and areas with dust. Aside from that, there is no pattern I can find. Totally immersion breaking though. Cookies for answers.

Hiya. Love this game, but got frustrated with the terrible performance I had on vista, set up a dual boot for XP, it crashed, and for some reason I could never re install XP onto the sata drive again. Went and got Windows 7, and I have to say that I am getting a huge performance boost over vista (likely since my 64 bit OS is now using all my ram) and thought I would finally be able to actually get into the game without being driven insane with the game running like crap. Anyway, here is the story. As Windows 7 registry didn't have Oblivion I simply reinstalled into the same directory I was already installed to. I assumed it overwrote all the default files so I dropped SI, the patch and the fanpatch on top of it. It occured to me that I could have simply installed oblivion elswhere then changed the registry... about three seconds after I clicked install. Fired up wyrebash and everything seems to work pretty near perfectly. Pretty near. I had doubles of all the races in the char select screen, so I figured I would toss the beautiful people mod I grab a new race kit, so I also tossed elaborate eyes. Somehow removing all race modifying mods gave me googlyeyes. This is one small problem, but I expect to have it fixed when I settle on a new race package (that beautiful elves looks good). Another thing is I get rain sound effects when the sky is coudy but no rain. I have used several different weather mods over the time I played this game, but I have removed them all fo rthis run, and I still get the same behavior. The real oddity is my char seems to be running WAY too fast and jumping way too far for a lvl 1. Speed and acrobatics are proper for the lvl, and if I am already running as fast as my toon used to at max speed it will be unplayable when I get those stats with the new character. On the one hand I would like to nuke my entire oblivion folder and start clean, but there are two major reasons I don't want to do that. One is FCOM, it takes a long ass time to download all the parts and put it together. The other is all the tweaks I have made to the UI. I don't remember exaclty how I did it, being almost a year ago I think, but I got darnifued ui blue in game, a seperate style completely for loading screens, and different text for the quotes as well. I suppose I will eventually have to redo Oblivion now that I have a better idea how that data files work (I think remnants of a thousand dead mods may be found in those subfolders... a dark scary place indeed) Anyway... here is my mod list, if anything here might explain why my characters movements are so super fast please lemme know. Thanks for any and all replies. 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm 02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm 03 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.71] 04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34] 05 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b1] 06 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c] 07 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7] 08 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.3] 09 Artifacts.esm 0A Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.4] 0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp 0C Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0] ++ MOBS.esp [Version 1.2.2a] ++ MOBS SI.esp [Version 1.2.2a] 0D Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp 0E Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp ++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp ++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9] 0F FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9] 10 Fran Armor Add-on.esp 11 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp ** LoadingScreens.esp ++ Better_Water-1830.esp 12 AliveWaters.esp 13 AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp 14 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp 15 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp ++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76] 16 P1DmenuEscape.esp 17 PrivateQuarters.esp 18 ShowHideAmulet.esp 19 Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete v1.0.esp 1A DLCHorseArmor.esp 1B DLCOrrery.esp 1C DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3] 1D DLCVileLair.esp 1E DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] 1F DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 20 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] 21 DLCSpellTomes.esp ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] ++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp 22 AyleidFiringa.esp ++ ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp 23 Thieves Arsenal.esp 24 XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp ++ Armamentium female.esp 25 Slof's Horses Base.esp 26 Slof's Extra Horses.esp 27 DLCThievesDen.esp 28 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] 29 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4] 2A ExnemRuneskulls.esp ++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9] 2B Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp 2C Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.69] 2D Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] 2E OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] 2F FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9] 30 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp 31 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9] 32 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp ++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9] 33 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp 34 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9] 35 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34] 36 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.3] 37 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2] 38 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9] 39 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b1] 3A Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b1] ++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c] 3B TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c] 3C TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c] 3D TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c] 3E ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c] ++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9] 3F FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9] 40 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9] 41 TIE In.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - Cobl.esp [Version 1.2b] 42 TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - RealSwords.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - MMM Craft.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 1.2b] 43 Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 0.18] ++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.0] ++ Fransfemale.esp 44 KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp [Version 1.2] ++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] ++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp ++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp 45 AlchemistsCave-COBL.esp 46 Artifacts.esp ++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 0.20] 47 Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp 48 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 49 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] 4A DLCFrostcrag.esp 4B DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] 4C Knights.esp 4D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9] ++ EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp ++ TIE In - Knights.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9] 4E Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp [Version 1.1.0] ++ FCOM_FighterGUnited.esp ++ FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9] 4F Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] 50 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] 51 Birthsigns Expanded.esp [Version 2.] 52 EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp 53 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00] 54 Quest Award Leveling SI.esp 55 Quest Award Leveller.esp ++ Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp ++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp ++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp ++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp ++ TIE In - DLCOrrery.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - DLCThievesDen.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 1.2b] 56 RealisticForceMedium.esp 57 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89] 58 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86] ++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80] ++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89] ++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89] ++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86] 59 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80] ++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70] ++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84] ++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83] 5A MidasSpells.esp 5B Enchantment and Spellmaking improvment - FCOM & SM.esp 5C EnchantmentRestore.esp ++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp 5D StealthOverhaul.esp 5E Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp 5F Kobu's Personality Enhancer.esp 60 Kobu's 3x Slower Skills Mod.esp 61 Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp [Version 1.0.1] ++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76] ++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.76] ++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp 62 MRP - Cant Equip Item.esp 63 MRP - Horse stabled outside gate.esp 64 MRP - Not enough charge.esp 65 MRP - You find nothing of use.esp ++ _No__persistant_enchantment_glow_fix-1843.esp ++ Detect Life Shader [New].esp ++ Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53] 66 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01] 67 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Solved. The problem was the continueing oblivion gates. I downloaded reopen oblivion gates and manually combined the scripts for random gate behavior from that and my map marker remover and they all work perfectly.

Good tips, all of them. In my case, I am already following said advice. I have an XP OS solely for oblivion, no internet connections or backround applications, my load order seems to be fine as I only encounter said glitch with my main char and only when I save in an area added by a mod. My new char has gone through several of the areas my main encountered the crashes in without trouble, so I am almost certain my problem lies with the particular character. Is there a superior utility to update saves for new masters? I have tried all save fixes included with wyrebash, and nothing has solved it yet.

It now seems less likely that my load order is the problem. I started a new character and took her to several of the places that crashed on save with my main, and had zero problems. Even finished a few new quests and areas. Which begs the question, is there a utiity for updating saves to a new mod list? OOO has one but I somehow think that will be insufficient to fix my main char save.

Bad? As far as I can tell my load order follows your guidelines. What do you see out of place?

I am gonna bump this, as I am having the same issue. So far I only notice this problem when saving in a new area, but that may just be because I am playing in new areas.

Hiya. Yer standard copy pasta may not help me specificly, but it warms me heart to know that ye still try to help people. I have noticed that I seem to have this problem when saving in any new areas. So aside from not using mods that add areas to the game, I was hoping for a specific solution to this error.

I just re installed oblivion and all the mods I have fresh. I used boss to sort my load order, though I since moved lost spires down the list to load after all other quest mods. Problem is it crashes pretty much whenever I save it inside the first spire. I do not use autosave, but stream saves and manual saves both seem to crash it. Here is my mod list, if ye know what could cause this yer wisom would be appreciated. Active Mod Files: 00 Oblivion.esm 01 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0] 02 AWS-Core.esm 03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm 04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm 05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.71] 06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34] 07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b1] 08 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c] 09 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7] 0A Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.3] 0B Artifacts.esm 0C CM Partners.esm 0D HorseCombatMaster.esm 0E HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp 0F bloody.esp 10 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0] 11 DLCShiveringIsles.esp 12 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0] 13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp 14 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp ++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp ++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9] 15 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9] 16 Fran Armor Add-on.esp 17 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp 18 LoadingScreens.esp ++ AWS-ShiveringIsles.esp 19 Enhanced Water v2.0 ND.esp 1A AliveWaters.esp 1B AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp 1C AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp 1D Book Jackets Oblivion.esp ++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76] 1E P1DmenuEscape.esp 1F ShowHideAmulet.esp 20 Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete v1.0.esp 21 DLCHorseArmor.esp 22 DLCOrrery.esp 23 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3] 24 DLCVileLair.esp 25 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] 26 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 27 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] 28 DLCSpellTomes.esp ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] 29 AyleidFiringa.esp 2A Thieves Arsenal.esp 2B StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp 2C XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp 2D Armamentium female.esp 2E Slof's Horses Base.esp 2F Slof's Extra Horses.esp 30 DLCThievesDen.esp 31 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] 32 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4] 33 ExnemRuneskulls.esp ++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9] 34 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp 35 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.69] 36 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] 37 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] ++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9] 38 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp 39 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9] 3A Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp ++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9] 3B Oblivion WarCry EV.esp 3C FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9] 3D Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34] 3E ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.3] 3F FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2] 40 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9] 41 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b1] 42 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b1] ++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c] 43 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c] 44 TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c] 45 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c] 46 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c] ++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9] 47 FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9] 48 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9] 49 TIE In.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - Cobl.esp [Version 1.2b] 4A TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - RealSwords.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - MMM Craft.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 1.2b] 4B Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 0.18] ++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.0] 4C OOO-Armor.esp 4D KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp [Version 1.2] ++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] 4E Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01] 4F AlchemistsCave-COBL.esp 50 Artifacts.esp ++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 0.20] 51 eyja.esp 52 Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp 53 za_bankmod.esp 54 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 55 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] 56 DLCFrostcrag.esp 57 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] 58 Knights.esp 59 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9] ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp [Version 3.7b1] ++ TIE In - Knights.esp [Version 1.2b] 5A Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1] 5B CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1] 5C Damarask.esp [Version 1.02] 5D TOTF.esp 5E Blood&Mud.esp 5F FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9] ++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9] 60 Unofficial Patches & Refurbish - ALL.esp 61 mythsandlegends.esp 62 bartholm.esp 63 Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp [Version 1.1.0] 64 reopenGates.esp 65 JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp ++ FCOM_FighterGUnited.esp ++ FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9] 66 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] 67 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] 68 Birthsigns Expanded.esp [Version 2.] 69 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00] ++ 300 Feudal Empire.esp 6A Quest Award Leveling SI.esp 6B Quest Award Leveller.esp ++ Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp ++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp ++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp ++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp ++ TIE In - TOTF.esp ++ TIE In - B&M.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - DLCOrrery.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - DLCThievesDen.esp [Version 1.2b] ++ TIE In - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 1.2b] 6C The Lost Spires.esp 6D RealisticForceMedium.esp 6E SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89] 6F SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86] ++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80] ++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89] ++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89] ++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86] 70 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80] ++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70] ++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84] ++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83] 71 MidasSpells.esp 72 EnchantmentRestore.esp 73 Enchantment and Spellmaking improvment - FCOM & SM.esp ++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp 74 StealthOverhaul.esp 75 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp ++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86] 76 Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp 77 Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp 78 Kobu's Personality Enhancer.esp 79 Kobu's 3x Slower Skills Mod.esp 7A Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp [Version 1.0.1] ++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76] ++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.76] 7B ElaborateEyes.esp 7C Beautiful People.esp 7D CM Partners.esp 7E DremoraCompanion.esp 7F MRP - Cant Equip Item.esp 80 MRP - Horse stabled outside gate.esp 81 MRP - Loading area.esp 82 MRP - Not enough charge.esp 83 MRP - You find nothing of use.esp ++ _No__persistant_enchantment_glow_fix-1843.esp ++ Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp ++ Detect Life Shader [New].esp ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53] 84 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01] 85 Bashed Patch, 0.esp ++ CybBPcompatibility.esp ++ Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp 86 Streamline 3.1.esp

http://wrye.ufrealms.net/Wrye%20Bash.html

It means type {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}} into the description, and using wyrebash rebuild the bashed patch and select to import npc faces from that file, and do not activate the esp (the bashed patch will have the graphics in it). If you do not know what wyrebash is, go to http://wrye.ufrealms.net/Wrye%20Bash.html. It wil require a signifigant amount of research and experimenting to use the program properly, but it the strongest utility for using multiple incompatable mods together without conflict.

Yeah, me too Dave. I have encountered 2 (except console commandds would not close it) and 4. Maloon, I have a mod to remove the map markers. All three mods affect scripts, but I will be damned if I can make any sense of the scripts. I think I am gonna have to simply combine all three mods into one, somehow. Should be doable, and I will wager if I can put all three together there will be alot of people who want it.

I am gonna itemize the situation, I think it easier. - An oblivion gate northeast of anvil has spawned that I cannot enter. - Main quest is completed. - Mods affecting gates; Continuing Oblivion Gates, Fewer Random Oblivion gates (AlmostNoRandomOBgates.esp), and Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover - There is no icon to select the gate when I cursor over it, clicking does nothing. - Its animation is frozen, and it does not change weather. - It places a map marker when I get close. - It spawns appropriate mobs. - If I remove Continuing Oblivion Gates the gate is closed, and it still places a map marker. One that is never removed. - Removing any/all other mods relating to gates, or other mods that affect scripts that I have tested has no effect on the state of this gate. - If I select it in the console it has a refID, but disabling it has no effect. - I have loaded games as far back as four hours where I was nowhere near the gate, it is there in those games as well. - It is the only gate I have encountered since I completed the main quest. I wanted them rare, but still occuring. - I have tried all combinations of load order for the gate mods, with and without merging. No difference. - I have travelled far from the gate, waited three days, and gone back. So. If I can make it work properly, which will likely fix the rest, great. If I can get rid of it, ok. If I can remove it and the map marker, good. Ideally, I would like to understand what happened. Thanks for any and all feedback. Edit - Dammit, I am a knucklehead. This was supposed to be posted in Mod Troubleshooting. If anyone would care to move this topic...?

Thanks dev, tried that with no luck. Pawn, the journal I refer to is his fathers with the truth of his origins. Sigh.... any other ideas guys? Edit - OK. So if I hand over the journal, talk to the broad, then I can challenge him. But I had wanted to fight him.... guess I will just have to do it the sissy way now. I got the journal a looooong time ago. Consoling that quest done does not help. Gonna keep a save here though, incase someone knows how to keep the journal AND fight the grey prince.

Tried that. Currently no option. If I give him the journal he still says nothing.