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If you were suddenly to believe this article you have pulled up, then seem you have changed your perspective that it wasn't just some protest. Either that or you are just cherry picking info from this article just to try to fit your personal narrative. There is nothing mentioned in this article that claims it wasn't an insurrection. Just because there was no central coordination doesn't suddenly make it some conspiracy when calling it was it is. By definition an insurrection is a derivative for insurgency. This is an accurate way to describe an attack on our capital and the constitution it stands for. A "Riot" and "mob" would be equally correct to describe what happened on the grounds. But the moment those people violently forced into the capital building it was an attack and at the very least an insurrection to not only disrupt our government by force but also harm or kill our elected officials. The FBI already had evidence that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys had premeditated the attack before January 6th. This was all discovered months ago. It's been estimated that there was around at least 10,000 people storming the ground of the capital that day and that is being generous. Even if only 5-10% of those rioters were the only bad actors in this event, that's still a sizable amount of people that actively planned to attack our government and everyone else who followed their lead is just as guilty. Just because their plan was bad and they had no real end game to what ever they wanted to accomplish doesn't dismiss that this was an assault on our democracy. Even if you are still not able to wrap your head around all this and some how feel you are right and everyone else is wrong. I can do the exact same thing and say this.... It was an insurrection! Saying otherwise is just a conspiracy!

Yet I doubt anyone of them put any large amounts of money betting on it as simply being just a peaceful protest. If you are still unclear about it being planned you only need to look at over the hundreds of public social media post by the same people who violently forced into the capital that day and have all been arrested and charged. Whether they were serious about it or not, they still followed through to what they posted. It might not have been scant but it certainly was premeditated.

That's a ridiculous assumption. Anytime there is violence, looting, destruction of property, etc... it's no longer considered a protest it's a riot and I never argued otherwise. The moment hundreds of people violently stormed into the capital building it became an insurrection, yet a failed one. You can't deny that what happened on January 6th wasn't some planned assault. This wasn't something that spontaneously/organically happened. Trump all the way to Right-wing media platforms kept brainwashing their viewers into thinking that the election was illegitimate for weeks on end without any evidence. Edit: When I was editing my post it seemed to have glitched out and copied it 3 times

It would seem you are confounding perception over the state of things as they actually exist. There is zero reason to empathize with those who would even consider what happened on January 6th as just a protest. I have met several Republican staffers who were working inside the Capital building while those so called "Protesters" violently broke inside threatening to not only harm but threaten to kill our elected officials as well as they tried to beat down anyone in their way. They would claim your "reality" as not only false but they would call you a complete idiot for suggesting they were simply just "protesters". Those "fellow country men" broke in for the sole purpose to disrupt the certification of our current President and undermine our democracy by disenfranchising millions upon millions of voters. Terrorists can totally be "fellow country men" you only need to look back at people like "Timothy McVeigh". Also you don't need to be someone who actually succeeds in a terrorist attempt to be considered a "terrorist". The January 6th insurrection attempt could have been worse and there would be a completely different conversation about this if those "Protesters" actually made their way to "Mike Pence" and violently lynched him or anyone else in Congress. I wouldn't doubt we would be living in a completely different country today if they would have succeeded. Totally looks like just a "protest" huh? I am just some left wing liberal who has others think for me instead of thinking for myself so no reason to believe anything I say right?

It would seem you are confounding perception over the state of things as they actually exist. There is zero reason to empathize with those who would even consider what happened on January 6th as just a protest. I have met several Republican staffers who were working inside the Capital building while those so called "Protesters" violently broke inside threatening to not only harm but threaten to kill our elected officials as well as they tried to beat down anyone in their way. They would claim your "reality" as not only false but they would call you a complete idiot for suggesting they were simply just "protesters". Those "fellow country men" broke in for the sole purpose to disrupt the certification of our current President and undermine our democracy by disenfranchising millions upon millions of voters. Terrorists can totally be "fellow country men" you only need to look back at people like "Timothy McVeigh". Also you don't need to be someone who actually succeeds in a terrorist attempt to be considered a "terrorist". The January 6th insurrection attempt could have been worse and there would be a completely different conversation about this if those "Protesters" actually made their way to "Mike Pence" and violently lynched him or anyone else in Congress. I wouldn't doubt we would be living in a completely different country today if they would have succeeded. Totally looks like just a "protest" huh? I am just some left wing liberal who has others think for me instead of thinking for myself so no reason to believe anything I say right?

It would seem you are confounding perception over the state of things as they actually exist. There is zero reason to empathize with those who would would even consider what happened on January 6th as just a protest. I have met several Republican staffers who were working inside the Capital building while those so called "Protesters" violently broke inside threatening to not only harm but threaten to kill our elected officials as well as they tried to beat down anyone in their way. They would claim your "reality" as not only false but they would call you a complete idiot for suggesting they were simply just "protesters". Those "fellow country men" broke in for the sole purpose to disrupt the certification of our current President and undermine our democracy by disenfranchising millions upon millions of voters. Terrorists can totally be "fellow country men" you only need to look back at people like "Timothy McVeigh". Also you don't need to be someone who actually succeeds in a terrorist attempt to be considered a "terrorist". The January 6th insurrection attempt could have been worse and there would be a completely different conversation about this if those "Protesters" actually made their way to "Mike Pence" and violently lynched him or anyone else in Congress. I wouldn't doubt we would be living in a completely different country today if they would have succeeded. Totally looks like just a "protest" huh? I am just some left wing liberal who has others think for me instead of thinking for myself so no reason to believe anything I say right?

You live in a complete bubble if you think it was just some protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack

If I am not mistaken the last time our country ever had a civil war was back in 1860's. It was over the economics of slavery and the political control of that system over states' rights. The rebels lost that fight. History obviously hasn't been too kind to those that violently rebel against our government. You only need to look at the January 6th insurrection attempt at the Capital. There is currently 600+ people and counting still who are being arrested and/or charged for this assault against our democracy and the constitution it stands for. If history has anything to say about those who violently rebel against the government, it's never been a winning fight.

You were making sense until this nonsense. Of course. Until I got to that point, you could delude yourself into believing it wasn't you and your tribe destroying the nation and the Constitution, all in a relentless grab for power. Until I got to that point, you could continue to lie to yourself and claim innocence and the purest of motives. Until that point, you were secure in your denials of reality and could cling to the myth of tribal righteousness. Until that point, you felt safe and warm in your deliberate ignorance. But I had to go and speak the truth. A truth you do not like. A truth which undermines your carefully constructed delusions. A truth which was seen around the world and a truth you cannot lie out of existence. A truth which puts the lie to all your sanctimonious and self serving rhetoric. A truth which makes everything you regurgitate from your tribal leader and his propaganda machine ring hollow and false. There is a simple explanation to this. People are just sometimes "thick". No matter what you throw their way it's a fruitless effort to try to convince them otherwise. It's easier to just let people believe what they want then to point out the obvious flaws in their reasonings. Sometimes you are better off debating a wall then waste your time debating people who every other post broadly seems to blame things on "left wing liberals". Edit: Unlike trying to debate merits on petty forum topics I have actually been quite active as recently in my local area and was able to help register over 1000 new voters in my state to help combat the new voter restriction laws they have recently implemented. If My state is going to suddenly implement new laws making it harder for people to vote the only way to combat this is to actually be proactive to combat my state trying to shrink the electorate. As of date where I live it's a strong conservative leaning state where there will be a possibility of flipping my district if I am able to keep this up till the midterm election. For me this is an exciting time.

While I was reading some of the latest headlines in the news I ran across a few articles which headlined Trump's recent rally in Alabama. Trump held a rally In Cullman, Alabama despite the state declaring a Covid-19 Coronavirus Emergency. Alabama is one of the few states with a serious problem when it comes to the vaccinated and refusal to wear masks. Without stating the obvious about what Trump might have spoken about at this rally, the one thing that did stand out to me was Trump's sudden encouragement to his supporters to get vaccinated. Trump actually recommended to take the vaccine. With much surprise this is the 1st time ever Trump has ever been booed by his own supporters while speaking at one of his rallies. Alabama has an extremely low count of people who have been fully vaccinated in that state with only around 35% of it's population. It's only a matter of time before the death rate starts to spike in this state due to Covid because hospitals in this state are already well over the limits for care. Most COVID-19 deaths in the country are now among unvaccinated people.

You do realize I was being impartial and completely debunking the very article you originally sited when you said this.... I guess now you don't believe the link you originally posted claiming that people who have PHD's and high education levels are less likely to get the vaccine? I was just simply pointing out that their site is completely misleading. I never claimed to believe Carnegie Mellon University research in the 1st place either. This is going back to root cause of a lack of "Critical Thinking". I guess it never occurred to you to actually visit the Carnegie Mellon University site and instead came to your conclusion that "people with phd's and higher education levels are less likely to get the vaccine." just because you read it on unherd.com Then when I pointed how misleading that website is and then refer to the actual Carnegie Mellon University conclusions made from their official website from the very research they did it suddenly no longer fit the narrative you were trying to point out and now you obviously don't accept it. But I will agree with you on one thing, this is a pointless argument. Because no matter how much information is thrown at you, as long as it doesn't fit a narrative you can accept you just going to reject it anyways. Because I am just some left wing liberal who has others think for me instead of thinking for myself.

“What's concerning is there is a subset of the population that's got strong levels of hesitancy, as in refusal to take the vaccine, not potential concern about it, and the size of that group isn’t changing,” - Robin Mejia, who helped conduct the research from Carnegie Mellon University and the University of Pittsburgh to help identify groups hesitant about COVID-19 Vaccine. In their findings they stress there is a huge difference between levels of hesitancy and complete refusal. Robin Mejia manages the Statistics and Human Rights Program at the Center for Human Rights Science and holds a special faculty appointment in the Department of Statistics and Data Science. Maybe you should hit up Mejia and tell her what the definition of hesitancy is because your definition doesn't seem to be a clear factor in their research.

Here is the thing that is most misleading is the fact although this info you are sharing is stressing hesitancy, it's not a very reliable source of information alone. Because while people who have PHd's have a higher hesitancy this does not mean they aren't still getting vaccinated. Even I was hesitant about getting vaccinated but I still went in and got a shot when I still could. If you dive deeper into the actual Carnegie Mellon University site, They give a lot more info about the actual research. As an example there is a difference between those who are hesitant and those that just down right refuse. https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html From this article above you can do more research from it by searching on the actual methods each person used when they conducted it between January and May. But who you going to believe? A site that is reporting on a graph done by Carnegie Mellon University or the actual Carnegie Mellon University site and their conclusions? I guess some might say neither.

This is exactly the cause. The problem is lies travel faster then any truth and there are way too many people who will believe anything as long as it fits a narrative they can accept.

That is just your opinion. Thankfully that's not the opinion of the masses in America because Trump not President anymore. Right now Trump's popularity is at an all time low even him being out of office. He left the Presidency in disgrace, twice impeached, broke the long standing tradition of a peaceful transition of power. At the time he left office his approve was below 35% and had the highest disapprove of any president in the last few decades and he was only in office for one Term. If Trump wanted to improve his popularity he would need to lay low for a few years for his approval to ever go up and that's not going to happen because he is a complete narcissist that craves attention. Make no mistake Trump might still be popular among Hardcore Republicans but that's not enough. Moderate voters are disgusted by the man and it shows in polls. It's a delusional at best to think Trump could ever be elected again considering his current state of mind. The guy can't even speak coherently anymore. Right now his speech sounds worse then some Crack addicts I have met on the streets asking for loose change. If the Republican Party does make Trump their champion nominee for 2024, something worse then what has happened recently would have to transpire for anyone to even consider about voting Trump back into office who doesn't just blindly follow his lead already. I live in a predominantly conservative state, most of my conservative neighbors wouldn't dare to vote for Trump again after what happened on January 6th. The GOP will need to find a new Champion if they really want to win back the White House next cycle.