will give it a try and see what happens ... thanx for input on this .. will update after see what happens. Remember someone talking on some forum about i think swf files and how they can mess up the game also, ever heard anything on that? just so strange that even with all disabled still can not create a new player/character ... something got added somewhere that is doing this just wish could find it also and trace back to what caused it. Oh and the issue with settlers disappearing and reappearing caused by 1.6, well with me it isn't settlers doing the later it is cats ... they disappear alright but at my feet cats keep popping in ....