Weird lighting bug

[dantesoul]

I'm having some type of weird lighting glitch with MOO. I have a few mods with it but I disabled most of those that seem to deal with lighting and nothing changed.

Anyway, here is the problem. In the IC Arboretum and in some outdoors cells, the game will just light up for no reason. I will be walking around in a naturally dark region (I play with Real lights all natural) and in some places, the game will just light up like there's a spotlight in the sky or something. For example this is what happens after loading the game: https://pasteboard.co/K5RRoHh.bmp (it's supposed to be darker than this with real lights I just messed up the screenshot I think)

And a few seconds afterwards : https://pasteboard.co/K5RQRqC.bmp

 

As I said, I disabled the mods that deal with lighting and the issue stayed. I disabled Maskar's oblivion Overhaul but couldn't load the save without it, so I had to restart and run to the IC Arboretum and wait there until night time to see if the issue still existed. It didn't but I had to restart and go there and all that so I'm not sure if that's why or if MOO is the problem.

Same thing happens in some wilderness areas. This is driving me crazy, any idea how to fix it or what the problem even is? I mean it happens gradually after I reload so WTF is happening here?

Anyway, here's my load order:

 

 

 

00 Oblivion.esm

01 Better Cities Resources.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.38]
03 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.5.11]
04 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.8b1]
05 BetterMusicSystem.esm
06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.74]
07 CustomSpellIcons.esm
08 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
09 Jog_X_Mod.esm
0A Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
0B Oblivifall Master File.esm [Version 1.2]
0C TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0D A_Bloody_Mess.esm
0E Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.73]
0F Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.5.6b]
10 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.9a]
++ HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp
11 DLCHorseArmor.esp
12 DLCOrrery.esp
** DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
13 DLCVileLair.esp
** DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.11]
14 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
** DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
15 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
16 DLCThievesDen.esp
** DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.15]
17 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
18 DLCFrostcrag.esp
19 Knights.esp
1A Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.8]
1B LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.7]
1C ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp [Version 6.0.1]
** All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.38]
** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.5.10]
1D SnusDungeons.esp
1E Better Dungeons.esp
1F Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
20 OOOShiveringIsles.esp
** SnusDungeons - BD patch.esp
21 Thieves Arsenal.esp
22 Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp [Version 1.43]
23 Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1]
** All Natural.esp [Version 1.38]
24 GOSH.esp
++ GOSH - All Natural Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
25 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.8b1]
26 AliveWaters.esp
27 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90b]
28 Crowded Roads Advanced less crowded.esp [Version 1.3]
29 Oblivifall - Losing My Religion KOTN.esp [Version 1.0]
2A Travelers of Cyrodiil.esp
++ Generic Name Overhaul.esp
++ Cobl Tweaks - OOO Mergeable.esp [Version 1.72]
++ Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
2B BRG Food And Ingredients.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ kuertee MMM OnLoadCS disabled hmf effects.esp
++ All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3]
** All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.38]
2C Basic Primary Needs.esp [Version 6.3]
++ Cobl Patch - Hunger Tongue.esp
2D Duke Patricks - Basic Alchemic Immersion.esp [Version 2.1]
2E Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp [Version 4]
2F Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp
30 Dynamic DLT.esp [Version 1.0.5]
31 Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.1.1]
32 Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.32 CT.esp
++ FasterHorses.esp
33 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
34 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 5.3.2]
35 Idle Dialogue.esp [Version 1.3]
36 kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp
37 kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.8b1]
38 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
39 Reading Takes Time.esp
3A Real Time Lockpicking Minigames.esp
** ScriptEffectSubduer.esp
3B See You Sleep DLL.esp
3C SM Combat Hide.esp [Version 1.2]
++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_NoSpellLights.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.90]
++ _No_ persistant enchantment glow fix-1843.esp
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.90]
3D SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.90]
3E Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
3F Syc_AtHomeAlchemy_No_Bounty_v2.esp
++ Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp
++ Weapon Improvement Project.esp [Version 1.9]
++ Hear-Me-Not.esp [Version 1.02]
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
40 LegionInteractAnims.esp
41 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ Travellers4MMMHostileFactions.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c]
42 Basic Personal Hygiene.esp [Version 3.0]
43 A Bloody Mess - Bloody Fights.esp
** Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp
44 Mages Guild Quests.esp
45 Extinguish the Lights.esp
46 Steve - Thieves Guils HQ.esp
47 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
48 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
49 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp
** Cava Obscura - SI.esp
4A Fighters Guild Quests.esp
4B Roads of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.0]
4C TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
4D GuildAdvancement.esp
4E Shop Visitors.esp
4F Alternative Beginnings.esp [Version 1.4.6]
50 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1]
51 thievery.esp
52 CyrodiilTransportationNetwork2.esp
53 LTDVampireOverhaul.esp
54 Crowded Cities Cyrodiil.esp
55 Axebane_Hunters20.esp
56 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b7]
57 Imperial Bounty Hunter Quest EV.esp
58 Bandit Hideouts.esp
59 ND's Heartland Hovel.esp
5A Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp [Version 1.1]
5B Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9.3]
5C Binoculars.esp
5D za_bankmod.esp
++ Cobl Patch - MMM Gems and Gem Dust.esp
5E Portable Campsite.esp
5F Cover yourself when you sleep.esp
60 Duke Patricks - Basic Hypothermia.esp [Version 3.1]
61 Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp [Version 7.3.5]
++ Duke Patricks - Combat Archery Patch.esp
62 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.3]
63 pmRealTimeInteractions.esp
64 pmCrimeHandler.esp
65 Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.5]
66 Palace Improvement.esp
67 __thermae.esp
** 00 Realistic Player Speech.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 88]
++ Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 88]
++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 88]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.38]
** Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
++ TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp
bashed patch
MOO

Edited June 10, 2021 by dantesoul

[Pellape]

I do not think it is MOO to start with as it shouldn't do anything with light as far as I know but the best you can do is of course to ask Maskar himself as he is active in his threads and at PM's but make a post here and see what he say. I have used MOO for a year now and I do not have that problem at all and I use it together with WAC

 

When it comes to mods that changes light in any way, you do use:

• Extinguish the Lights.esp
• Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.32 CT.esp
• All Natural

So deactivate those to start with and see what happens...

[dantesoul]

I do not think it is MOO to start with as it shouldn't do anything with light as far as I know but the best you can do is of course to ask Maskar himself as he is active in his threads and at PM's but make a post here and see what he say. I have used MOO for a year now and I do not have that problem at all and I use it together with WAC

 

When it comes to mods that changes light in any way, you do use:

• Extinguish the Lights.esp
• Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.32 CT.esp
• All Natural

So deactivate those to start with and see what happens...

 

 

Thanks for your reply. Yeah I tried that and tried it again now. No change at all, the Arboretum is still lit up. I'm not sure what folders deal with lighting, or why this is happening only in some place or why this is even happening. This is maddening really

Edited June 11, 2021 by dantesoul

[Oblivionaddicted]

Keep disabling other mods and you should find the culprit.

 

After this you will probably need just a few tweaks with TES4Edit to fix it.

[dantesoul]

Ok I screwed around with this a bit and at this point I'm not sure this has anything to do with the mods. I still don't understand what is going on....

 

So I got another save where I disabled and reenabled mods to see what would happen. I got to the Arboretum and everything is looking alright. With All Natural-Real lights on it is as dark as it is supposed to be. So I saved my game, loaded all the mods from the screwed up save, and reloaded the saves to see what the hell is going on.

 

1) If I load the non screwed up save first (it's also at the arboretum) and then load the screwed up save, all of a sudden the screwed up save isn't screwed up anymore, no washed out colors, everything dark exactly as it is supposed to be.

 

2) If I load the screwed up save first, it stays screwed up and if I try to load the non-screwed up save afterwards the game simply crashes.

 

3) I loaded the screwed up save, went outside the arboretum and saved. If I load this new save and go to the arboretum, everything is still screwed up/

 

This is without removing or changing any mods. Weirdest thing ever. So I can load a non-screwed up save, reload after it a screwed up save and somehow the problem is fixed? What the hell is even happening here? Anybody knows?