CTD when killing enemy with power attack

[welsher]

So for seemingly no reason my Skyrim has decided to crash to desktop without any form of error message when I kill an enemy with a power attack.

 

This doesn't happen every time I kill an enemy with a power attack - I can play for hours with no issues, but power attacks arbitrarily cause the game to crash. I have searched around on Google and used the filter on the iste but I couldn't find this precise issue.

 

I have 115 mods installed (many of these plugins are just multiple ESPs for the same mod, like SkyRe and, UFO, RND etc) and I personally singled out ones I thought could be causing this issue but I can't seem to pin point it. At first I thought it was a mod called Deadly Mutilation but I removed that and the issue seems to persist. I'm thinking it's just a VRAM issue but I am not tech savvy at all so I couldn't confirm that - I don't know whether this issue is indicative of a VRAM problem.

 

Here's my mod list;

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

JSwords.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

SPIKE.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

FixedEyeAdaption.esp

Chesko_Frostfall.esp

better dynamic snow.esp

Morning Fogs.esp

Supreme Storms.esp

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp

Dark Dungeons for Dawnguard.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

hqsnow.esp

Immersive Brigands.esp

Immersive Dawnguard.esp

Immersive Dragonborn.esp

Immersive Factions.esp

Immersive Mercenaries.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

Immersive Werewolves.esp

Book Covers Skyrim.esp

Book Covers Dawnguard.esp

Book Covers Hearthfire.esp

real glaciers.esp

StormcloakArmorVarietyOPTION1.esp

Footprints.esp

Footprints - Ash.esp

WetandCold.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

SkyUI.esp

iHUD.esp

Black Mage Armor.esp

Cloaks.esp

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

MageBackpack_byTumbajamba.esp

nordicrangerarmor.esp

RobedSteelPlateArmor.esp

SkaalHeavyArmor.esp

dr_bandolier.esp

dr_bandolierdg.esp

SkyRe_Main.esp

SkyRe_Combat.esp

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp

SkyRe_Survivalism.esp

Hearthfire Cheat Chests.esp

Immersive Events.esp

PumpingIron.esp

Solitude Military Enhancement.esp

WindhelmMilitaryEnhancement.esp

AchieveThat.esp

dynamic fires.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Headtracking.esp

LegionArmorVariety.esp

OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp

PalistovSpinningArrows.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

Spells Cast Light.esp

Helgen Reborn.esp

RealisticRoomRental.esp

RRR_Hearthfire-Patch.esp

sos - the dungeons.esp

SoS - The Wilds.esp

sos - civilization.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

ELFX - NoTaverns.esp

ELFXEnhancer.esp

dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

SSAPBWK.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

dovahkiinrelax.esp

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

HothFollower.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp

UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp

SkyRe_Races.esp

TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp

TTYM - Frostfall Module.esp

purewaters.esp

RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp

kerplunk.esp

ReProccer.esp

AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

Dark Dungeons for Dragonborn.esp

ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

ELFX - Exteriors.esp

ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI Dawnguard&Dragonborn.esp

HarvestingAnimation.esp

Flowing Cape.esp

BoundArmors.esp

As you can see i'm using quite a few graphical mods (I am using an ENB too) so this makes me think it's a VRAM issue especially considering my GPU is only a 460 with 750 something mb of VRAM.

Aside from this issue my game seems perfectly stable, running at a constant 40 fps (50 - 60 indoors). It is strange though how it just suddenly started happening yesterday (I thought it was a one off at first - it's only today that i've noticed it's persistence and tested it). I can't think of any mods I might've installed that would change that but here are some of the more recent installs;

Flowing Cape.esp (today)

BoundArmors.esp (today)

HothFollower.esp (yesterday)

Spells Cast Light (today)

SkaalHeavyArmor.esp (today)

Specs:

8GB RAM

i7 2600k @ 3.4 Ghz

GeForce GTX 460

Thanks in advance.

Edited June 13, 2013 by welsher

[NakaTma]

Wow I just got the same issue. From what I can tell, this is caused by Enhance AI. No idea why but I guess every time I do a power move to finish off a enemy that has a two handed weapon it causes a CTD for me. I'm not good with talking to mod authors since I know their always busy doing something. If you could bring this to his attention he might have a solution for it.

[prod80]

has nothing to do with Enhanced AI... enhanced AI has no influence whatsoever on power attacks. Enhanced AI changes enemy timings in attacking you, nothing else.

[NakaTma]

It has to be it. I save in the middle of combat to test this theory. Every time I use a power attack on a two handed weapon enemy (it seems to be the iron battle-axe) I get a instant crash to desktop, even if I'm out in skyrim or in a dungeon. I uninstalled Enhance AI and my game never crashes. I have tested this out multiple times. If you want me to prove it I well make a video on it. I only have two combat mods, and from what I've read they work great together. That is Enhance enemy AI and Deadly combat. I love this combination., it makes Skyrim so much fun, challenging and interesting. I fully respect erkell for creating this awesome mod. I well not play Skyrim without it. (or just find a one kind of like it lol)

so if you have any ideas to what other mods may conflict with this let me know.

[prod80]

There shouldnt be anything conflicting with it... but just to be sure, always try and load AI related mods very low in your load order. I would actually suggest to load all AI related changes at the very end due to the sensitivity and game breaking potential of them. Also Enhanced Enemy AI should be loaded last. It's a very clean mod so it should not cause issues to stuff loaded before it. It uses no scripts whatsoever. If you have NPC related mods, you should definitely not load those after the AI's.

 

You can see in tes5edit it is really only changing timings of enemy attacks, so they don't stand around looking at you being staggered, but simply try and beat the crap out of you as hard and often as they can.

 

But taking your word for it... if it does cause the CTD, you'll need to PM the author with as much information as you can (perhaps video wouldn't be that bad) and have him look into it, in more detail. He should know exactly (wait, that's not possible for anyone to know 35k mods) more or less how his mod interacts with other mods, or what other changes can cause the mod to CTD.

[NakaTma]

Thank you for the ideas. I just got down doing a bet more testing. Now I have a question. Is it normal for Windows to crash when Skyrim crashes?

[prod80]

Nop windows shouldn't crash, but anything is possible.

[NakaTma]

Maybe it's a Performance issue. Too many mods overload my game which overloads my computer. Don't know why that would happen though since I have a beast PC I think anyway

 

AMD FX4100

12GB of RAM

GTX 660 TI Graphics card.

 

I just did some computer maintenance to best I could get it but I still get some performance issues here and there.

[RishikoParanoia]

I have the same problem, CTD while attacking NPCs with two handed weapon.. happens when i sneak behind them and try to assassinate them, but i don't have Enhance AI :X

[camaro_69_327]

I have the same problem, CTD while attacking NPCs with two handed weapon.. happens when i sneak behind them and try to assassinate them, but i don't have Enhance AI :X

To anyone having this problem ( i don't) it would help everyone if you ALL post your load orders as mods NOT in common get ruled out you will all get closer to the mod or combination OF mods that cause this...just sayin.... To the OP ...if i had this problem and your list i would tries these first...

dd - realistic ragdoll force - realistic.esp

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

And or any Skeleton mods.

 

Heck it could be a mod like Achieve That! it has>>>Disarm a specified number of times,. as an Achievement. Not saying that's in any way the culprit...just sayin ya never know.

It can be a ton of things. Best bet since this IS something you can test for. Drop half your mods..test, if still doing it your half the way to finding the Mod! Remove another Half. Rinse and repeat...this is the old way of doing it and it works. As long as your mods get enabled again their is no issue with the Scripts...only uninstalling a mod gives problems.

 

EDIT:MAN i keep falling for these necro threads.....sigh

Edited March 2, 2014 by camaro_69_327