We get so screwed over...

[ilikecheese1337]

 

If you play a character that tries to avoid having their soul ganked you're actually quite limited in what you can actually do. You can't even do the Dragonborn content seeing as to how you have to sell your soul to Hermaeas Mora just to kill Miraak.

 

All you do is do Herma-Mora a favour. You never bind your soul to it, you just make a transaction. It gives you the Oghma Infinium and calls you its champion for having done it a favour, expecting you to do it further favours for more power, but you're perfectly at liberty to raise your middle finger and go off to do crosswords. Mora's modus operandi is more subtle than all of those "give me your immortal soul" pacts, which tend to leave the Prince in question in a position of fighting it out with a load of other Aedra and Daedra.

[black06]

what about the college of winterhold

[Urtel]

 

All you do is do Herma-Mora a favour. You never bind your soul to it, you just make a transaction. It gives you the Oghma Infinium and calls you its champion for having done it a favour, expecting you to do it further favours for more power, but you're perfectly at liberty to raise your middle finger and go off to do crosswords. Mora's modus operandi is more subtle than all of those "give me your immortal soul" pacts, which tend to leave the Prince in question in a position of fighting it out with a load of other Aedra and Daedra.

 

 

Actually its not that simple. HM says, that you can have his knowledge and favor, but this will remain only until Morra likes you. This means at some point dragonborn more likely will be killed by another champion, seeking knowledge and having potential. This may or may not happen, but its not that simple as you say. Not a usual deal with Belethor.

I admit, that you can do what you want, HM wont stop you and will support with endless info. But only until he likes you. Otherwise you will have tentacles coming all through your body.

[ruvuk]

If I played the game like the OP, I'd agree with him 100%.

 

But I'm surprised that anybody thinks that he or she even needs to do all of the ugly quests and quest lines. Or even do any of them, for that matter.

 

When I started the game, I assumed I'd always have a choice. And that was true for a long time--until I got to Markarth and wound up in the Abandoned House with the deadric price who was offering no option but to kill somebody. That pretty much spoiled the game for me. I thought about it awhile and couldn't get past it; if I killed the guy just to continue on with the game, I'd no longer find much fun in playing the game. So I killed my guy.

 

I started a new game with Skyrim and never set foot in Markarth. And I've been careful (maybe paranoid, I dunno) about getting involved with anything that looked like it might wind up ugly. Much later, I was told about some mods that allowed the player to end the ugly quests honorably (3 of them, anyway), so I'll probably wind up trying some of those quests when they show up in my Journal again.

 

It's interesting to me to hear players discussing how things might turn out in the afterlife if the dragonborn were to wind up with commitments to multiple evil daedra or to both good and bad daedra. Sort of like you guys are playing a different game. <lol>

 

I sometimes wonder if there's a whole boatload of stuff that I know nothing about because I don't want to get involved in the ugly quests. (I find amazing things sometimes when I'm looking for an item in the Creation Kit!)

[Urtel]

 

It's interesting to me to hear players discussing how things might turn out in the afterlife if the dragonborn were to wind up with commitments to multiple evil daedra or to both good and bad daedra. Sort of like you guys are playing a different game. <lol>

 

Absolutely agree with you. Had the same problem in Markarth. After visiting Boethia shrine (i spell that right?) i just said "kill one of my followers? Nah thanks, i should not mess with this."

Speaking of different daedra worshipping. I guess if you promise your soul to several evil princes, they will somehow split it, or may be torn in pieces. That sounds fair for someone, trying to get as much power at any cost. But i wonder if it is possible in the lore, to split souls. Never heard about it.

 

EDIT: Okay, so in different topic guys gave me a hint, that none of usual mortal stuff affects the scrolls-chosen champion. I wonder, if this means, that your soul is bounded with a scroll itself. Which means it cant be taken, unless the scroll is destroyed.

Edited July 30, 2013 by Urtel

[TheVampireDante]

 

Which means it cant be taken, unless the scroll is destroyed.

 

 

The scrolls can't be destroyed.

[Urtel]

 

The scrolls can't be destroyed.

 

Thats exactly what i meant :)

[Anska]

Dark Brotherhood and Sithis I could understand, but the Thieves Guild..? I can't imagine someone that wanted to be a thief would want to serve someone for eternity playing cave guard.

 

I think, there's a misconception here; you don't spend an eternity playing cave guard. You play cave guard until Nocturnal considers your debt repayed, whereupon you will be allowed to enter the Evergloom and become one with the shadows which govern the luck of all thieves. (This is, what happens to Gallus's spirit at the end of the TG questline.) In other words, you will eventually become a sort of patron spirit for all living thieves. I don't think, that is such a bad afterlife option for a dedicated thief, is it?

 

Apart from that I agree with you. However I like the idea that you can either keep your integrety or get the nice toys, but rarely are allowed to have both. The only thing that annoys me about the daedric quests is, that many don't offer you an option to defy the Daedric Princes. You mentioned it for Nocturnal, but it bothered me much more in the case of Molag Bal and Boethia. I didn't want to kill that Vigilant of Stendarr, I even tried to put calm spells on him, hoping Molag Bal's patience would eventually run dry or I could somehow lockpick myself out of the house again, but in the end I had no choice but to kill him. Similairly I thought killing Boethia's faithfuls and using one of them as a Dead Thrall to activate the shrine would have a lovely ring of poetic justice to it - alas, you aren't allowed to do that.

Edited August 1, 2013 by Anska

[justwannaddl]

Considering the number of dragon souls you have, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that you'll still have plenty of souls left after selling one or two. Mora though is a greedy and fickle one so the Dragonborne's future doesn't look too bright. Better than being a butt buddy to Molag though.

 

The big thing to consider though is that all this will have to happen after the dragonborne passes away. Considering the kind of connections the dragonborne has, his life can go on indefinitely in one form or another. Lesser characters have done the same. More likely though, I imagine he/she will die a violent death; most likely by the tentacle of Hermaeas Mora after he eventually finds someone more interesting.

[Rennn]

 

One of the ways this game is realistic, I think, is that if you are a moral person with a code of honor, you are just not gonna get all the titles and toys.

 

 

I agree. This is always my point in all these threads. Why would you even want the Mace of Molag Bal (etc.) if you don't want to serve the Daedric Lord in some form? Just like in real life, morality will ensure that you don't get certain personal rewards. It's funny how people want to play a shining paladin, but they don't want to give up anything for their morality.

Edited August 4, 2013 by Rennn