Company of Heroes 2: Removed from sale in Russia.

[vendur]

 

Who controls the American army today? So all the military servicemen are "democrats"? really. I know a few marine bars where you can take this incredible bit of logic and try it out on them.

 

 

 

They were fighting for their existence? Ya right. is that why in many parts of the soviet union the German army were seen as liberators? You are talking about the soviet union, right? the one invading nearly every country touching its borders? You obviously know little of history, and what you do "think" you know smells a little fish and chippy.

 

The U.S army does the bidding of the government of the day, the German army was doing the bidding of their government which (correct me if I'm wrong) was a Nazi one. You also seem to be confusing liberation with slaughtering because that's exactly what they did, I know plenty about history and I've also heard it from the horses mouth, we had two ex German servicemen living near us as a child and both used talks in schools to tell of the horrors they'd seen. My grandfather also spoke to German troops fleeing west to escape the advancing Soviets, he heard first hand from them what happened. As I said the Soviets done some awful things themselves but you need to put it into context, portraying the Germans as the victims like this game does is ridiculous.

 

 

 

I can't really find any coherent thought in your post. Supreme commander of the US military right now is Obama. he's a democrat, and left-wing socialist one at that. That does not mean that the rank and file of the US army is democrat, or even if a soldier happens to be a democrat that they agree in whole or in part with democratic party or Obama's own version of their political party. according to you, even those people sent off to concentration camps would have been equally "nazi" as the ones sending sending them there. You use a broad brush because it simplifies things for you. But history is rarely so simple.

 

 

i don't know what you mean by "portraying the Germans as victims". How and when did I do that? Be very specific. You've done this multiple times now, too. First with your claims of someone supposedly saying "nazis were the good guys", which no one said, and now this.

Edited August 19, 2013 by vendur

[Zewp]

What's happening in Russia now is not the fault of those who gave their lives to save it from Germany, I find it rather strange you don't have a problem with a game that portrays Nazis as the good guys.

 

 

Why do you keep setting up strawmen? I never said I was fine with the game and I never said the people who died in service of Russia had anything to do with what's currently happening. I'm saying that there seems to be a double-standard here. The russian government stomps all over human rights and not a peep is made. A videogame developer stomps over Russian history, and suddenly everyone is up in arms and it's the apocalypse.

 

Seeing as you seem to have trouble understanding, I'll illustrate it in pictures for you.

 

Russian response to government stomping on human rights.

 

http://i42.tinypic.com/2jev80m.jpg

 

Russian response to Relic stomping on their history.

 

http://i44.tinypic.com/2pyp3ih.jpg

 

Now kindly stop misrepresenting my arguments and stop putting words in my mouth.

Edited August 19, 2013 by Zewp

[JimboUK]

 

Who controls the American army today? So all the military servicemen are "democrats"? really. I know a few marine bars where you can take this incredible bit of logic and try it out on them.

 

They were fighting for their existence? Ya right. is that why in many parts of the soviet union the German army were seen as liberators? You are talking about the soviet union, right? the one invading nearly every country touching its borders? You obviously know little of history, and what you do "think" you know smells a little fish and chippy.

 

Hello Vendur, welcome to the club, your statement expounds what I was addressing, although I see Jim's point as well. He seems to think that because there Government was a Nationalist Socialist one that the soldiers were Nazis by extension of nationalization. As if they somehow agreed with what their Government was doing to everybody else.

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't say anything of the sort, I said they were doing the bidding of their nazi leaders which is exactly what they were doing.

 

 

 

Who controls the American army today? So all the military servicemen are "democrats"? really. I know a few marine bars where you can take this incredible bit of logic and try it out on them.

 

 

 

They were fighting for their existence? Ya right. is that why in many parts of the soviet union the German army were seen as liberators? You are talking about the soviet union, right? the one invading nearly every country touching its borders? You obviously know little of history, and what you do "think" you know smells a little fish and chippy.

 

The U.S army does the bidding of the government of the day, the German army was doing the bidding of their government which (correct me if I'm wrong) was a Nazi one. You also seem to be confusing liberation with slaughtering because that's exactly what they did, I know plenty about history and I've also heard it from the horses mouth, we had two ex German servicemen living near us as a child and both used talks in schools to tell of the horrors they'd seen. My grandfather also spoke to German troops fleeing west to escape the advancing Soviets, he heard first hand from them what happened. As I said the Soviets done some awful things themselves but you need to put it into context, portraying the Germans as the victims like this game does is ridiculous.

 

 

 

I can't really find any coherent thought in your post. Supreme commander of the US military right now is Obama. he's a democrat, and left-wing socialist one at that. That does not mean that the rank and file of the US army is democrat, or even if a soldier happens to be a democrat that they agree in whole or in part with democratic party or Obama's own version of their political party. according to you, even those people sent off to concentration camps would have been equally "nazi" as the ones sending sending them there. You use a broad brush because it simplifies things for you. But history is rarely so simple.

 

 

i don't know what you mean by "portraying the Germans as victims". How and when did I do that? Be very specific. You've done this multiple times now, too. First with your claims of someone supposedly saying "nazis were the good guys", which no one said, and now this.

 

 

Comprehension isn't your strong point is it? if Obama sends the US army to do something it doesn't make the army democrats, it does however mean they are doing the bidding of a democrat. And yes you said in comparison to the Russians they were the good guys, a statement anyone with any understanding of history would find bizarre.

 

 

What's happening in Russia now is not the fault of those who gave their lives to save it from Germany, I find it rather strange you don't have a problem with a game that portrays Nazis as the good guys.

 

 

Why do you keep setting up strawmen? I never said I was fine with the game and I never said the people who died in service of Russia had anything to do with what's currently happening. I'm saying that there seems to be a double-standard here. The russian government stomps all over human rights and not a peep is made. A videogame developer stomps over Russian history, and suddenly everyone is up in arms and it's the apocalypse.

 

Seeing as you seem to have trouble understanding, I'll illustrate it in pictures for you.

 

Russian response to government stomping on human rights.

 

http://i42.tinypic.com/2jev80m.jpg

 

Russian response to Relic stomping on their history.

 

http://i44.tinypic.com/2pyp3ih.jpg

 

Now kindly stop misrepresenting my arguments and stop putting words in my mouth.

 

 

You gave the impression that it's fine to abuse the memory of these people because of the actions the modern Russian government, again here you're bringing it up. I'll ignore the odd perspective that puts gay rights up there with genocide and instead suggest that....

 

A. The people who fought and died in that war are not responsible for the gangsters currently running Russia.

B. Holding a people responsible for the actions of their government is silly because you know as well as I that the political classes in all counties do what they please, they care not what the people think, vote one lot out and the next lot will come in and carry on as before. I hate the U.S government for its warmongering and fondness of blowing up brown people, do I hate Americans? of course not, there's nothing they can do to stop it.